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  Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 20:44 -0700
    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 20:55 -0700
      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 04:53 -0700
        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:18 -0700
          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 09:53 -0700
            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:38 -0700
              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:15 -0700
                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:27 -0700
                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:35 -0700
                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:51 -0700
                      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:01 -0700
                        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:39 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:49 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:57 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 14:33 -0700
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 15:59 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 14:09 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:15 -0700
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 15:42 -0700
    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 21:53 +0800
      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:21 -0700
        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:24 -0700
        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 23:34 +0800
          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 09:55 -0700
            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:39 -0700
              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:17 -0700
                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:28 -0700
            [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 22:48 +0800
              Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 08:43 -0700
                Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 00:08 +0800
                  Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 09:19 -0700
                    Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-03 13:58 -0500
                      Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:11 -0700
              Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-03 09:48 -0700
                Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 01:12 +0800
          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2017-05-01 17:13 +0000
            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 10:46 -0700
          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:07 -0700
            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 11:23 -0700
              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 11:25 -0700
                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:55 -0700
                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:19 -0700
                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:43 -0700
                      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:48 -0700
                        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 13:36 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:43 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:45 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 14:04 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-08 13:41 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 14:12 -0700
              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:54 -0700
      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:19 -0700
        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 08:32 -0700
        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 23:34 +0800
          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:07 -0700
            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 13:27 -0700
              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:41 -0700
                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 15:15 -0700
                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 16:01 -0700
                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 15:54 -0700
                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 16:39 -0700
                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:23 -0700
                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-03 21:36 +0100
                      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 14:35 -0700
                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-04 01:07 +0100
                      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:01 -0700
                        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:26 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:54 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:48 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:36 -0700
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:10 -0700
                                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 11:18 -0700
                                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:42 -0700
                              Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:08 +0300
                                Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 08:54 -0600
                                  Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:06 -0700
                                    Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:34 -0700
                                  Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:12 -0700
                                    Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:27 -0700
                                  Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:53 -0700
                                  Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 18:35 -0700
                                    Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-05-08 02:07 +0000
                                      Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:36 -0700
                                        Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:02 -0700
                                      Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:01 -0700
                                    Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:01 -0700
                                Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:44 -0700
                                  Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 22:35 +0300
                                    Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-09 13:00 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-03 22:08 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:16 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:44 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:21 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:12 -0700
                        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-03 18:37 -0700
                        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:42 -0700
                        Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-04 09:33 +0100
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:53 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-04 15:08 +0200
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-04 14:51 +0100
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:18 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:18 -0700
                          Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:13 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:27 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-04 13:02 -0700
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 13:20 -0700
                                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:48 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:47 -0700
                            Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:44 -0700
                              Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:55 -0700
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 20:09 -0700
                                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:37 -0700
                                Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:36 -0700
                                  Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-07 22:14 -0700
                                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 03:59 -0700
                                      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 11:10 -0700
                                    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 11:07 -0700
    Why is Jesus the only way? cpascoshi@gmail.com - 2017-05-04 09:45 -0700
    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 13:55 -0700
    Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "max.muster@picca.de" <dominic.ernst91@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 02:42 -0700
      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 03:27 -0700
      Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-11 09:12 -0700

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#108986

On 5/1/17, 3:54 PM, in article
c76a22f4-f401-4b69-a839-9a784625ad84@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>> What I have an issue with is people pushing their views on others.
> 
> I am not forcing my views on others.

Well, you cannot really force them... but you push threats that if we do not
accept your world view then we will be damned forever and other such
silliness.

It is immoral of you to do that. It would be just as silly as my saying you
must accept the Invisible Green Dragon or you will be burning in his belly
throughout eternity. Just silly nonsense.

> I am teaching all of you what truth is because there's an enemy of God at work
> in this world teaching falseness as though it were truth.

See: there is your accusation... that I am someone's enemy and that your
world view is "truth" that we should all accept. That is immoral of you to
push.

> Jesus Christ is truth.

That is your worldview. Cool. But stop pushing it as what other should
believe. Stop saying we are the enemy of ANYONE if we do not accept your
worldview. That is a massive victim mentality to think people have to accept
your views or they are the enemy of anyone.

Again, it is not like you are telling people to stop stealing a kid's lunch
money. OK. That would be noting an immoral act. But to you it is immoral and
turns one into an enemy to simply not have your worldview.

