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lalloc() -- local stack allocation

Started by"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
First post2015-07-12 02:23 -0700
Last post2015-07-28 08:35 -0700
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  lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 02:23 -0700
    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-07-12 11:48 +0200
      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-07-12 11:48 +0200
    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-07-12 13:33 +0200
    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-12 06:54 -0500
    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-12 06:17 -0700
      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-07-12 16:47 +0200
        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-12 11:12 -0700
        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-08 11:53 -0700
          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 12:16 -0700
            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-08 15:46 -0700
              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 16:12 -0700
                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-09 06:53 -0700
                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:06 -0700
                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-09 16:17 -0700
                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:26 -0700
                        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-09 19:22 -0700
                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 19:55 -0700
                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-09 20:46 -0700
                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-09 20:50 -0700
                                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-11 23:59 -0700
                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 06:22 -0700
                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 21:10 -0700
                                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-10 07:08 -0700
                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 08:17 -0700
                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-10 08:54 -0700
                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 09:19 -0700
                                        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-10 16:55 -0700
                                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 18:41 -0700
                                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-11 09:04 -0700
                                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 10:17 -0700
                                                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-11 11:34 -0700
                                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 11:47 -0700
                                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-11 13:44 -0700
                                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 17:52 -0700
                                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-11 11:37 -0700
                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-09-10 08:24 -0400
                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 05:55 -0700
                                RDC (Was: lalloc() -- local stack allocation) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-10 13:01 +0000
                                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-09-11 00:29 -0400
                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 05:37 -0700
                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-09-11 22:48 -0400
                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 20:05 -0700
                                        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 20:22 -0700
                                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-12 11:57 +0200
                                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 04:34 -0700
                                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 07:28 -0700
                                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 05:44 -0700
                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 13:02 +1200
                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 18:25 -0700
                                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 13:42 +1200
                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 19:11 -0700
                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-12 04:27 +0200
                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 19:44 -0700
                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-11 23:01 -0400
                                        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-12 11:12 +0100
                                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 05:55 -0700
                                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-12 14:16 +0100
                                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 06:24 -0700
                                                Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-12 10:57 -0700
                                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 11:13 -0700
                                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 19:31 +0100
                                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-12 19:20 +0000
                                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:06 -0700
                                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-12 14:24 -0700
                                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 19:22 -0700
                                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 14:54 +1200
                                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 20:18 -0700
                                        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 16:20 +1200
                                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 05:43 -0700
                                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-12 14:02 -0700
                                  Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-09-12 04:25 +0200
                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-09-12 10:32 +0100
                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-09 16:23 -0700
                      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:38 -0700
                        Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-09 17:01 -0700
                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 17:08 -0700
                            Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-09 17:37 -0700
                              Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 18:06 -0700
                          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-09-10 10:54 +0100
                    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-09 16:24 -0700
          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-08 20:32 +0100
          Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation jadill33@gmail.com - 2015-09-08 13:25 -0700
    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-12 10:17 -0700
    Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation gordonb.zziiu@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-07-27 22:41 -0500
      Re: lalloc() -- local stack allocation Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-28 08:35 -0700

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#70088

Fromsupercat@casperkitty.com
Date2015-09-09 16:24 -0700
Message-ID<52630a27-3c25-4a77-8170-cc0ccc87538c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#70081
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> There are definitely workable solutions to allow allocation and
> de-allocation.  However, I still think the purpose of lalloc() would
> be in its speed and no requirement of cleanup after use.
> 
>     // char* ptr = lalloc(20);
>     mov ptr,esp
>     sub esp,20
> 
> Two assembly instructions is all that's required to get the memory
> allocated.  Compare that to the overhead of a function call to
> the stalloc() function, and then later a stfree() function, let
> alone the processing involved in walking the local heap to see
> where suitable blocks are.

  // stfree(ptr,20)
  mov esp,ptr
  add esp,20

A compiler could easily elide that immediately preceding a "mov esp,ebp" at
the end of a function, though it should be noted that using that style of
lalloc() would require that a compiler maintain a frame pointer if it has
any local variables at stack-relative addresses, making lalloc() not quite
so cheap as you suggest.

> I agree we need a stalloc() and stfree() though.  But, I think they
> should be in addition to lalloc() which may need to be renamed
> fastalloc() to convey its purpose.

My complaint about a lalloc() that doesn't require a call to a "freeing"
function is that not all platforms would be able to support it without making
breaking changes to the ABI of things like setjmp/longjmp [with the stalloc
and stfree as I've suggested, code which uses setjmp would need to do a
stalloc(0) beforehand and a corresponding stfree() to avoid a memory leak
if a longjmp() might be performed between an intermediate layer's stalloc()
and stfree(), but code which doesn't need to support such semantics would not
need to be modified.

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#69959

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2015-09-08 20:32 +0100
Message-ID<87fv2oogft.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#69952
supercat@casperkitty.com writes:

> On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Johannes Bauer wrote:
>> Which completely defies the purpose of using the system stack. Because
>> there you don't have to free because free is implicit at the end of a
>> function scope when the stackframe is cleared.
>
> A well-designed stack-allocate mechanism would have included a stack-free
> function and required that code must use it to free objects in the reverse
> order of allocation.  Such requirements would have meant that every platform
> that can run a reasonable dialect of C could support code using such
> functions merely by chaining them to "malloc" and "free", but platforms which
> can benefit from distinguishing between temporary and persistent objects
> could make use of that knowledge.  Even platforms would require that such
> objects be allocated on the heap rather than the CPU stack may be able to
> benefit from having separate functions for temporary allocations (e.g. by
> maintaining a pre-allocated area for such allocations which is separate from
> the main heap).
>
> The lack of a "free" function is bad in a number of ways:
>
> 1. It's incompatible with a pattern of "read size, allocate array, read and
>    process data, release array, read next size, etc." since memory that gets
>    stack-allocated within a method can't be freed.
>
> 2. On many platforms it makes it impossible to use a compatibility library
>    to allow code which is written to use alloca() to be run on a platforms
>    which doesn't include explicit support for it.
>
> 3. Unless a compiler adds some rather sophisticated alloca-related support,
>    it precludes the possibility of alloca() using a heap allocation rather
>    than a stack allocation in cases where stack memory is scarce.
>
> Having a function which allocates memory take care of releasing it isn't
> hard, and while I could see semantic benefit to having a compiler squawk if
> stack-allocate/stack-free calls aren't balanced, I don't see any upside to
> the implicit freeing of alloca() memory which are even remotely close to
> outweighing the drawbacks.

