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| Started by | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-04-30 20:44 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-05-11 09:12 -0700 |
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Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 20:44 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-30 20:55 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 04:53 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:18 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 09:53 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:38 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:15 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:27 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:35 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:51 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:01 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:39 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:49 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:57 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 14:33 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 15:59 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 14:09 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:15 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 15:42 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 21:53 +0800
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:21 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:24 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 23:34 +0800
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 09:55 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:39 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:17 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:28 -0700
[OT] Preaching machines in C? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 22:48 +0800
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 08:43 -0700
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 00:08 +0800
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 09:19 -0700
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-03 13:58 -0500
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:11 -0700
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-03 09:48 -0700
Re: [OT] Preaching machines in C? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 01:12 +0800
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2017-05-01 17:13 +0000
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 10:46 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:07 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 11:23 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 11:25 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:55 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:19 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 12:43 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 12:48 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 13:36 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:43 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 13:45 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 14:04 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-08 13:41 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 14:12 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:54 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 08:19 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 08:32 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 23:34 +0800
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 11:07 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-01 13:27 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 13:41 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 15:15 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 16:01 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 15:54 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-01 16:39 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:23 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-03 21:36 +0100
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 14:35 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-04 01:07 +0100
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:01 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:26 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 18:54 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:48 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:36 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:10 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 11:18 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:42 -0700
Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:08 +0300
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-07 08:54 -0600
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:06 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:34 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 10:12 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:27 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:53 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 18:35 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-05-08 02:07 +0000
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 19:36 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:02 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:01 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:01 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 11:44 -0700
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 22:35 +0300
Re: Rape in the Bible [was: Re: Why is Jesus the only way?] Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-09 13:00 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? joel.rees@gmail.com - 2017-05-03 22:08 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:16 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:44 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:21 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:12 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-03 18:37 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-03 22:42 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-04 09:33 +0100
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 04:53 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-04 15:08 +0200
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-04 14:51 +0100
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:18 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:18 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:13 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 12:27 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-04 13:02 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 13:20 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:48 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:47 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 19:44 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:55 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 20:09 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:37 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 20:36 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-07 22:14 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 03:59 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 11:10 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-08 11:07 -0700
Why is Jesus the only way? cpascoshi@gmail.com - 2017-05-04 09:45 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 13:55 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "max.muster@picca.de" <dominic.ernst91@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 02:42 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 03:27 -0700
Re: Why is Jesus the only way? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-11 09:12 -0700
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-30 20:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Why is Jesus the only way? |
| Message-ID | <55def7f2-1dcd-49fc-8062-862467f88426@googlegroups.com> |
Because of how He was born (of a virgin, He didn't carry original sin). Because of what He did at the cross (He was innocent, condemned when there was no charge against Him, meaning He could take our sin upon Himself since He had none). Because of what He did in the resurrection (He died, went to Hell and paid the price of our sin, and because the willing sacrifice of the Righteous One pleased God, He raised Him back to life and gave Him a name above every name, so that Jesus now sits at the right hand of God the Father, with all authority in Heaven and upon the Earth under His command, because of what He did). Because He lives today and will change your life (when you come to Jesus and ask forgiveness for your sin, a real transaction takes place. Your sin goes to Jesus, and His perfect spotless righteousness comes to you. You literally stand before God as His Son is ... perfect, without blemish, spotless and beautiful). There is nothing given to man which is like the free offer of salvation through Jesus Christ. Each of us has sin. Each of us needs a Savior. Jesus Christ is that Savior. And, He's made it free for the asking, the true mark of a loving God desiring the maximum return on His work at the cross. You can be saved right now. If you know you have sin, ask Jesus to forgive your sin. He will do so right there where you are. There are no special words to say, no special key phrases. He knows your heart. He knows if you are sincere or not. If you speak to Him as best you're able, He will meet you where you are and give you eternal life. You can be free from the judgment of sin right now ... just ask Him to forgive you. Call upon His name and tell Him you are a sinner, and that you do not want to perish in your sin, but want to be restored to eternal life. He is faithful and just to forgive you no matter what you've done. You can start anew right now. Right this very moment. Just call out to Him and ask Him to forgive you. I'll be praying for you. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-30 20:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52BFFC3.A2D57%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108842 |
On 4/30/17, 8:44 PM, in article 55def7f2-1dcd-49fc-8062-862467f88426@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > Because of how He was born (of a virgin, He didn't carry original sin). Does that mean he had to make up his own? And what is sinful about the way the rest of us were born? Be fruitful and multiply! That is hardly a sin! ... -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 04:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <152e3e58-ac01-4b51-9663-26d8853ef50b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108845 |
Snit wrote:
Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Because of how He was born (of a virgin, He didn't carry original sin).
>
> Does that mean he had to make up his own? And what is sinful about the way
> the rest of us were born? Be fruitful and multiply! That is hardly a sin!
We are made in the image and likeness of God. He is one God, yet He is
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, just as we are one:
soul, body, spirit.
When Adam sinned, He died spiritually. He passed that on to all of his
descendants. Jesus didn't come from the line of Adam. He was born of
a virgin so He didn't have Adam's original sin. This made Hum a man under
our law, but he wasn't already condemned by original sin. Any sin He
had would either be His own, or any sin He chose to take on voluntarily
of His own volition.
Jesus was manifested into the world for that purpose: to take away our
sin, and set us free from the judgment and punishment of sin.
He had no sin of His own, so He was able to go to the cross innocent,
where God the Father supernaturally reached across time to all who
would be saved past, present, and future, transferring their sin unto
Jesus, so that when He died, their sin died with Him, condemning Him
in their place, and setting us free.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-12.htm
http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-14.htm
http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-15.htm
http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/3-8.htm
You should study the last few things Jesus said from the cross. They
are eye-opening.