> Sin is real.  The punishment for sin is real, and it is eternal damnation in
> Hellfire.  And God offers us a way to be saved from that end:  Jesus Christ.

But you will not listen to how you can be saved by the Invisible Green
Dragon. If you will not listen to that why should I listen to your
worldview?

> This is truth.  It's why I teach it.

That is your worldview. No reason to think it is in any way, shape, or form
true.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#109129

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:54:31 PM UTC-7, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Snit wrote:
> > What I have an issue with is people pushing their views on others.
> 
> I am not forcing my views on others.  I am teaching all of you what
> truth is because there's an enemy of God at work in this world teaching
> falseness as though it were truth.
> 
> Jesus Christ is truth.  Sin is real.  The punishment for sin is real,
> and it is eternal damnation in Hellfire.  And God offers us a way to
> be saved from that end:  Jesus Christ.
> 
> This is truth.  It's why I teach it.
 
Look, people, RCH really believes this stuff. I think he is
deluded but I wouldn't waste time trying to undelude him. I
suggest just ignoring him.

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#109136

On 03/05/17 20:23, David Kleinecke wrote:
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:54:31 PM UTC-7, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> What I have an issue with is people pushing their views on others.
>>
>> I am not forcing my views on others.  I am teaching all of you what
>> truth is because there's an enemy of God at work in this world teaching
>> falseness as though it were truth.
>>
>> Jesus Christ is truth.  Sin is real.  The punishment for sin is real,
>> and it is eternal damnation in Hellfire.  And God offers us a way to
>> be saved from that end:  Jesus Christ.
>>
>> This is truth.  It's why I teach it.
>
> Look, people, RCH really believes this stuff. I think he is
> deluded but I wouldn't waste time trying to undelude him. I
> suggest just ignoring him.

This has been suggested many times before. Unfortunately, quite a few 
people here prefer to ignore suggestions to ignore him. It's a bit like 
picking at a scab - people know they probably shouldn't, but many do anyway.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#109139

On 5/3/17, 1:36 PM, in article oedeqo$smt$1@dont-email.me, "Richard
Heathfield" <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

> On 03/05/17 20:23, David Kleinecke wrote:
>> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:54:31 PM UTC-7, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> What I have an issue with is people pushing their views on others.
>>> 
>>> I am not forcing my views on others.  I am teaching all of you what
>>> truth is because there's an enemy of God at work in this world teaching
>>> falseness as though it were truth.
>>> 
>>> Jesus Christ is truth.  Sin is real.  The punishment for sin is real,
>>> and it is eternal damnation in Hellfire.  And God offers us a way to
>>> be saved from that end:  Jesus Christ.
>>> 
>>> This is truth.  It's why I teach it.
>> 
>> Look, people, RCH really believes this stuff. I think he is
>> deluded but I wouldn't waste time trying to undelude him. I
>> suggest just ignoring him.
> 
> This has been suggested many times before. Unfortunately, quite a few
> people here prefer to ignore suggestions to ignore him. It's a bit like
> picking at a scab - people know they probably shouldn't, but many do anyway.

I admit I respond to those who troll more than I "should".

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#109148

David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
<snip>
> Look, people, RCH really believes this stuff. I think he is
> deluded but I wouldn't waste time trying to undelude him. I
> suggest just ignoring him.

According to my newsreader you posted this seven minutes before replying
to one of RCH's religious diatribes yourself.  (By the way, I agree that
there is nothing to be done but ignore these posts.)

-- 
Ben.

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#109154

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 5:07:48 PM UTC-7, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
> <snip>
> > Look, people, RCH really believes this stuff. I think he is
> > deluded but I wouldn't waste time trying to undelude him. I
> > suggest just ignoring him.
> 
> According to my newsreader you posted this seven minutes before replying
> to one of RCH's religious diatribes yourself.  (By the way, I agree that
> there is nothing to be done but ignore these posts.)

Scabs. I can ignore his Christian nonsense but Islam is a
real problem area today and Islamophobia is too important
to ignore.

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#109158

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
> ...I can ignore his Christian nonsense but Islam is a
> real problem area today and Islamophobia is too important
> to ignore.

