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| Started by | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-11-05 22:09 +0800 |
| Last post | 2016-11-13 09:57 -0800 |
| Articles | 6 on this page of 46 — 10 participants |
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[OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 22:09 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-05 14:14 -0400
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 16:04 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 16:15 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2016-11-06 19:31 +0100
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-06 14:07 -0500
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2016-11-06 20:17 +0100
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-06 11:56 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-06 15:01 -0500
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-06 20:32 +0000
Here or in a RPi dedicated forum? (Was: [OT] What can we talk about here?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-11-07 16:08 +0000
Re: Here or in a RPi dedicated forum? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 19:31 +0000
Re: Here or in a RPi dedicated forum? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-11-07 21:17 +0000
Re: Here or in a RPi dedicated forum? "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-07 19:13 -0500
Re: Here or in a RPi dedicated forum? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 10:17 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 16:31 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 06:00 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 06:06 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 22:08 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 06:22 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 22:31 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 06:37 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 06:53 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:06 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:12 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:19 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:22 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:24 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:26 +0800
Inheritance and single point of failure "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:28 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:20 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:22 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:29 -0800
[OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:36 +0800
Re: [OT] fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:46 -0800
Re: [OT] fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:49 -0800
Re: [OT] Time to sleep! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:51 +0800
Re: [OT] Time to sleep! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 23:52 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 07:58 -0800
Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 01:37 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-06 14:25 +0000
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 22:33 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 22:35 +0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-06 12:16 -0800
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-06 20:02 +0000
Re: [OT] What can we talk about here? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-11-13 09:57 -0800
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| From | BartC <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-06 14:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nvneg8$has$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95924 |
On 06/11/2016 14:08, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 6/11/2016 10:06 PM, fir wrote:
>>
>> i could practically like to discuss javascript here
>> (im serious - this is becouse i qould find interesting to discuss
>> javascript on a ground of c-like way of viewing things ) but it will
>> not go from the reason i talked befrore - just not enough people able
>> of interested
>
> Javascript syntax does look like C. I think even Java looks like C.
>
A lot of languages copied C's {,} brace style. So they all look like C
at first glance. (Although oddly, C itself does not always insist on them.)
This is all great if you're a fan of {,}. If not then it's a little
depressing as eventually all languages will use {,}, and not just
because you can't tell which is which!
--
Bartc
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-06 22:33 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <nvneuq$ii4$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95927 |
On 6/11/2016 10:25 PM, BartC wrote:
> A lot of languages copied C's {,} brace style. So they all look like C
> at first glance. (Although oddly, C itself does not always insist on them.)
>
> This is all great if you're a fan of {,}. If not then it's a little
> depressing as eventually all languages will use {,}, and not just
> because you can't tell which is which!
It's called obfuscation, to create ambiguities, to create generation
gaps between programmers , to divide and conquer! :)
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-06 22:35 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <nvnf2b$ii4$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #95927 |
On 6/11/2016 10:25 PM, BartC wrote:
>
> A lot of languages copied C's {,} brace style. So they all look like C
> at first glance. (Although oddly, C itself does not always insist on them.)
>
> This is all great if you're a fan of {,}. If not then it's a little
> depressing as eventually all languages will use {,}, and not just
> because you can't tell which is which!
BTW, remember the story of Babylon in the Old Testament, about God using
languages to divide people so that they distrusted each others and
killed themselves?
OK, I don't wanna go way off-topic before some guardians walked in. :)
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-11-06 12:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lnoa1stldk.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #95930 |
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
> On 6/11/2016 10:25 PM, BartC wrote:
>> A lot of languages copied C's {,} brace style. So they all look like C
>> at first glance. (Although oddly, C itself does not always insist on them.)
>>
>> This is all great if you're a fan of {,}. If not then it's a little
>> depressing as eventually all languages will use {,}, and not just
>> because you can't tell which is which!
>
> BTW, remember the story of Babylon in the Old Testament, about God using
> languages to divide people so that they distrusted each others and
> killed themselves?
>
> OK, I don't wanna go way off-topic before some guardians walked in. :)
Many readers will likely not be interested in what I'm about to say.
I encourage them to stop reading now.
There are no guardians, just individual participants who would like
to use this newsgroup for its intended purpose, discussing the C
programming language, without too much noise.