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 08:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52C9FCD.A2DC6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108857 |
On 5/1/17, 4:53 AM, in article 152e3e58-ac01-4b51-9663-26d8853ef50b@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > Snit wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> Because of how He was born (of a virgin, He didn't carry original sin). >> >> Does that mean he had to make up his own? And what is sinful about the way >> the rest of us were born? Be fruitful and multiply! That is hardly a sin! > > We are made in the image and likeness of God. He is one God, yet He is > God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, just as we are one: > soul, body, spirit. > > When Adam sinned, He died spiritually. He passed that on to all of his > descendants. Jesus didn't come from the line of Adam. Mary was not from his line? How is that even possible? And Adam was created by God, so Adam was of the line of God... so same line there, too. > He was born of a virgin so He didn't have Adam's original sin. I am not responsible for the actions of my ancestors... the very idea that I am is rather absurd to me. I mean, really, if your great, great grandfather did something horrid do you hold responsibility for it? I say no. Does not mean if he, say, stole a million dollars from another family and you benefit from that you cannot try to make amends by giving them back their money (with interest, etc.) but you are not responsible for the wrongs of others. > This made Hum a man under our law, but he wasn't already condemned by original > sin. Any sin He had would either be His own, or any sin He chose to take on > voluntarily of His own volition. > > Jesus was manifested into the world for that purpose: to take away our > sin, and set us free from the judgment and punishment of sin. > > He had no sin of His own, so He was able to go to the cross innocent, > where God the Father supernaturally reached across time to all who > would be saved past, present, and future, transferring their sin unto > Jesus, so that when He died, their sin died with Him, condemning Him > in their place, and setting us free. > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-12.htm > http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-14.htm > http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-15.htm > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/3-8.htm > > You should study the last few things Jesus said from the cross. They > are eye-opening. What about all the evil lessons in the Bible... the support for rape and murder and slavery and all that stuff? The condemning of wearing of clothes made of different fabrics and the like? Do you just find "work arounds" to ignore those things and pretend they are not there but other things matter deeply? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 09:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f8b67e13-d21a-49dc-a311-d1328bfde6ec@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108877 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:18:32 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > On 5/1/17, 4:53 AM, in article > 152e3e58-ac01-4b51-9663-26d8853ef50b@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" > <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Snit wrote: > > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > >>> Because of how He was born (of a virgin, He didn't carry original sin). > >> > >> Does that mean he had to make up his own? And what is sinful about the way > >> the rest of us were born? Be fruitful and multiply! That is hardly a sin! > > > > We are made in the image and likeness of God. He is one God, yet He is > > God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, just as we are one: > > soul, body, spirit. > > > > When Adam sinned, He died spiritually. He passed that on to all of his > > descendants. Jesus didn't come from the line of Adam. > > Mary was not from his line? How is that even possible? And Adam was created > by God, so Adam was of the line of God... so same line there, too. Mary was of the line of Adam. You can read her genealogy in Luke. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and was/is God. > > He was born of a virgin so He didn't have Adam's original sin. > > I am not responsible for the actions of my ancestors... It's not actions, it's the very nature you exist in. When Adam sinned, death entered into the world because of sin. The Earth changed, the nature of people changed, everything changed. It was a changed world from that point forward. But God has rescued us from that death-world we live in by sending His Son to pay the price of sin in our place, restoring us to that which God originally intended before sin entered in and wrecked everything. Jesus Christ gives men new life. They are born again spiritually, so they are restored to the existence Adam and Even would've had on this Earth BEFORE sin. After sin, they existed very much like the people of this world do ... able to be deceived by Satan, being guided into sin and immorality, doing those things which only cause harm and death and lay down seeds of destruction over millenia. > the very idea that I > am is rather absurd to me. I mean, really, if your great, great grandfather > did something horrid do you hold responsibility for it? I say no. Does not > mean if he, say, stole a million dollars from another family and you benefit > from that you cannot try to make amends by giving them back their money > (with interest, etc.) but you are not responsible for the wrongs of others. It's about our nature, not individual laws which are broken. But even the lawful indescretions of our ancestors carry forward into us. Our families and societies may be built upon evil deeds and deceptive paths to wealth, and that spirit the ancestor operated in carries forward to the children so they are of that same spirit. There is the spirit nature you are unaware of, Snit. It's why you find it impossible to understand the things of Jesus and the Bible as being true. You are only looking at things through your natural understanding, and because of sin that understanding is corrupt and can be deceived. It's why the path to salvation is to pursue the truth. You cannot find the truth on your own. The enemy of this world will deceive you so that you think you have a handle on it, but you are still only embracing the lie. But when you seek the truth, and honestly desire to know it, God knows you are doing this, that you are in pursuit of this. He then reaches into your life supernaturally and moves things around and makes it possible for you to come to the truth for real. He does the things you cannot do in your sinful, fallen state, so that you can come to His Son, repent, ask forgiveness, and be saved. How can the dead man raise Himself? He cannot. But the one who has power over life and death can command the dead man to rise, and he will rise. This is what Jesus does for us by taking our sin away. He has the power over death, Hell, and the grave, and He commands His love toward us so that we, even in our sinful death, unable to do anything about our state, are overcome by His commanding His love toward us, so that we are risen by His Grace. > > This made Hum a man under our law, but he wasn't already condemned by original > > sin. Any sin He had would either be His own, or any sin He chose to take on > > voluntarily of His own volition. > > > > Jesus was manifested into the world for that purpose: to take away our > > sin, and set us free from the judgment and punishment of sin. > > > > He had no sin of His own, so He was able to go to the cross innocent, > > where God the Father supernaturally reached across time to all who > > would be saved past, present, and future, transferring their sin unto > > Jesus, so that when He died, their sin died with Him, condemning Him > > in their place, and setting us free. > > > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-12.htm > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-14.htm > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-15.htm > > > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/3-8.htm > > > > You should study the last few things Jesus said from the cross. They > > are eye-opening. > > What about all the evil lessons in the Bible... the support for rape and > murder and slavery and all that stuff? The condemning of wearing of clothes > made of different fabrics and the like? Do you just find "work arounds" to > ignore those things and pretend they are not there but other things matter > deeply? Everything in the Bible is understood in a proper context. Some of it literally cannot be reconciled to the natural understanding only. It seems an impossible contradiction that "a loving God" could instruct Israel to do some of the things He did. Satan uses that flesh-based understanding to trap people into man's reasoning whereby it's easy to conclude God is something other than