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  C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2012-10-25 15:11 -0500
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 philo <" philo"@privacy.net> - 2012-10-25 15:57 -0500
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Patrick Scheible <kkt@zipcon.net> - 2012-10-25 14:09 -0700
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-25 15:20 -0700
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> - 2012-10-25 21:27 -0400
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2012-10-25 20:00 -0600
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2012-10-26 08:02 +0100
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2012-10-26 07:58 -0400
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-10-26 07:54 -0500
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2012-10-26 12:58 +0000
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2012-10-27 12:07 -0800
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "dott.Piergiorgio" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2012-10-26 15:24 +0200
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Niklas Karlsson <anksil@yahoo.se> - 2012-10-27 22:21 +0000
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-10-26 20:25 -0400
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-26 20:55 -0700
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012 Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-10-27 06:00 -0700
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012 Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2012-10-29 11:22 +0800
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-10-29 07:50 -0700
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-10-29 22:01 +0000
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 timcaffrey@aol.com (Tim McCaffrey) - 2012-10-31 18:16 +0000
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Nick Spalding <spalding@iol.ie> - 2012-10-31 18:29 +0000
        Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2012-10-31 17:14 -0400
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 luser- -droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-01 19:19 -0700
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Bill Davy" <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> - 2012-11-03 08:18 +0000
    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-09 19:12 -0500
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com> - 2012-11-09 19:47 -0500
        Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-11-10 13:56 +1100
          Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-11-10 00:28 -0600
            Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-11-10 17:48 +1100
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 hormelfree@gmail.com - 2012-11-09 17:27 -0800
      Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2012-11-10 23:42 -0600
        Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 hormelfree@gmail.com - 2012-11-11 06:45 -0800
          Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-11-11 11:17 -0500
            Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-12 12:58 -0500
          Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-13 05:02 -0800
            Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 hormelfree@gmail.com - 2012-11-13 06:57 -0800
              Plonking (was Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012) Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-11-13 20:46 +0000
                Re: Plonking (was Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-13 20:13 -0500
                  Re: Plonking Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-14 02:17 +0000
                    Re: Plonking BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-24 11:19 -0700
                      Re: Plonking Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-24 21:18 +0000
                        Re: Plonking James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-24 20:25 -0500
                          Re: Plonking Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-25 02:23 +0000
                            Re: Plonking James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-24 23:02 -0500
                              Re: Plonking Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-25 13:11 +0000
                                Re: Plonking gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-11-25 14:24 +0000
                                Re: Plonking Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2012-11-25 09:15 -0800
                                  [OT] Re: Plonking Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-11-25 12:32 -0500
                                Re: Plonking James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-25 17:42 -0500
                                  Re: Plonking Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-11-25 23:17 +0000
                                    Re: Plonking "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2012-11-25 20:23 -0500
                                    Re: Plonking Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-26 03:38 -0800
                                Re: Plonking BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-26 07:18 -0700
              Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012 Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-17 07:03 -0800
                Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2012-11-21 18:45 -0500
                  Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012 Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-11-25 05:31 -0800
                    Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2012-11-25 20:14 -0500
        Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP  1931-2012 James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-11 10:43 -0500

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#27920

Tim McCaffrey wrote, in <k6rpt4$s9u$1@USTR-NEWS.TR.UNISYS.COM>
 on Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:16:04 +0000 (UTC):

> In article <k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me>, numerist@aquaporin4.com says...
> >
> >I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He used to 
> >be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and comp.lang.c.  He 
> >had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He was born 
> >in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in Damariscotta, Maine 
> >on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here remembers him and his posts to 
> >Usenet. One of his many accomplishments was writing an article for an early 
> >Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing floating point on the Intel 8080 
> >microprocessor.
> >
> >His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of 
> >his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp 
> >website:
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/8fudn4o
> >
> >His obituary is at:
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/8ahongj
> >
> >I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on Usenet.  I'm 
> >sure many here will mourn his passing.
> 
> While I didn't get any help from C.B., I did appreciate his posts.  I 
> remembered his name from the DDJ article ("Falconer Floating point, 16 bit 
> floating point for the 8080", complete with Trig and Transcendental functions 
> IIRC).  
> 
> He is one of the people I have noticed not posting here, including some other 
> people I have occasionally wondered about: Roland Hutchinson and Frank McCoy 
> for instance (and there was another guy that posted from Barrow, AK, I can't 
> remember his name). 

Floyd Paterson I think.