Think of comp.lang.c as a meeting where a bunch of people have gotten
together to discuss a certain topic. (This isn't a perfect analogy,
but bear with me.) Some of us have been here for a very long time.
We're here because we want to discuss that topic. We've always had
a few people trying to disrupt the discussion, but we've generally
dealt with them reasonably well by ignoring them.
Just recently, *you've* walked into the room, with no experience
participating in the meeting, and started talking. You've engaged
with the people trying to disrupt the conversation, sometimes
by asking them to stay on topic (while the experienced members
repeatedly ask you not to do that because we know it doesn't help),
and sometimes engaging with them on whatever nonsense they want to
talk about. Meanwhile, the rest of us are asking you to either
participate in the discussion we came here for or to be quiet.
I have done so both publicly and via e-mail.
Perhaps you're just lacking in self-control. Perhaps you think
you provide enough entertainment value to justify the noise you're
creating while the rest of us are trying to have serious discussions.
But in fact, you are simply creating noise, and I see no real
difference between you and the blatant trolls.
And, perhaps just as bad as all that, you're *boring*.
*PLONK*
In case you don't understand what that means, I am adding you to my
killfile. (Technically it's a scorefile, but that doesn't matter.)
I am configuring my newsreader so it will no longer show me anything
you say. I will not see anything you post unless someone else
quotes you in a followup (which, frankly, I hope nobody does).
If you start posting thoughtful and topical articles, I will
neither see them nor reply to them. I am not being a "guardian",
I am simply adjusting my own personal view of this newsgroup to
exclude you, because in my considered opinion comp.lang.c will be
better without you than with you.
If you continue, you will still hurt this newsgroup, because other
readers who haven't chosen to killfile you will still see your
useless noise. I still hope you'll reconsider, but this is the
last time I'll try to persuade you to do so.
Buh-bye.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-11-06 20:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87k2cgbcmh.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #95927 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 06/11/2016 14:08, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
<snip>
>> Javascript syntax does look like C. I think even Java looks like C.
>
> A lot of languages copied C's {,} brace style.
And C copied B's brace style. The later languages were, I agree,
influenced by C rather B, so in that sense it's C's style they copied.
<snip>
--
Ben.
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| From | Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-11-13 09:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <kfn7f87uusn.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu> |
| In reply to | #95831 |
I will offer some general comments on the subject of deciding what might be suitable for posting in this newsgroup. Different people have different ideas of what is "topical" for a newsgroup. I don't think of it that way. Rather, I ask myself the question, Is this something that most people who might visit the newsgroup would probably be interested in? Those who come to comp.lang.c nominally expect postings to be about the C language, either what the language allows or how might one accomplish some particular programming task within those boundaries. Topics that fall completely within that perimeter are non-controversial, and fairly easy to identify. The problem that comes up is when a topic relates to C only tangentially or peripherally. Here again though I think the right way to approach the question is to ask if the topic is one that is likely to appeal to a majority of a group of people, knowing only that people in the group are drawn by an interest in the C language, and may not have much else in common. Of course, every newsgroup drifts around a little bit, and comp.lang.c is no exception to that. So in addition to looking at the binary question, it's good to have a more continuous metric in cases where "on-topicness" falls below, oh, let's say 0.95. In my perception this space has at least three axes: (a) how far afield is it; (b) how emphatic or voluminous is the "not of general interest" material; and (c) how often does a given person tend to wander off from the main interest of the group. For most people the answers are typically not very far, not especially much, and not too often. There are a few bad apples for whom the answers are quite far, way too much, and/or way too often. An analogy that just popped into my head is our solar system. Most people are like the inner planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth - fairly close to the center, and pretty reliably. Some people are more like the outer planets - kind of in the same general area, but more on the fringes than in the center. Then there the comets - they make an appearance near the center every now and then, but mostly are off in deep space, looking out into the universe at large or smashing into other comets. So to give an answer of sorts to your question - if you want to be part of the group, try to stay inside the radius of the Mars orbit or the asteroid belt. On the other hand, if you don't mind people thinking of you as an inconsiderate self-centered lout, and acting accordingly (mostly by ignoring), feel free to wander off wherever the tidal forces move you. My own preference - which sometimes requires a conscious effort on my part - is to stay in near the center, and I recommend that to you.
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