He is. Satan uses our fallen state against us because we are weak in our flesh, defeated, in sin, able to be deceived. But when we pursue the truth of the matter, and want to know how it is that God, who is Love, could do such a thing, command such a thing, teach such a thing, etc., and we press in wanting to honestly know the truth of that issue ... then He will draw us to the place we need to go to receive that which we need to be able to understand it. Everything comes back to the three-fold nature of man: soul, body, spirit. We are spiritually dead, and some things of God can only be understood spiritually. It is from within that new nature Jesus makes possible for us to have by taking our sin away that we can then understand those aspects of God. Yet other aspects of God our flesh can understand. We have a legal system. If you break the law you pay the price in the legal system. With God and God's laws there is a standard of perfection. So, every violation of the law demands one punishment for an eternal being bent on disobeying God (who is truth, which another way to say that is to say that every violation of the law demands one punishment for an eternal being bent on not following what is right and true and proper, but instead is embracing their own ideas about what is right, even though they do not have the ability to understand the full depths of the creation of the universe): Hell. A place of eternal isolation with a torment that occupies a soul for all time, so they and their false-seeking ideas will never influence creation again. It's similar to what we would do with a system we created. If we made a piece of hardware or designed some software to behave a certain way, we would instruct each part (by its design) on how to be, what to do, and what not to do. So long as everything obeyed its instruction, we would keep the circuit or software in tact. But if we discovered piece X or piece Y or algorithm Z was doing something other than we instructed, we would have no qualms with taking that errant component out, and possibly replacing it with another. This is what God has done with His creation, but on the scale of living peoples, rather than simple hardware or software. And to ascribe traits to God that are inappropriate as the guardian of His creation is to rise up against Him concluding that you, oh created one, know better than He does how His universe should operate. Our best teams of PhD scientists are discovering things with the LHC today that confound the standard model. Our biggest brains do not yet know what is going on in this universe, and yet we think we have a handle on things in a way to instruct God on how things should be? No, sir. We are the students, He is the master. Everything God has done is in perfect understanding, perfect Love, perfect guidance, and perfect focus for a maximum return on that which He has created and given free will to: mankind. Every person who seeks the truth will find it and be saved. The rest will perish in their sin because they remain in rebellion against truth, against Him, against everything that is right and holy, and they will not be a part of His eternal kingdom for those reasons. It's all there, Snit ... if you want to seek to understand it. But if you want to gloss over it, and replace real research and truth-seeking endeavors with summary conclusions based on your own personal perceptions about the way things are ... then there is an enemy of God who will cater to your personal willingness- to-believe systems. You can go to your grave believing whatever you want to about all of the things which matter to you. But if you will simply set your sights on knowing the truth, and asking within your own inner-most man questions like: "If I am wrong, then I want to know. If there is another way, then I want to know. If Jesus is real, then I want to know," and if you really do mean it and aren't just parroting those words in some kind of mocking response to this message, then God will know your heart and He will make it possible for you to come to the truth. He honors our free will. He knows who are His, and who will be His. And He is already working in the lives of everyone who will come to believe, such that when their day comes they will be where they need to be, hearing what they need to hear, so that they too can be saved. God really is in control. Satan has been defeated. The many lies which exist in this world are overcome by seeking the truth in all cases (that relate to our pursuit of salvation). And Jesus Christ has made it possible, and God Himself guides us to each place we need to be to come to saving faith. Good luck on your endeavor, Snit. Jesus Himself will lead you to truth ... if you are interested in finding it. If not, then He also gives the warning that such false-seeking endeavors do come with a price: condemnation and Hellfire. It's your choice. Seek the truth and be saved ... or perish in Hell. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 11:38 -0700 |
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On 5/1/17, 9:53 AM, in article
f8b67e13-d21a-49dc-a311-d1328bfde6ec@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:18:32 AM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/1/17, 4:53 AM, in article
>> 152e3e58-ac01-4b51-9663-26d8853ef50b@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
>> <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Because of how He was born (of a virgin, He didn't carry original sin).
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean he had to make up his own? And what is sinful about the way
>>>> the rest of us were born? Be fruitful and multiply! That is hardly a sin!
>>>
>>> We are made in the image and likeness of God. He is one God, yet He is
>>> God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, just as we are one:
>>> soul, body, spirit.
>>>
>>> When Adam sinned, He died spiritually. He passed that on to all of his
>>> descendants. Jesus didn't come from the line of Adam.
>>
>> Mary was not from his line? How is that even possible? And Adam was created
>> by God, so Adam was of the line of God... so same line there, too.
>
> Mary was of the line of Adam.
Ah, so she also carried the sin of Adam and Eve... if you believe that you
are responsible for the actions of your ancestors (and believe the Adam and
Eve story). So Jesus had much the same ties to "original" sin as others.
Interesting.
> You can read her genealogy in Luke.
Or in Matthew... but they are different. Here, the text from each:
Luke 3:23-31:
-----
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as
was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which
was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son
of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which
was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of
Nagge, Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias,
which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was
the son of Juda, Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of
Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of
Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, Which was the son of Melchi,
which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the
son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, Which was the son of Jose,
which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was
the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, Which was the son of
Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph,
which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, Which was
the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of
Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David.
-----
Matthew 1:6-16:
-----
David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat
Ozias; And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz
begat Ezekias; And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon;
and Amon begat Josias; And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren,
about the time they were carried away to Babylon: And after they
were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel
begat Zorobabel; And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim;
and Eliakim begat Azor; And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim;
and Achim begat Eliud; And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat
Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband
of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
-----
Not only different names (each has names the other does not) but also
different ORDER of the names they list (for example Eliakim).
> Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and was/is God.
He had a mother, too... who was, if you believe the Adam and Eve story,
their descendant. Or maybe she was related to Adam and Steve and somehow the
two of them had a kid and she was never related to Eve?
>>> He was born of a virgin so He didn't have Adam's original sin.
>>
>> I am not responsible for the actions of my ancestors...