> I actually live close enough to Roland I could go see 
> one of his "concerts".
> 
> 		- Tim
-- 
Nick Spalding

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#27930

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Nick Spalding wrote:


>> While I didn't get any help from C.B., I did appreciate his posts.  I
>> remembered his name from the DDJ article ("Falconer Floating point, 16 bit
>> floating point for the 8080", complete with Trig and Transcendental functions
>> IIRC).
>>
>> He is one of the people I have noticed not posting here, including some other
>> people I have occasionally wondered about: Roland Hutchinson and Frank McCoy
>> for instance (and there was another guy that posted from Barrow, AK, I can't
>> remember his name).
>
> Floyd Paterson I think.
>
I think that's Floyd Davison or Davidson.  He seems less active to the 
newsgroups in recent years, but I've seen him in the digital photography 
newsgroup in recent months, and I think in one of the Linux newsgroups.
I had the impression he came and went, posting for a bit, then 
disappearing, returning later.

   Michael

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#27950

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 3:11:24 PM UTC-5, Charles Richmond wrote:
> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He used to 
> 
> be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and comp.lang.c.  He 
> 
> had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He was born 
> 
> in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in Damariscotta, Maine 
> 
> on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here remembers him and his posts to 
> 
> Usenet. One of his many accomplishments was writing an article for an early 
> 
> Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing floating point on the Intel 8080 
> 
> microprocessor.
> 
> 
> 
> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of 
> 
> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp 
> 
> website:
> 
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/8fudn4o
> 
> 
> 
> His obituary is at:
> 
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/8ahongj
> 
> 
> 
> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on Usenet.  I'm 
> 
> sure many here will mourn his passing.
> 
> 

Chuck responded to one of my early posts with

    <snipped 400 lines of garbage>

And he was right!

-- 
M Joshua Ryan (lusor-grood)

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#27988

"luser- -droog" <mijoryx@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:a7ce003d-a4d7-4c73-992f-4343875b4d83@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 3:11:24 PM UTC-5, Charles Richmond wrote:
>> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He used 
>> to
>>
>> be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and comp.lang.c.  He
>>
>> had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He was 
>> born
>>
>> in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in Damariscotta, 
>> Maine
>>
>> on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here remembers him and his posts 
>> to
>>
>> Usenet. One of his many accomplishments was writing an article for an 
>> early
>>
>> Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing floating point on the Intel 8080
>>
>> microprocessor.
>>
>>
>>
>> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of
>>
>> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp
>>
>> website:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/8fudn4o
>>
>>
>>
>> His obituary is at:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/8ahongj
>>
>>
>>
>> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on Usenet. 
>> I'm
>>
>> sure many here will mourn his passing.
>>
>>
>
> Chuck responded to one of my early posts with
>
>    <snipped 400 lines of garbage>
>
> And he was right!
>
> -- 
> M Joshua Ryan (lusor-grood)


I wonder if "1987-1989 D.S. Davidson Co., North Haven, CT " ever paid 
royalties on their use of LZW algorithm (patent now lapsed)?

But funnily many of us who started back then had to do many of the same 
things (assemblers, compilers, simulators, running on mainframes, floating 
point packages, FFT, etc).  And the processor changed every few years too. 
Those were the days. 

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#28149

"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote in message
news:k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me...
> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He used
> to be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and comp.lang.c.
> He had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He
> was born in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in
> Damariscotta, Maine on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here
> remembers him and his posts to Usenet. One of his many accomplishments
> was writing an article for an early Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing
> floating point on the Intel 8080 microprocessor.
>
> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of
> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp
> website:
>
> [link]
>
> His obituary is at:
>
> [link]
>
> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on Usenet.  I'm
> sure many here will mourn his passing.
>

Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly captures
the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, and
most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for:

  *PLONK*

As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death.


Rod Pemberton

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#28150

"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote:

>"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote in message
>news:k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me...
>> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He used
>> to be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and comp.lang.c.
>> He had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He
>> was born in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in
>> Damariscotta, Maine on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here
>> remembers him and his posts to Usenet. One of his many accomplishments
>> was writing an article for an early Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing
>> floating point on the Intel 8080 microprocessor.
>>
>> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of
>> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp
>> website:
>>
>> [link]
>>
>> His obituary is at:
>>
>> [link]
>>
>> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on Usenet.  I'm
>> sure many here will mourn his passing.
>>
>
>Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly captures
>the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, and
>most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for:
>
>  *PLONK*
>
>As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death.
>
Yeah, but in death you won't
give a flyin' fahootch.	:-)