Islam is evil top to bottom.  There is nothing redeeming about it.  It
is a religion of hate and death, and it is wrought with sin in its "god"
(who calls himself the chief liar), as well as in Muhammad (married a
six-year old little girl, and consummated their marriage when she was
nine!!  A "prophet of god" having sex with a nine-year old little girl).

And that doesn't mention the Jihad they are called to wage as war
against all of the infidels.

Islam is evil top to bottom, front to back, side to side, and it has
no redeeming traits whatsoever.  Period.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#109160

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
> > ...I can ignore his Christian nonsense but Islam is a
> > real problem area today and Islamophobia is too important
> > to ignore.
> 
> Islam is evil top to bottom.  There is nothing redeeming about it.  It
> is a religion of hate and death, and it is wrought with sin in its "god"
> (who calls himself the chief liar), as well as in Muhammad (married a
> six-year old little girl, and consummated their marriage when she was
> nine!!  A "prophet of god" having sex with a nine-year old little girl).

There are no standards of even natural decency and morality which would
advocate marriage at six years of age, and a nine-year old little girl
having sex with a full-grown man who had sex with multiple partners,
not all of which were his wives or concubines.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/muhammads-sex-life.aspx

> And that doesn't mention the Jihad they are called to wage as war
> against all of the infidels.

Even Muslims lie about their own faith:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/islamophobia.aspx

> Islam is evil top to bottom, front to back, side to side, and it has
> no redeeming traits whatsoever.  Period.

Christianity teaches that we are three-fold beings:  soul, body, spirit.
We read in Genesis that when Adam sinned he died, yet he continued to
live on in this world up to the age of 930 years.  He didn't die in his
body, but he died spiritually that day, and that spiritual death passed
on to all of his offspring ... including us in the 20th+ century.

Because of that spiritual death, and because we are dead in sin, evil
spirit beings can influence our flesh.  They exert spiritually upon
our flesh so that we think and feel and have emotions that ARE NOT OUR
OWN.  They are induced by the injection of them into our flesh by their
spirit nature.

The battle that we face is one over sin, and over our death in sin.
Islam, like every other religion, is a religion that focus on religion.
It focuses on a list of rules and regulations to follow and obey and
be obedient to.

Christianity is different.  Jesus is Truth, and He teaches us rightly
that we are dead in sin, that we cannot save ourselves, but that we
need to have our sin taken away so we can be free from sin, and free
from the death that comes from judgment upon sin.

When we ask Jesus to forgive us, because of what He did at the cross,
He is able to take our sin away from us and leave us sin free before
God the Father.  This removes us from judgment, and restores us to
spiritual life.

It is what it means to be "born again" in Christianity.

The new born again spirit nature is a new source of input into our
being.  It allows us to discern spiritual things, and we are then
aware of the evil spirits at work in this world.  The evil spirits
are there in all people who are not born again (and they attack even
born again Christians with great efforts, coordinated and purposed),
and they are only causing harm.

Islam is of that evil spirit nature.  It preys upon our flesh, it
makes us subject to a focus upon things of the flesh.  Rigorous
prayer life, abstaining from many things.  Muslims focus on discipline
to bring their lives into obedience with the requirements of their
faith, BUT IT HAS NO SAVING POWER.  They are still as dead in sin as
they were when they started.

Only Jesus Christ can bring new life.  Only Jesus Christ can take
away sin.  Only Jesus Christ can forgive a person and set them on a
new life that is enabled here in this world, and carries on to eternity
in the paradise of Heaven with God forever.

Jesus came here to set men's souls free from judgment for sin.  He
came here to redeem us and give us new life.  He came here to teach
us the nature of the battle we Christians face.  He came here to have
those who come to faith in Him, asking forgiveness, being born again,
to then go forth and teach others so that those who have an ear to hear
will hear and also be saved.

OURS IS A TEACHING MINISTRY.  We are not killers.  We are not evil-
doers.  We are in pursuit of God's own Holy Spirit, and we seek after
increasing holiness in our lives.  It is apostate Christians, those
who focus upon the flesh rather than upon His Holy Spirit and upon the
call of our own spirit who do those Earthly heinous things, and in so
doing give Christianity a bad name, and apparently soil the name of
Jesus Christ for those who only give a casual glance in His direction.