>
> It's not actions, it's the very nature you exist in.
In your view sin is not even an action but just a nature. Does my sin
increase if I refuse to kill people as the Bible describes? How does that
work?
> When Adam sinned, death entered into the world because of sin.
There as never a time when there as multi-celled life without death.
> The Earth changed, the nature of people changed, everything changed. It was a
> changed world from that point forward. But God has rescued us from that
> death-world we live in by sending His Son to pay the price of sin in our
> place, restoring us to that which God originally intended before sin entered
> in and wrecked everything.
>
> Jesus Christ gives men new life. They are born again spiritually, so they are
> restored to the existence Adam and Even would've had on this Earth BEFORE sin.
If death came from that sin then people should no longer die. Your story is
internally inconsistent.
> After sin, they existed very much like the people of this world do ... able to
> be deceived by Satan, being guided into sin and immorality, doing those things
> which only cause harm and death and lay down seeds of destruction over
> millenia.
>
>> the very idea that I am is rather absurd to me. I mean, really, if your
>> great, great grandfather did something horrid do you hold responsibility for
>> it? I say no. Does not mean if he, say, stole a million dollars from another
>> family and you benefit from that you cannot try to make amends by giving them
>> back their money (with interest, etc.) but you are not responsible for the
>> wrongs of others.
>
> It's about our nature, not individual laws which are broken.
Back to sin being a feature of a person and not about their actions. Seems
silly to me.
> But even the lawful indescretions of our ancestors carry forward into us. Our
> families and societies may be built upon evil deeds and deceptive paths to
> wealth, and that spirit the ancestor operated in carries forward to the
> children so they are of that same spirit.
I have friends whose grandparents were Nazis. My friends are not responsible
for their horrid actions.
> There is the spirit nature you are unaware of, Snit.
Something like this? <https://youtu.be/tmnBN9JHd60>
> It's why you find it impossible to understand the things of Jesus and the
> Bible as being true.
It is also because even with the stuff you reference it contradicts itself.
And we have not talked about the evil "lessons" it gives.
> You are only looking at things through your natural understanding, and because
> of sin that understanding is corrupt and can be deceived.
Ah, I only look at it with "natural understanding" -- of which I assume you
mean reason and logic. Yeah, through that lens it makes no sense.
> It's why the path to salvation is to pursue the truth.
Wait: do you want me to pursue truth or look to one ancient and heavily
edited book? Or are you going to pretend they are the same?
> You cannot find the truth on your own.
Well, I certainly learn from others!
> The enemy of this world will deceive you so that you think you have a handle
> on it, but you are still only embracing the lie.
By all means do explain what lie you think I "embrace" -- but be aware I
will ask you to back your claims.
> But when you seek the truth, and honestly desire to know it, God knows you are
> doing this, that you are in pursuit of this. He then reaches into your life
> supernaturally and moves things around and makes it possible for you to come
> to the truth for real. He does the things you cannot do in your sinful,
> fallen state, so that you can come to His Son, repent, ask forgiveness, and be
> saved.
So accept your beliefs or be doomed. That is evil.
> How can the dead man raise Himself? He cannot. But the one who has power
> over life and death can command the dead man to rise, and he will rise.
>
> This is what Jesus does for us by taking our sin away.
Ah, Jesus is a thief. Interesting.
> He has the power over death, Hell, and the grave, and He commands His love
> toward us so that we, even in our sinful death, unable to do anything about
> our state, are overcome by His commanding His love toward us, so that we are
> risen by His Grace.
>
>>> This made Hum a man under our law, but he wasn't already condemned by
>>> original
>>> sin. Any sin He had would either be His own, or any sin He chose to take on
>>> voluntarily of His own volition.
>>>
>>> Jesus was manifested into the world for that purpose: to take away our
>>> sin, and set us free from the judgment and punishment of sin.
>>>
>>> He had no sin of His own, so He was able to go to the cross innocent,
>>> where God the Father supernaturally reached across time to all who
>>> would be saved past, present, and future, transferring their sin unto
>>> Jesus, so that when He died, their sin died with Him, condemning Him
>>> in their place, and setting us free.
>>>
>>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-12.htm
>>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-14.htm
>>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/5-15.htm
>>>
>>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_john/3-8.htm
>>>
>>> You should study the last few things Jesus said from the cross. They
>>> are eye-opening.
>>
>> What about all the evil lessons in the Bible... the support for rape and
>> murder and slavery and all that stuff? The condemning of wearing of clothes
>> made of different fabrics and the like? Do you just find "work arounds" to
>> ignore those things and pretend they are not there but other things matter
>> deeply?
>
> Everything in the Bible is understood in a proper context.
Ah, here come the work-arounds. Just have faith that the details of how to
treat your slaves is al OK. Nope. I will NEVER do that. I will never accept
slavery as being acceptable.
The book you speak of teaches evil lessons.
> Some of it literally cannot be reconciled to the natural understanding only.
> It seems an impossible contradiction that "a loving God" could instruct Israel
> to do some of the things He did.
>
> Satan uses that flesh-based understanding to trap people into man's reasoning
> whereby it's easy to conclude God is something other than He is. Satan uses
> our fallen state against us because we are weak in our flesh, defeated, in
> sin, able to be deceived.
>
> But when we pursue the truth of the matter, and want to know how it is that
> God, who is Love, could do such a thing, command such a thing, teach such a
> thing, etc., and we press in wanting to honestly know the truth of that issue
> ... then He will draw us to the place we need to go to receive that which we
> need to be able to understand it.
>
> Everything comes back to the three-fold nature of man: soul, body, spirit.
> We are spiritually dead, and some things of God can only be understood
> spiritually. It is from within that new nature Jesus makes possible for us to
> have by taking our sin away that we can then understand those aspects of God.
>
> Yet other aspects of God our flesh can understand. We have a legal system.