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#28155

"Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message 
news:qv8r98tbg9quqerus2fidpg0huivts91ef@4ax.com...
> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote:
>
>>"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote in message
>>news:k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me...
>>> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He 
>>> used
>>> to be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and comp.lang.c.
>>> He had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He
>>> was born in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in
>>> Damariscotta, Maine on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here
>>> remembers him and his posts to Usenet. One of his many accomplishments
>>> was writing an article for an early Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing
>>> floating point on the Intel 8080 microprocessor.
>>>
>>> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of
>>> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp
>>> website:
>>>
>>> [link]
>>>
>>> His obituary is at:
>>>
>>> [link]
>>>
>>> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on Usenet. 
>>> I'm
>>> sure many here will mourn his passing.
>>>
>>
>>Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly captures
>>the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, and
>>most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for:
>>
>>  *PLONK*
>>
>>As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death.
>>
> Yeah, but in death you won't
> give a flyin' fahootch. :-)

Depends on whether there is a hell or not and whether you end up there. 

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#28161

Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:qv8r98tbg9quqerus2fidpg0huivts91ef@4ax.com...
>> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote:
>>
>>> "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He
>>>> used
>>>> to be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and
>>>> comp.lang.c.
>>>> He had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He
>>>> was born in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in
>>>> Damariscotta, Maine on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here
>>>> remembers him and his posts to Usenet. One of his many accomplishments
>>>> was writing an article for an early Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing
>>>> floating point on the Intel 8080 microprocessor.
>>>>
>>>> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of
>>>> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the ClassicCmp
>>>> website:
>>>>
>>>> [link]
>>>>
>>>> His obituary is at:
>>>>
>>>> [link]
>>>>
>>>> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on
>>>> Usenet. I'm
>>>> sure many here will mourn his passing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly
>>> captures
>>> the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, and
>>> most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for:
>>>
>>>  *PLONK*
>>>
>>> As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death.
>>>
>> Yeah, but in death you won't
>> give a flyin' fahootch. :-)
>
> Depends on whether there is a hell or not and whether you end up there.


The good news is: when you end up in Hell, you can then rent our
Texas.

--
Les Cargill

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#28162

"Les Cargill" <lcargill99@comcast.com> wrote in message 
news:k7ks70$moi$3@dont-email.me...
> Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
>> news:qv8r98tbg9quqerus2fidpg0huivts91ef@4ax.com...
>>> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.  He
>>>>> used
>>>>> to be a regular in alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.cpm, and
>>>>> comp.lang.c.
>>>>> He had a long and involved history with computers and programming.  He
>>>>> was born in Switzerland on September 13, 1931 and passed away in
>>>>> Damariscotta, Maine on June 4, 2012.  I'm sure most everyone here
>>>>> remembers him and his posts to Usenet. One of his many accomplishments
>>>>> was writing an article for an early Dr. Dobbs magazine on implementing
>>>>> floating point on the Intel 8080 microprocessor.
>>>>>
>>>>> His resent resume and the downloadable files from a recent web page of
>>>>> his... can be found at You can a recent resume of his at the 
>>>>> ClassicCmp
>>>>> website:
>>>>>
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> His obituary is at:
>>>>>
>>>>> [link]
>>>>>
>>>>> I know I'm *not* the only person he has helped in his time on
>>>>> Usenet. I'm
>>>>> sure many here will mourn his passing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly
>>>> captures
>>>> the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, 
>>>> and
>>>> most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for:
>>>>
>>>>  *PLONK*
>>>>
>>>> As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, but in death you won't
>>> give a flyin' fahootch. :-)
>>
>> Depends on whether there is a hell or not and whether you end up there.
>
>
> The good news is: when you end up in Hell, you can then rent our Texas.

I have my own much better than texas that I don't
even need to rent back here before I end up in hell. 

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#28152

On Friday, November 9, 2012 4:07:53 PM UTC-8, Rod Pemberton wrote:

> Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly 
> captures the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements 
> in life, and most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember 
> him for

For most of the regulars here, we can paraphrase the tombstone of "Buffy 
The Vampire Slayer" the second time (third?) she died:  

"He Knew The Return Value Of main()
A Lot"

---
William Ernest Reid

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#28199

"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote in message 
news:k7k5sn$5mm$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote in message
> news:k6c6db$tp4$1@dont-email.me...
>> I am sorry to report that C.B. "Chuck" Falconer has passed away.
>>
>>    [snip...]                   [snip...]                  [snip...]
>>
> Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly captures
> the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, and
> most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for:
>
>  *PLONK*
>
> As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death.
>

Mr. C.B. Falconer treated people *justly* in his life, so I believe that he 
will be treated fairly in death.  If Chuck *plonked* you in his life... you 
must have *richly* deserved it, Mr. Pemberton.