Jesus Christ is not mocked.  All who will be saved are being saved.
This information is taught to each of you so that YOU TOO have the
chance to be saved.  Whether or not you are saved is dependent upon
whether or not you can hear the truth of this message.  If you can,
it is God reaching into your core, your inmost man, your invisible
inner parts, and altering you so that you can repent, can come to
Jesus and ask forgiveness.  For those who cannot hear it, it is
because you are not being saved.

This message is cast out unto everyone.  But only those who will hear
it, respond to it, and move within that response will be saved.  The
rest will perish in their sin, and be cast into Hell upon leaving
this world.

All other religions would have you believe differently, but not one
of them has Jesus Christ going to the cross innocent, taking on our
guilt in our place, so that we could, by His willing blood sacrifice,
be set free from sin, from death, from Hell, and from the grave.

Everyone who comes to Jesus asking forgiveness is received, and they
then in that selfsame instant pass from death to life and will not
face judgment, and will not be cast into Hell, but are already alive
again, and they will begin to influence upon this world as you see
me doing here ... teaching about Jesus Christ, teaching about sin,
teaching about the nature of sin and the war that's on for your soul,
as well as the false religions that try to tie and bind you up in a
lot of religious rituals and activities that HAVE NO SAVING POWER FOR
YOUR SOUL.

Only Jesus can save you.  And He's giving away salvation for the mere
asking, "Lord, I am a sinner.  Please forgive my sin."

All who do this enter in to eternal life.  THE REST PERISH IN HELL.
That is what Satan is trying to keep people from by introducing all
of these false alternate religions.  There is only one God Almighty,
and He has sent us His Son to save us.  If you look into the matter
with a truth-seeking heart, GOD HIMSELF will affirm within you, in
the very way you need to understand and know, that HE IS GOD, and
that HIS SON WILL SAVE YOU.

It's up to you ... and what you do with this information.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#109172

On 5/3/17, 6:54 PM, in article
50c18920-b380-43fa-bd10-444945d6f02d@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:26:20 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:02:16 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:
>>> ...I can ignore his Christian nonsense but Islam is a
>>> real problem area today and Islamophobia is too important
>>> to ignore.
>> 
>> Islam is evil top to bottom.  There is nothing redeeming about it.  It
>> is a religion of hate and death, and it is wrought with sin in its "god"
>> (who calls himself the chief liar), as well as in Muhammad (married a
>> six-year old little girl, and consummated their marriage when she was
>> nine!!  A "prophet of god" having sex with a nine-year old little girl).
> 
> There are no standards of even natural decency and morality which would
> advocate marriage at six years of age, and a nine-year old little girl
> having sex with a full-grown man who had sex with multiple partners,
> not all of which were his wives or concubines.
> 
>     http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/muhammads-sex-life.aspx

But you are OK with these "lessons" of the bible:

    <http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/>

You have said before you will not even click links which reference parts of
the bible you wish to pretend do not exist. So let us just look at this one:

  Deuteronomy 22:28-29 
    -----
    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not
    engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he
    must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will
    never be allowed to divorce her.
    -----

Yeah: the bible says a rapist must pay fifty pieces of silver and then the
victim is forced to marry the rapist. What a horrid lesson. Makes me want to
puke.

And that is just one of the horrid lessons and stories of rape in the bible.

>> And that doesn't mention the Jihad they are called to wage as war
>> against all of the infidels.
> 
> Even Muslims lie about their own faith:
> 
>     http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/islamophobia.aspx

As do you about yours.

>> Islam is evil top to bottom, front to back, side to side, and it has
>> no redeeming traits whatsoever.  Period.
> 
> Christianity teaches that we are three-fold beings:  soul, body, spirit.

blah blah blah. So far I have seen no evidence you have even read the bible.

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#109186

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:48:18 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> But you are OK with these "lessons" of the bible:

There are no places in any part of the Bible where God is okay with
rape.  God also does not want to destroy His creation.  But because
of sin He has no choice but to look at the bigger picture of man,
and make hard choices which might seem to us to be heinous, but are
goaled at saving billions of lives.