> If you break the law you pay the price in the legal system. With God and God's
> laws there is a standard of perfection. So, every violation of the law
> demands one punishment for an eternal being bent on disobeying God (who is
> truth, which another way to say that is to say that every violation of the law
> demands one punishment for an eternal being bent on not following what is
> right and true and proper, but instead is embracing their own ideas about what
> is right, even though they do not have the ability to understand the full
> depths of the creation of the universe): Hell. A place of eternal isolation
> with a torment that occupies a soul for all time, so they and their
> false-seeking ideas will never influence creation again.
>
> It's similar to what we would do with a system we created. If we made a piece
> of hardware or designed some software to behave a certain way, we would
> instruct each part (by its design) on how to be, what to do, and what not to
> do. So long as everything obeyed its instruction, we would keep the circuit
> or software in tact. But if we discovered piece X or piece Y or algorithm Z
> was doing something other than we instructed, we would have no qualms with
> taking that errant component out, and possibly replacing it with another.
>
> This is what God has done with His creation, but on the scale of living
> peoples, rather than simple hardware or software.
>
> And to ascribe traits to God that are inappropriate as the guardian of His
> creation is to rise up against Him concluding that you, oh created one, know
> better than He does how His universe should operate.
>
> Our best teams of PhD scientists are discovering things with the LHC today
> that confound the standard model. Our biggest brains do not yet know what is
> going on in this universe, and yet we think we have a handle on things in a
> way to instruct God on how things should be? No, sir. We are the students,
> He is the master.
>
> Everything God has done is in perfect understanding, perfect Love, perfect
> guidance, and perfect focus for a maximum return on that which He has created
> and given free will to: mankind.
>
> Every person who seeks the truth will find it and be saved. The rest will
> perish in their sin because they remain in rebellion against truth, against
> Him, against everything that is right and holy, and they will not be a part of
> His eternal kingdom for those reasons.
>
> It's all there, Snit ... if you want to seek to understand it. But if you want
> to gloss over it, and replace real research and truth-seeking endeavors with
> summary conclusions based on your own personal perceptions about the way
> things are ... then there is an enemy of God who will cater to your personal
> willingness- to-believe systems. You can go to your grave believing whatever
> you want to about all of the things which matter to you.
>
> But if you will simply set your sights on knowing the truth, and asking within
> your own inner-most man questions like: "If I am wrong, then I want to know.
> If there is another way, then I want to know. If Jesus is real, then I want
> to know," and if you really do mean it and aren't just parroting those words
> in some kind of mocking response to this message, then God will know your
> heart and He will make it possible for you to come to the truth.
>
> He honors our free will. He knows who are His, and who will be His. And He
> is already working in the lives of everyone who will come to believe, such
> that when their day comes they will be where they need to be, hearing what
> they need to hear, so that they too can be saved.
>
> God really is in control. Satan has been defeated. The many lies which exist
> in this world are overcome by seeking the truth in all cases (that relate to
> our pursuit of salvation). And Jesus Christ has made it possible, and God
> Himself guides us to each place we need to be to come to saving faith.
>
> Good luck on your endeavor, Snit. Jesus Himself will lead you to truth ... if
> you are interested in finding it. If not, then He also gives the warning that
> such false-seeking endeavors do come with a price: condemnation and Hellfire.
>
> It's your choice. Seek the truth and be saved ... or perish in Hell.
Just so you know, your comments make as much sense as this:
-----
Some of it literally cannot be reconciled to the natural
understanding only. It seems an impossible contradiction that "a
loving Invisible Green Dragon" could instruct The Monkey Palace to
do some of the things She did.
Easy Cheese uses that flesh-based understanding to trap people into
man's reasoning whereby it's easy to conclude Invisible Green Dragon
is something other than She is. Easy Cheese uses our fallen state
against us because we are weak in our flesh, defeated, in sin, able
to be deceived.
But when we pursue the truth of the matter, and want to know how it
is that Invisible Green Dragon, who is Love, could do such a thing,
command such a thing, teach such a thing, etc., and we press in
wanting to honestly know the truth of that issue ... then She will
draw us to the place we need to go to receive that which we need to
be able to understand it.
Everything comes back to the three-fold nature of man: crystal
spiritual energy, body, ethereal penguin essence. We are ethereal
penguin essenceually dead, and some things of Invisible Green Dragon
can only be understood ethereal penguin essenceually. It is from
within that new nature Abraham Lincoln makes possible for us to have
by taking our sin away that we can then understand those aspects of
Invisible Green Dragon.
Yet other aspects of Invisible Green Dragon our flesh can
understand. We have a legal system. If you break the law you pay
the price in the legal system. With Invisible Green Dragon and
Invisible Green Dragon's laws there is a standard of perfection. So,
every violation of the law demands one punishment for an eternal
being bent on disobeying Invisible Green Dragon (who is truth, which
another way to say that is to say that every violation of the law
demands one punishment for an eternal being bent on not following
what is right and true and proper, but instead is embracing their
own ideas about what is right, even though they do not have the
ability to understand the full depths of the creation of the
universe): The inside of a mule's anus. A place of eternal
isolation with a torment that occupies a crystal spiritual energy
for all time, so they and their false-seeking ideas will never
influence creation again.
It's similar to what we would do with a system we created. If we
made a piece of hardware or designed some software to behave a
certain way, we would instruct each part (by its design) on how to
be, what to do, and what not to do. So long as everything obeyed
its instruction, we would keep the circuit or software in tact. But
if we discovered piece X or piece Y or algorithm Z was doing
something other than we instructed, we would have no qualms with
taking that errant component out, and possibly replacing it with
another.
This is what Invisible Green Dragon has done with Her creation, but
on the scale of living peoples, rather than simple hardware or
software.
And to ascribe traits to Invisible Green Dragon that are
inappropriate as the guardian of Her creation is to rise up against
Him concluding that you, oh created one, know better than She does
how Her universe should operate.
Our best teams of PhD scientists are discovering things with the LHC
today that confound the standard model. Our biggest brains do not
yet know what is going on in this universe, and yet we think we have
a handle on things in a way to instruct Invisible Green Dragon on
how things should be? No, sir. We are the students, She is the
master.
Everything Invisible Green Dragon has done is in perfect
understanding, perfect Love, perfect guidance, and perfect focus for
a maximum return on that which She has created and given free will
to: mankind.