--

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#28200

On Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:42:55 PM UTC-8, Charles Richmond wrote:
> "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> wrote in message news:k7k5sn$5mm$1@speranza.aioe.org... 
> > Every truly great man needs a quote on his tombstone which truly captures 
> > the essence of the man, what he stood for, his achievements in life, and 
> > most importantly, what, if anything, humanity will remember him for: 
> > *PLONK* 
> > As you treated others in life, so too shall you be treated in death. 

> Mr. C.B. Falconer treated people *justly* in his life, so I believe that he 
> will be treated fairly in death. If Chuck *plonked* you in his life... you 
> must have *richly* deserved it, Mr. Pemberton. 

A life spent "kill-filing" people on Usenet is a not a life lived wisely.  
(You could make a case that is also true just for reading Usenet at all.)

If you've kill-filed more than a couple people, for any other reason 
than introducing viruses into newsreaders or completely insane bombing 
of the group with hundreds of incoherent messages a day, you have a 
pathological relationship with the rest of the entire human race that 
is evidenced by your behavior on Usenet.  

Did the decedant exhibit the behavior of kill-filing many posters?  
If so, he's probably in a better place, and so is the human race...  

---
William Ernest Reid

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#28202

On 11/11/2012 9:45 AM, hormelfree@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Did the decedant exhibit the behavior of kill-filing many posters?
> If so, he's probably in a better place, and so is the human race...

     My kill file just got better.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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#28230

On 11/11/2012 11:17 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
> On 11/11/2012 9:45 AM, hormelfree@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Did the decedant exhibit the behavior of kill-filing many posters?
>> If so, he's probably in a better place, and so is the human race...
> 
>      My kill file just got better.

Note: hormelfree@gmail.com normally posts as "Bill Reid".

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#28247

On Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:45:20 PM UTC, horme...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> If you've kill-filed more than a couple people, for any other reason 
> than introducing viruses into newsreaders or completely insane bombing 
> of the group with hundreds of incoherent messages a day, you have a 
> pathological relationship with the rest of the entire human race that 
> is evidenced by your behavior on Usenet.  
> 
I think that issuing a public "plonk" tends to create a sense of excitement
and does more harm than good. Best not to give annoying people the drama,
and just quietly ignore them. Whether you do that with a kill file or just by
not reading their posts is no-one else's business.

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#28254

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-8, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:45:20 PM UTC, horme...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > If you've kill-filed more than a couple people, for any other reason 
> > than introducing viruses into newsreaders or completely insane bombing 
> > of the group with hundreds of incoherent messages a day, you have a 
> > pathological relationship with the rest of the entire human race that 
> > is evidenced by your behavior on Usenet. 
> I think that issuing a public "plonk" tends to create a sense of excitement 
> and does more harm than good. Best not to give annoying people the drama, and > just quietly ignore them. Whether you do that with a kill file or just by not > reading their posts is no-one else's business.

Well, yeah, although I wasn't explicit about these idiotic "plonk!!!" 
announcements, that is part and parcel of the defective behavior of many 
Usenet posters.  I have kill-filed just a very few people (actually, I 
think only one, which was probably actually a case of identity theft where 
somebody used somebody else's handle to post malicious scripts to mess up 
newsreaders) for the reasons stated above, and never had even the slightest 
urge to announce it.  

The most pathological thing about people who feel an overwhelming urge 
to announce a "poLnk!!!" as a response to an opinion they don't like is 
that in over 90% cases they don't even actually kill-file the poster.  
This adds dishonesty to the collection of defective behaviors rooted 
in deep-seated insecurities about their self-worth that destroys any 
possibility of working productively with others.  

---
William Ernest Reid

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#28259 — Plonking (was Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012)

On Tue, 2012-11-13, hormelfree@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-8, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:45:20 PM UTC, horme...@gmail.com wrote: 
>> > If you've kill-filed more than a couple people, for any other reason 
>> > than introducing viruses into newsreaders or completely insane bombing 
>> > of the group with hundreds of incoherent messages a day, you have a 
>> > pathological relationship with the rest of the entire human race that 
>> > is evidenced by your behavior on Usenet. 
>> I think that issuing a public "plonk" tends to create a sense of excitement 

>> and does more harm than good. Best not to give annoying people the
>> drama, and just quietly ignore them.