The term "murder," as used by man regarding the killing of a man,
exists because God gave us a law to not murder.  But all life comes
from Him, and all life is His, and He has the right and full authority
to determine the day of our birth, and the day of our appointment with
death because He is Sovereign.  Not a single sparrow falls to the
ground unless God wills it, and He sees the true heart of things at
work in this world.  He sees past the pretense, past the moment, into
the full ramifications of men's decisions over the long haul.  He is
looking with eyes beyond our ability to consider.  He is looking at
input beyond our ability as an Earthly fallen-in-sin man to know.

By destroying an entire people who will follow after evil spirit
guidance, which in all cases will lead into full-on corruption of
everything (morals, ethics, values, lives, environment), He protects
people, future generations numbering as the sands of the sea shore.

-----
You look at the here and now, the moment, the spans of decades in
your considerations.  God deals with timescales far beyond our
lifetime and ability to consider.  You use your Nn years of life
here on this Earth, your limited schooling, your limited life
experience, and conclude that you know better than God.

You walk in such arrogance and pride, "Snit," believing that you
can walk in God's shoes and determine for God how things should be.
You will be schooled to the fullest, and unless you repent and are
born again, it will be for you as is foretold in scripture:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/25-41.htm
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart
       from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the
       devil and his angels:

Hell was never intended for man.  But, because of man's sin, and
the pride and arrogance that goes along with it in rebellion:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/5-14.htm
    14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth
       without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and
       their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

God is not fooling around.  ETERNITY is at stake for men.  He has
warned us fully in advance of what's coming.  It's not a game.
It's not words on a page.  It is His Holy Spirit revealing to us
what is transpiring right now in eternity.

HUMAN SOULS WILL BE LOST TO HELLFIRE FOREVER.

That is what the enemy of this world is trying to keep people
from coming to realize.  That is the fate of all people who do
not come to Jesus and ask forgiveness.  That is the fate of all
who continue in sin rejecting the free offer of salvation by
His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

It's His warning to you, "Snit."

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

PS - If you can't stand as yourself in this world, "Snit," and
     instead hide behind a false persona ... how will you stand
     on that last day?  You won't.  Your entire life is being
     lived in a falseness right now ... and you don't even
     realize it because sin's grasp on you is just like sin's
     grasp on everyone else who isn't seeking after the truth:
     complete and total.

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#109238

On 5/4/17, 4:36 AM, in article
0f2a99d0-1486-4481-a345-0dc1b083b065@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:48:18 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> But you are OK with these "lessons" of the bible:
> 
> There are no places in any part of the Bible where God is okay with
> rape. 

I quoted some to you. I can easily quote others.

Again, if you are going to push Christianity on people at least READ the
bible! At this point you have shown you know very little about. Here, more
quotes from the bible where rape is supported:

 Judges 21:10-24 NLT
    -----
    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders
    to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what
    you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and
    every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of
    Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never
    slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the
    land of Canaan.

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant
    of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of
    Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of
    Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there
    were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for
    Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.
    So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few
    who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?
    There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of
    Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own
    daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that
    anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh,
    between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that
    goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still
    needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of
    Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and
    each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when
    their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them,
    'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we
    didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead.
    And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give
    your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as
    they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the
    celebration and carried them off to the land of their own
    inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the
    assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they
    returned to their own homes.
    -----

 Numbers 31:7-18
    -----
    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they
    killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem,
    Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam
    son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the
    Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and
    all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages
    where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder
    and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to
    Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel,
    which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River,
    across from Jericho.

    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to
    meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the
    military commanders who had returned from the battle.  "Why have you
    let all the women live?" he demanded.  "These are the very ones who
    followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel
    against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the
    plague to strike the LORD's people.  Now kill all the boys and all
    the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are
    virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
    -----

I could go on and on. LOTS more in the bible where God is supportive of
rape. It is just nasty.

So, again, READ the bible. Stop pretending it does not say what it does.

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#109241

Snit wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:48:18 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
> >> But you are OK with these "lessons" of the bible:
> > There are no places in any part of the Bible where God is okay with
> > rape. 
> I quoted some to you. I can easily quote others.