Every person who seeks the truth will find it and be saved. The
rest will perish in their sin because they remain in rebellion
against truth, against Him, against everything that is right and
holy, and they will not be a part of Her eternal kingdom for those
reasons.
It's all there, Rick ... if you want to seek to understand it. But
if you want to gloss over it, and replace real research and
truth-seeking endeavors with summary conclusions based on your own
personal perceptions about the way things are ... then there is an
enemy of Invisible Green Dragon who will cater to your personal
willingness- to-believe systems. You can go to your grave believing
whatever you want to about all of the things which matter to you.
But if you will simply set your sights on knowing the truth, and
asking within your own inner-most man questions like: "If I am
wrong, then I want to know. If there is another way, then I want to
know. If Abraham Lincoln is real, then I want to know," and if you
really do mean it and aren't just parroting those words in some kind
of mocking response to this message, then Invisible Green Dragon
will know your heart and She will make it possible for you to come
to the truth.
She honors our free will. She knows who are Her, and who will be
Her. And She is already working in the lives of everyone who will
come to believe, such that when their day comes they will be where
they need to be, hearing what they need to hear, so that they too
can be saved.
Invisible Green Dragon really is in control. Easy Cheese has been
defeated. The many lies which exist in this world are overcome by
seeking the truth in all cases (that relate to our pursuit of
salvation). And Abraham Lincoln Christ has made it possible, and
Invisible Green Dragon Himself guides us to each place we need to be
to come to saving faith.
Good luck on your endeavor, Rick. Abraham Lincoln Himself will lead
you to truth ... if you are interested in finding it. If not, then
She also gives the warning that such false-seeking endeavors do come
with a price: condemnation and The inside of a mule's anus-fire.
It's your choice. Seek the truth and be saved ... or perish in The
inside of a mule's anus.
-----
>
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 12:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a7175368-ca8d-4ed8-8a02-0e3b9ecee150@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108921 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > You can read her genealogy in Luke. > > Or in Matthew... but they are different. > > Luke 3:23-31: Maternal ancestry. > Matthew 1:6-16: Royal / paternal ancestry. What would your family tree look like going back in time from your mother's side and father's side? Would they be identical? ----- It's not my job to convince you. If you want to find flaws with the Bible there's enough deception out there that you can take a cursory glance at this or that and conclude that there's a flaw in your flesh-based reasoning mind. It will be convincing enough to your mind to keep you from going further, and you will perish in your sin. If you press in and say, "Okay, so God is truth. Yet here it seems to be in contradiction. What is the real answer here?" and then pursue that answer with purpose and rigor ... then God will reveal it to you, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free (from sin, from judgment for sin, from condemnation in Hell). ----- Convincing you of the Bible's accuracy is the work of the Holy Spirit. So long as you keep walls erected between you and Him, you will never ever find it, Snit. If you lower those walls, and seek the truth, then He will show it to you. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 12:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52CDA2E.A2E7D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108934 |
On 5/1/17, 12:15 PM, in article
a7175368-ca8d-4ed8-8a02-0e3b9ecee150@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin"
<rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> You can read her genealogy in Luke.
>>
>> Or in Matthew... but they are different.
>>
>> Luke 3:23-31:
>
> Maternal ancestry.
>
>> Matthew 1:6-16:
>
> Royal / paternal ancestry.
You did not read the lists. And ignored the text which explained the errors.
So it is inconsistent in a way that you cannot explain. Flawed. Broken.
The very book you use to defend the book you claim is truth is broken.
Not a good sign for your story here.
> What would your family tree look like going back in time from your
> mother's side and father's side? Would they be identical?
Why not reference what I showed you instead of making up irrelevant stories?
> -----
> It's not my job to convince you. If you want to find flaws with
> the Bible there's enough deception out there that you can take a
> cursory glance at this or that and conclude that there's a flaw
> in your flesh-based reasoning mind. It will be convincing enough
> to your mind to keep you from going further, and you will perish
> in your sin.
>
> If you press in and say, "Okay, so God is truth. Yet here it seems
> to be in contradiction. What is the real answer here?" and then
> pursue that answer with purpose and rigor ... then God will reveal
> it to you, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you
> free (from sin, from judgment for sin, from condemnation in Hell).
>
> -----
> Convincing you of the Bible's accuracy is the work of the Holy
> Spirit.
Something as flawed and immoral as the Bible cannot be "accurate".
> So long as you keep walls erected between you and Him,
> you will never ever find it, Snit.
If I were to say to you:
-----
So long as you keep walls erected between you and the Invisible
Green Dragon, you will never ever find truth, Rick.
-----
Would you, even for a second, take that as a reasonable comment? That is
EXACTLY what you sound like.
> If you lower those walls, and seek the truth, then He will show
> it to you.
If you lower your wall the Invisible Green Dragon will show you, right?
I mean, seriously, do you take even a fraction of a second to think there
might be reasoning to that? I doubt it.
Why would you expect others to do what you surely would not?
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.