I disagree. It's (often) good to say in public that you don't tolerate a
certain behavior.

> Well, yeah, although I wasn't explicit about these idiotic "plonk!!!" 
> announcements, that is part and parcel of the defective behavior of many 
> Usenet posters.  [...]
>
> The most pathological thing about people who feel an overwhelming urge 
> to announce a "poLnk!!!" as a response to an opinion they don't like is
...

For me -- and for most people as I understand it -- plonking rarely
has to do with opinions but with the poster's lack of respect and
reasonable behavior.  I have killfiled people whose opinions I share,
because they keep starting flamewars and personal attacks.

Or because they criticize someone as a followup to the anouncement of
that person's death.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#28266 — Re: Plonking (was Re: C.B. Falconer, RIP 1931-2012)

On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
...
>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-8, Malcolm McLean wrote:
...
>>> I think that issuing a public "plonk" tends to create a sense of excitement 
>>> and does more harm than good. Best not to give annoying people the
>>> drama, and just quietly ignore them.
> 
> I disagree. It's (often) good to say in public that you don't tolerate a
> certain behavior.

The problem is that we have no choice about tolerating the behavior -
there's nothing we can do to stop it. The most we can do is ignore it;
and we do a better job of ignoring it if we don't even bother announcing
the fact that we're doing so. The announcement serves only to highlight
the fact that we can't do anything to stop the behavior.
-- 
James Kuyper

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#28267 — Re: Plonking

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:

> On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> ...
>>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-8, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> ...
>>>> I think that issuing a public "plonk" tends to create a sense of excitement 
>>>> and does more harm than good. Best not to give annoying people the
>>>> drama, and just quietly ignore them.
>> 
>> I disagree. It's (often) good to say in public that you don't tolerate a
>> certain behavior.
>
> The problem is that we have no choice about tolerating the behavior -
> there's nothing we can do to stop it. The most we can do is ignore it;
> and we do a better job of ignoring it if we don't even bother announcing
> the fact that we're doing so. The announcement serves only to highlight
> the fact that we can't do anything to stop the behavior.

I think that's too simplistic and too defeatist.  When people speak out
about an unacceptable remark it can have all sorts of positive effects
quite apart from any it may or may not have on the person who made it.

By the way, there are two meanings of tolerate here that may, in part,
be the cause of some of this disagreement.  I imagine that Jorgen is
using it the sense of "to bear without repugnance" rather than in the
neutral "to allow or to permit" sense.

-- 
Ben.

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#28623 — Re: Plonking

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:17:32 +0000, Ben Bacarisse wrote:

> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> 
>> On 11/13/2012 03:46 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: ...
>>>> On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:02:54 AM UTC-8, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> ...
>>>>> I think that issuing a public "plonk" tends to create a sense of
>>>>> excitement and does more harm than good. Best not to give annoying
>>>>> people the drama, and just quietly ignore them.
>>> 
>>> I disagree. It's (often) good to say in public that you don't tolerate
>>> a certain behavior.
>>
>> The problem is that we have no choice about tolerating the behavior -
>> there's nothing we can do to stop it. The most we can do is ignore it;
>> and we do a better job of ignoring it if we don't even bother
>> announcing the fact that we're doing so. The announcement serves only
>> to highlight the fact that we can't do anything to stop the behavior.
> 
> I think that's too simplistic and too defeatist.  When people speak out
> about an unacceptable remark it can have all sorts of positive effects
> quite apart from any it may or may not have on the person who made it.
> 
> By the way, there are two meanings of tolerate here that may, in part,
> be the cause of some of this disagreement.  I imagine that Jorgen is
> using it the sense of "to bear without repugnance" rather than in the
> neutral "to allow or to permit" sense.

Now I'm ambivalent.  I've avoided public plonking (instead silently adding
someone to a killfile or filter, or simply ignoring him) and had also
noticed that many who did so seemed to be dishonest about it.  The "taking
a stand" argument holds some merit, especially after the recent thread by
a regular who felt everyone was against him when a troll went unanswered.
So, to what extent does it make sense to publish one's entire list, both
of plonked posters and of anti-plonked posters (white list), possibly with
rationale?  If done at all often, that sort of thing could clog up the ng,
but other than that, does it make sense?  If not, then why does it make
sense to publish part of that list?

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