"Snit," you are not interested in knowing the truth.  Even if I were
to answer you rightly, truly, and with full Biblical accurately, you
would not listen.  You already have your mind made up on how it is,
and how there are things in the Bible which are some heinous act of
God, or of God's allowance.  You'll never see past it until you open
up your mind beyond your own personal judgments (which are wrong).

Until you change and seek the truth, you will not receive another
reply from me because all you do is spread hatred, evil, and overt
wickedness by writing your replies in the purposeful ignorance you
possess.

You are harming people in so doing, and I've warned you in private
email about continuing on and how much harm you're doing, but you
have not listened.  I urge you to reconsider your decision.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#109285

On 5/4/17, 11:18 AM, in article
12489678-46f6-416c-b329-cfb188cf160a@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:48:18 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>>>> But you are OK with these "lessons" of the bible:
>>> There are no places in any part of the Bible where God is okay with
>>> rape. 
>> I quoted some to you. I can easily quote others.
> 
> "Snit," you are not interested in knowing the truth.

I do not accept your completely unsupported worldview as truth, and given
how little you know of the bible there is little reason to think you know
anything of Christianity other than you wish to be a blind follower who
egotistically thinks you have a monopoly on truth and the special
entitlement to belittle other's views in grossly bigoted ways.

> Even if I were to answer you rightly, truly, and with full Biblical
> accurately, you would not listen.

You have already shown you shun reading content from the bible.

> You already have your mind made up on how it is, and how there are things in
> the Bible which are some heinous act of God, or of God's allowance.

I have read it and can quote those horrid acts God engaged in or supported.
They are there. That is simply a fact.

> You'll never see past it until you open up your mind beyond your own personal
> judgments (which are wrong).

You are asking me to see past what is written in a book to your completely
unsupported claims about it. No thanks!

Oh, and you have admitted your mind is closed to other ideas as you belittle
me for not being open to yours. Hey, I have asked you repeatedly to try to
back your views. You refuse and run. You will not even read parts of the
bible. You loathe the bible.

> Until you change and seek the truth, you will not receive another reply from
> me because all you do is spread hatred, evil, and overt wickedness by writing
> your replies in the purposeful ignorance you possess.

See: your massive arrogance shows again. Your mind is far more closed than
mine. I welcomed you to support your views. I still do. But you running from
the bible is showing you have no support.

> You are harming people in so doing, and I've warned you in private email about
> continuing on and how much harm you're doing, but you have not listened.  I
> urge you to reconsider your decision.

I am harming nobody. I am not threatening anyone, as you are. I am not
pushing my views on others as you are. I am not engaging in bigoted attacks
against Muslims as you have.

Thankfully not all Christians act as immorally as you do.



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#109426 — Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

Snit:

> Deuteronomy 22:28-29а:
>
>    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young
>    woman who is not engaged,  he  must  pay  fifty
>    pieces  of  silver to her father.  Then he must
>    marry the young woman because he violated  her,
>    and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
>
> Yeah:  the  bible  says  a  rapist  must pay fifty
> pieces of silver and then the ictim is  forced  to
> marry the rapist.

No, the rapist is forced to marry the victim.

> What a horrid lesson.  Makes me want to puke.
>
> And  that  is  just  one of the horrid lessons and
> stories of rape in the bible.

Looks like a genuine anti-rape law to me  that  will
make  any  man think twice before attempting a rape,
because that may be the last rape in his  life,  and
the last woman in his life.  It is also quite expen-
sive and has serious consequences.

I don't see why you think it supports rape in  some-
wise.

Wikipedia has a page on the matter:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_Hebrew_Bible

includeing a link to an article:

   http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/26/fact-check-does-the-bible-really-support-rape-and-polygamy-theblaze-explores-atheists-critiques/

Does  bible  pretend these laws to be direct word of
God?

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#109431 — Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

On 05/07/2017 07:08 AM, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Snit:
> 
>> Deuteronomy 22:28-29а:
>> 
>> If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not
>> engaged,  he  must  pay  fifty pieces  of  silver to her father.
>> Then he must marry the young woman because he violated  her, and he
>> will never be allowed to divorce her.
>> 
>> Yeah:  the  bible  says  a  rapist  must pay fifty pieces of silver
>> and then the ictim is  forced  to marry the rapist.
> 
> No, the rapist is forced to marry the victim.
> 
>> What a horrid lesson.  Makes me want to puke.
>> 
>> And  that  is  just  one of the horrid lessons and stories of rape
>> in the bible.
> 
> Looks like a genuine anti-rape law to me  that  will make  any  man
> think twice before attempting a rape, because that may be the last
> rape in his  life,  and the last woman in his life.  It is also quite
> expen- sive and has serious consequences.
> 
> I don't see why you think it supports rape in  some- wise.