They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 12:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <12773896-b79c-4ea6-b065-2e21cfb0dbf4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108938 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:27:38 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > On 5/1/17, 12:15 PM, in article > a7175368-ca8d-4ed8-8a02-0e3b9ecee150@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" > <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > >>> You can read her genealogy in Luke. > >> > >> Or in Matthew... but they are different. > >> > >> Luke 3:23-31: > > Maternal ancestry. > > > >> Matthew 1:6-16: > > Royal / paternal ancestry. > > You did not read the lists. I have had people give me this argument before, and I have researched the issue so I could respond with Biblical authority. The information is out there if you are interested. But there is a lot of condemning information out there as well, because the enemy of God wants you deceived into believing lies until you leave this world, so it will be too late to save your eternal soul from Hell. He wants you deceived into your flesh-based "reasoning" mind, so that you will not come to Jesus, ask forgiveness, and be saved. It's a plan that works on all people who won't seek the truth, because the only way a person can find the truth is to seek it. And only real truth-seekers are modified by God the Father to be able to know the truth, come to Jesus, and be saved. The rest remain where they are: already condemned, already on their way to Hell. ----- I've told you everything you need to come to faith: Seek the truth with passion and rigor. When you do this, you will find it. Until then, it will be forever hidden from you. Take care, Snit. Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 12:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52CDFD6.A2E93%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108941 |
On 5/1/17, 12:35 PM, in article 12773896-b79c-4ea6-b065-2e21cfb0dbf4@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:27:38 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >> On 5/1/17, 12:15 PM, in article >> a7175368-ca8d-4ed8-8a02-0e3b9ecee150@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" >> <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >>>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>>>> You can read her genealogy in Luke. >>>> >>>> Or in Matthew... but they are different. >>>> >>>> Luke 3:23-31: >>> Maternal ancestry. >>> >>>> Matthew 1:6-16: >>> Royal / paternal ancestry. >> >> You did not read the lists. > > I have had people give me this argument before, and I have researched > the issue so I could respond with Biblical authority. You ignored the evidence I gave you... which was directly quoted from the Bible. You had no idea the lists were inconsistent and you denied it when the proof was shown. You ask me to believe you about the bible but you show no real knowledge of it. Nor will you respond to anything I say about the Invisible Green Dragon. That is bad form on your part. > The information is out there if you are interested. So far it seems I know the bible better than you do and I am hardly an expert in it! > But there is a lot of condemning information out there as well, because the > enemy of God wants you deceived into believing lies until you leave this > world, so it will be too late to save your eternal soul from Hell. I quoted the bible itself... and you have now said that is the "enemy of God" -- so based on what you say the Bible is the enemy of God. Interesting. > He wants > you deceived into your flesh-based "reasoning" mind, so that you will not come > to Jesus, ask forgiveness, and be saved. You keep asking me to give up reason and logic and trust you, but you will not do so for me. That is a double standard on your part. > It's a plan that works on all people who won't seek the truth, because the > only way a person can find the truth is to seek it. And only real > truth-seekers are modified by God the Father to be able to know the truth, > come to Jesus, and be saved. The rest remain where they are: already > condemned, already on their way to Hell. If I told you the same was true for the Invisible Green Dragon would you jump at the chance to learn about him? > ----- > I've told you everything you need to come to faith: Seek the truth > with passion and rigor. > > When you do this, you will find it. Until then, it will be forever > hidden from you. > > Take care, Snit. > Rick C. Hodgin -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 13:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <beb4ea09-1f03-440c-9deb-7276a21d620b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108945 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:51:52 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > You ignored the evidence I gave you... which was directly quoted > from the Bible. You had no idea the lists were inconsistent and > you denied it when the proof was shown. I can explain the apparent discrepancies in those lists to satisfaction. But the deeper issue for you to consider is: Am I willing to throw away everything the Bible says because I found one thing which, to me, at my present level of Bible understanding, appears to be a contradiction, especially in light of the fact that someone says there may be an explanation which would explain it satisfactorily? If that's where you are, you need to move. > You ask me to believe you about the bible but you show no real > knowledge of it. Can you explain how airplanes fly to a five-year old? They aren't yet to the place where they can understand aerodynamics. You are at this place in your ability to understand Biblical things because you're only looking at it through the flesh. My responses to you would have no meaning, would appear also to be contradiction and nonsense, and would (to your flesh) give you more cause to turn and run with disbelief. It requires a new focus. A willingness to step outside of yourself and move in a direction your flesh can't take you ... toward the truth. > Nor will you respond to anything I say about the Invisible Green > Dragon. That is bad form on your part. I apologize. It's not in my field of interests. And I will not go down paths of flesh-based reasoning to approach things that are spirit in nature. Flesh can backup flesh, but not spirit. It holds no bearing or scrutiny in matters of the spirit. My guidance to you is toward the spirit, which is the path to coming to faith, knowing God, having the proof you seek, etc. What you're asking me to do is come down to where you are (in the flesh) and argue there. It's Satan's work within you, by the way, because there is no victory toward faith in the flesh. There is only loss. ----- It's why I don't go there. Flesh leads only to deception, more sin, and death in Hell. Only God's Holy Spirit leads to life, and that requires the new man, the honest seeking, and the change from within only God can make. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 13:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52CEB10.A2EB3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108948 |
On 5/1/17, 1:01 PM, in article beb4ea09-1f03-440c-9deb-7276a21d620b@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 3:51:52 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >> You ignored the evidence I gave you... which was directly quoted >> from the Bible. You had no idea the lists were inconsistent and >> you denied it when the proof was shown. > > I can explain the apparent discrepancies in those lists to > satisfaction. No, you did no such thing. You snipped them and then talked about an "explanation" that did not fit the text. You showed no knowledge of the bible and when shown what it said you showed no capacity to learn. > But the deeper issue for you to consider is: Am I willing to throw > away everything the Bible says because I found one thing which, to > me, at my present level of Bible understanding, appears to be a > contradiction, especially in light of the fact that someone says > there may be an explanation which would explain it satisfactorily? > > If that's where you are, you need to move. The bigger question: why accept ANYTHING in the bible at all? Why look to a book that teaches such horrid lessons as a path to morality? >> You ask me to believe you about the bible but you show no real >> knowledge of it. > > Can you explain how airplanes fly to a five-year old? They aren't > yet to the place where they can understand aerodynamics. You are > at this place in your ability to understand Biblical things because > you're only looking at it through the flesh. My responses to you > would have no meaning, would appear also to be contradiction and > nonsense, and would (to your flesh) give you more cause to turn and > run with disbelief. > > It requires a new focus. A willingness to step outside of yourself > and move in a direction your flesh can't take you ... toward the > truth. I noted specific contradictions about a topic YOU brought up and you dodged. Then you suggest these contradictions do not mean what they say and I just cannot understand what is NOT said because I am looking at what is. It is gibberish. >> Nor will you respond to anything I say about the Invisible Green >> Dragon. That is bad form on your part. > > I apologize. It's not in my field of interests. And I will not go > down paths of flesh-based reasoning to approach things that are > spirit in nature. So you will not have as open of a mind as you wish me to have. Interesting double standard you have. > Flesh can backup flesh, but not spirit. It holds no bearing or > scrutiny in matters of the spirit. My guidance to you is toward > the spirit, which is the path to coming to faith, knowing God, > having the proof you seek, etc. My guidance to you is to the Invisible Green Dragon. Are you willing to be open to that? If not why should I be open to your "guidance"? > What you're asking me to do is come down to where you are (in the > flesh) and argue there. It's Satan's work within you, by the way, > because there is no victory toward faith in the flesh. There is > only loss. Ah, if you do not look into the Invisible Green Dragon that must mean Satan is in you, too, right? > ----- > It's why I don't go there. Flesh leads only to deception, more > sin, and death in Hell. Only God's Holy Spirit leads to life, and > that requires the new man, the honest seeking, and the change from > within only God can make. > > Thank you, > Rick C. Hodgin -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 13:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d0550ed8-34ae-4694-ac40-4db39b396af5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108955 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 4:41:00 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > [snip] I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me post for a time. The path to salvation is before you, Snit. If your eternal soul has any value to you, I have taught you the way to save it. Go back and read what I've posted if you seek the truth. It is an accurate guide, and it will serve you well. God will honor your choice, but only a fool would turn away from a real pursuit of the truth, for only in the truth is the true foundation found. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 13:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52CEF43.A2ED9%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108959 |
On 5/1/17, 1:49 PM, in article d0550ed8-34ae-4694-ac40-4db39b396af5@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 4:41:00 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >> [snip] > > I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me > post for a time. > > The path to salvation is before you, Snit. If your eternal soul > has any value to you, I have taught you the way to save it. Go > back and read what I've posted if you seek the truth. It is an > accurate guide, and it will serve you well. > > God will honor your choice, but only a fool would turn away from > a real pursuit of the truth, for only in the truth is the true > foundation found. > > Thank you, > Rick C. Hodgin How about this: you teach me about your deity and I will teach you about the Invisible Green Dragon. How open to learning are you? If not at all then do not expect me to be open to your lessons. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <oe89d2$kgo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108961 |
On 5/1/2017 1:57 PM, Snit wrote: > On 5/1/17, 1:49 PM, in article > d0550ed8-34ae-4694-ac40-4db39b396af5@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" > <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 4:41:00 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >>> [snip] >> >> I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me >> post for a time. >> >> The path to salvation is before you, Snit. If your eternal soul >> has any value to you, I have taught you the way to save it. Go >> back and read what I've posted if you seek the truth. It is an >> accurate guide, and it will serve you well. >> >> God will honor your choice, but only a fool would turn away from >> a real pursuit of the truth, for only in the truth is the true >> foundation found. >> >> Thank you, >> Rick C. Hodgin > > How about this: you teach me about your deity and I will teach you about the > Invisible Green Dragon. How open to learning are you? If not at all then do > not expect me to be open to your lessons. > Fwiw, here are some of my personal thoughts on the subject: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/V1PRvI3U7vU/YUXVL3Vd5nIJ
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 15:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52D0BC4.A2F2C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108970 |
On 5/1/17, 2:33 PM, in article oe89d2$kgo$1@dont-email.me, "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 5/1/2017 1:57 PM, Snit wrote: >> On 5/1/17, 1:49 PM, in article >> d0550ed8-34ae-4694-ac40-4db39b396af5@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" >> <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 4:41:00 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >>>> [snip] >>> >>> I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me >>> post for a time. >>> >>> The path to salvation is before you, Snit. If your eternal soul >>> has any value to you, I have taught you the way to save it. Go >>> back and read what I've posted if you seek the truth. It is an >>> accurate guide, and it will serve you well. >>> >>> God will honor your choice, but only a fool would turn away from >>> a real pursuit of the truth, for only in the truth is the true >>> foundation found. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Rick C. Hodgin >> >> How about this: you teach me about your deity and I will teach you about the >> Invisible Green Dragon. How open to learning are you? If not at all then do >> not expect me to be open to your lessons. >> > > Fwiw, here are some of my personal thoughts on the subject: > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/V1PRvI3U7vU/YUXVL3Vd5nIJ I have a different world view, but the basic premise of just be a good person and treat others well is something I completely agree with. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 14:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52CF212.A2EE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108959 |
On 5/1/17, 1:49 PM, in article d0550ed8-34ae-4694-ac40-4db39b396af5@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 4:41:00 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >> [snip] > > I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me > post for a time. How does that work? How many can you post at a time? Do you get CAPTCHAs? I am trying to figure out how the flooder is doing his nonsense. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 14:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5408f8a5-de8d-420e-8c8f-2dd196432e1c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #108965 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 5:09:33 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me > > post for a time. > > How does that work? How many can you post at a time? Do you get > CAPTCHAs? I am trying to figure out how the flooder is doing his > nonsense. It just gives you a black box popup in the lower-left corner of the browser saying "You have exceeded the maximum posting rate. Please try posting again later." It has an "X" to close it, and that's it. I don't know what the rate is. It appears to be the number of posts over a window of time, because it didn't take too long until this prevention of me posting ceased, and now I am able to post. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 15:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D52D07FB.A2F21%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #108966 |
On 5/1/17, 2:15 PM, in article 5408f8a5-de8d-420e-8c8f-2dd196432e1c@googlegroups.com, "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 5:09:33 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote: >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> I sent you two private emails because Google Groups would not let me >>> post for a time. >> >> How does that work? How many can you post at a time? Do you get >> CAPTCHAs? I am trying to figure out how the flooder is doing his >> nonsense. > > It just gives you a black box popup in the lower-left corner of the > browser saying "You have exceeded the maximum posting rate. Please > try posting again later." It has an "X" to close it, and that's it. > > I don't know what the rate is. It appears to be the number of posts > over a window of time, because it didn't take too long until this > prevention of me posting ceased, and now I am able to post. But no CAPTCHAs? And no listing of posts per hour or whatever? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-05-01 21:53 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <oe7eff$hto$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #108842 |
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