If a man wants to marry a particular woman, but she doesn't want him, he
can simply rape her, thus forcing the marriage on her for a fixed cost,
with no punishment.  That's pretty pro-rape.  The Bible is a guide to
the very worst sort of morals.

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#109436 — Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

At no point does God advocate rape in the Bible.  Sinful man does things
which are against God's guidance and wishes.  The movement of God in
all cases toward man is in instructing him rightly, in holiness, in
obedience, but just as today man was disobedient back then too.

The Old Testament is also for a people guided only externally through
the Law given to Moses.  It had no saving power, but was a list of
rules to bring people under authority, into obedience.

One of the verses in Judges Snit quoted stopped at Judges 11:24.  If he
would've included the next verse, Judges 11:25 says that God did not
direct those men toward those actions, but that every man did what was
right in their own eyes because they were not honoring God, and had no
king, and were a lawless band of raiders essentially.

The entire law only serves to point out where we fail because of sin.
It is our schoolmaster, teaching us we need a savior.  And the Old
Testament taught of the future coming Messiah who would save them
and restore the proper kingdom.

Jesus is that Messiah, and the kingdom He restores is in and through
the transformation made possible only when He takes our sin away.
This is our eternal Kingdom redemption, of eternal life as our sin
is taken away, but He will also return to establish a Millennial
Kingdom on Earth for 1,000 years.  After that, the eternal Kingdom
begins for all who were saved.

Satan teaches falsely.  He's a liar.  And if you go to any source other than
God Himself, through His written word and in diligent pursuit of the truth,
Satan will be there to mislead us.

God is not evil.  God is good all the time.  Satan is evil, and puts forth much
effort to deceive you so that you won't be saved.

We live now in the age of grace and mercy.  We can have forgiveness of
sin through Jesus Christ.  The day is coming when that grace and mercy
is cut off.  It's why we must receive Him today, because we aren't promised
tomorrow.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#109440 — Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

On 5/7/17, 10:06 AM, in article
9d52d970-e2b7-4f86-b0ce-04247aba2edb@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> At no point does God advocate rape in the Bible.

Hard to take you seriously when you know so little of the bible!

    Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom,
    surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every
    quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men
    who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have
    relations with them." But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and
    shut the door behind him, and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act
    wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had
    relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to
    them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as
    they have come under the shelter of my roof." But they said, "Stand
    aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and
    already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than
    them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the
    door. But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the
    house with them, and shut the door. And they struck the men who were
    at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so
    that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway. Then the
    men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here? A son-in-law, and your
    sons, and your daughters, and whomever you have in the city, bring
    them out of the place; for we are about to destroy this place,
    because their outcry has become so great before the Lord that the
    Lord has sent us to destroy it."
    
Great lesson... the "righteous" man is willing to hand his daughters over to
strangers to be raped. What a wonderful moral guide!

But instead of facing that you just deny that it exists at all! And there is
the other passage I already shared where it said a woman who is raped shall
be forced to marry her assailant! It is horrible!

> Sinful man does things which are against God's guidance and wishes.  The
> movement of God in all cases toward man is in instructing him rightly, in
> holiness, in obedience, but just as today man was disobedient back then too.
> 
> The Old Testament is also for a people guided only externally through the Law
> given to Moses.  It had no saving power, but was a list of rules to bring
> people under authority, into obedience.

Ah, you do not take the laws of the bible as applying to you, including the
ones given to Moses which includes the 10 commandments. Once again you wipe
you ass with the bible.

> One of the verses in Judges Snit quoted stopped at Judges 11:24.  If he
> would've included the next verse, Judges 11:25 says that God did not
> direct those men toward those actions, but that every man did what was
> right in their own eyes because they were not honoring God, and had no
> king, and were a lawless band of raiders essentially.

I quoted Judges 21:10-24... NOT Judges 11. Really, do you know the bible at
all?

 Judges 21:10-24 NLT
    -----
    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders
    to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what
    you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and
    every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of
    Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never
    slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the
    land of Canaan.

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant
    of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of
    Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of
    Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there
    were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for
    Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.
    So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few
    who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?
    There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of
    Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own
    daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that
    anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh,
    between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that
    goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still
    needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of
    Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and
    each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when
    their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them,
    'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we
    didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead.
    And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give
    your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as
    they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the
    celebration and carried them off to the land of their own
    inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the
    assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they
    returned to their own homes.
    -----

> The entire law only serves to point out where we fail because of sin.

The "law" in the bible is filled with evil.

> It is our schoolmaster, teaching us we need a savior.  And the Old
> Testament taught of the future coming Messiah who would save them
> and restore the proper kingdom.
> 
> Jesus is that Messiah, and the kingdom He restores is in and through
> the transformation made possible only when He takes our sin away.
> This is our eternal Kingdom redemption, of eternal life as our sin
> is taken away, but He will also return to establish a Millennial
> Kingdom on Earth for 1,000 years.  After that, the eternal Kingdom
> begins for all who were saved.
> 
> Satan teaches falsely.  He's a liar.  And if you go to any source other than
> God Himself, through His written word and in diligent pursuit of the truth,
> Satan will be there to mislead us.
> 
> God is not evil.

The character named "God" in the bible certainly does a lot of evil and
backs a lot of evil and tells people to do evil.

> God is good all the time.  Satan is evil, and puts forth much effort to
> deceive you so that you won't be saved.

Why the hell would Satan even care? Seriously? Makes no sense.

> We live now in the age of grace and mercy.  We can have forgiveness of
> sin through Jesus Christ.  The day is coming when that grace and mercy
> is cut off.  It's why we must receive Him today, because we aren't promised
> tomorrow.

For the same reason you should accept the Invisible Green Dragon. Will you?
Nope.

Thus you are a hypocrite. Again.


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#109437 — Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

http://biblehub.com/judges/17-6.htm

http://biblehub.com/judges/21-25.htm

http://biblehub.com/psalms/145-9.htm

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/3-4.htm

Thank you,
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#109439 — Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

On 5/7/17, 10:12 AM, in article
d876df51-80f8-4cdd-a01d-f09e933cf331@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://biblehub.com/judges/17-6.htm
> 
> http://biblehub.com/judges/21-25.htm
> 
> http://biblehub.com/psalms/145-9.htm
> 
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/3-4.htm
> 
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin

So you have no comment other than links, but YOU are the one who said you
will not click links.

Odd hypocrisy. 

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#109445 — Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?]

On 5/7/17, 7:54 AM, in article oenc9i$36e$1@dont-email.me, "BruceS"
<bruces42@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 05/07/2017 07:08 AM, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>> Snit:
>> 
>>> Deuteronomy 22:28-29а:
>>> 
>>> If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not
>>> engaged,  he  must  pay  fifty pieces  of  silver to her father.
>>> Then he must marry the young woman because he violated  her, and he
>>> will never be allowed to divorce her.
>>> 
>>> Yeah:  the  bible  says  a  rapist  must pay fifty pieces of silver
>>> and then the ictim is  forced  to marry the rapist.
>> 
>> No, the rapist is forced to marry the victim.
>> 
>>> What a horrid lesson.  Makes me want to puke.
>>> 
>>> And  that  is  just  one of the horrid lessons and stories of rape
>>> in the bible.
>> 
>> Looks like a genuine anti-rape law to me  that  will make  any  man
>> think twice before attempting a rape, because that may be the last
>> rape in his  life,  and the last woman in his life.  It is also quite
>> expen- sive and has serious consequences.
>> 
>> I don't see why you think it supports rape in  some- wise.
> 
> If a man wants to marry a particular woman, but she doesn't want him, he
> can simply rape her, thus forcing the marriage on her for a fixed cost,
> with no punishment.  That's pretty pro-rape.  The Bible is a guide to
> the very worst sort of morals.

Exactly. And then the victim is going to be raped again and again and
again... unless someone thinks that a forced marriage is going to make her
magically accept her rapist.

It is repulsive beyond belief.

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