I'm not good at assessing advantages and drawbacks, but you can always
make yourself use such a language (in fact I have done so, knowing that
alloca is fast on some target systems and simply absent in others).
I.e. you write salloc and sfree which are either malloc and free or are
alloca and an empty stub.  It's not the same as having mandated features
of course, but I suspect its the kind of thing that is considered by
standards committees.  (And if I understand the intent, you don't get
number 3 as that's on the implementation side.)

-- 
Ben.

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#69970

Fromjadill33@gmail.com
Date2015-09-08 13:25 -0700
Message-ID<d9a9d392-22db-4f93-bf65-9e219bec9249@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#69952
On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at 2:54:18 PM UTC-4, supe...@casperkitty.com wrote:
> On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 9:47:45 AM UTC-5, Johannes Bauer wrote:
> > Which completely defies the purpose of using the system stack. Because
> > there you don't have to free because free is implicit at the end of a
> > function scope when the stackframe is cleared.
> 
> A well-designed stack-allocate mechanism would have included a stack-free
> function and required that code must use it to free objects in the reverse
> order of allocation.  Such requirements would have meant that every platform
> that can run a reasonable dialect of C could support code using such
> functions merely by chaining them to "malloc" and "free", but platforms which
> can benefit from distinguishing between temporary and persistent objects
> could make use of that knowledge.  Even platforms would require that such
> objects be allocated on the heap rather than the CPU stack may be able to
> benefit from having separate functions for temporary allocations (e.g. by
> maintaining a pre-allocated area for such allocations which is separate from
> the main heap).
> 
> The lack of a "free" function is bad in a number of ways:
> 
> 1. It's incompatible with a pattern of "read size, allocate array, read and
>    process data, release array, read next size, etc." since memory that gets
>    stack-allocated within a method can't be freed.
> 
> 2. On many platforms it makes it impossible to use a compatibility library
>    to allow code which is written to use alloca() to be run on a platforms
>    which doesn't include explicit support for it.
> 
> 3. Unless a compiler adds some rather sophisticated alloca-related support,
>    it precludes the possibility of alloca() using a heap allocation rather
>    than a stack allocation in cases where stack memory is scarce.
> 
> Having a function which allocates memory take care of releasing it isn't
> hard, and while I could see semantic benefit to having a compiler squawk if
> stack-allocate/stack-free calls aren't balanced, I don't see any upside to
> the implicit freeing of alloca() memory which are even remotely close to
> outweighing the drawbacks.

It is possible to declare a buffer within a local scope and do your own
memory management without resorting to alloca.  The only tricky part in
creating your own region allocator is getting the alignment constraints
correct, but I can't see reason why you couldn't do something like this:

\code snippet
int r_levenshtein( const char* s1, const char* s2 )
{
  int distance;

  size_t m, n;
  int* proximity_matrix;

  struct c_region pm_region;
  unsigned char pm_workspace[sizeof (int) * 64];
  bool malloc_used = false;

  c_return_value_if_fail( s1 != NULL, -1 );
  c_return_value_if_fail( s2 != NULL, -1 );

  m = strlen( s1 );
  n = strlen( s2 );

  /* If one of the strings is empty "", the edit distance is equal to
     the length of the non-empty string. */
  if ( m == 0 || n == 0 ) {
    return m + n;
  }

  c_region_initialize( &pm_region, pm_workspace, sizeof pm_workspace );

  ++m;
  ++n;
  proximity_matrix = c_region_allocate( &pm_region,
                                        sizeof (int) * m * n,
                                        alignof (int) );
  if ( proximity_matrix == NULL )
  {
    proximity_matrix = malloc( sizeof (int) * m * n );
    malloc_used = true;
  }
  else {
    ++small_buffer_optimization;
  }

  if ( proximity_matrix )
  {
    gc_compute_levenshtein_matrix( proximity_matrix, m, n, s1, s2 );
    distance = proximity_matrix[m*n-1];

    if ( malloc_used ) {
      free( proximity_matrix );
    }
  }
  else {
    distance = -1;
  }

  return distance;
}
\endcode

I snipped this from some test code where I was experimenting with my
region allocator.  It sacrifices the speed of alloca, but has the
capability to "rewind" the region pointer to reclaim memory, and you
still get auto cleanup for smaller string comparisons.

There was a thread a (long) while ago where Chris Thomasson was doing
some region allocation stuff that may be of interest.

Best regards,
John D.

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#65425

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam>
Date2015-07-12 10:17 -0700
Message-ID<mnu7fa$v6f$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#65394
> "Rick C. Hodgin"  wrote in message 
> news:e9abe69a-2532-44f3-be7b-aaa236783cfb@googlegroups.com...
> Does C define a type of lalloc() function for local / stack allocation?
> On x86 (which has an expand-down stack):

[...]

No. However, and FWIW, here is a "hack" at a region allocator I wrote a 
while
back that can be fed with a buffer on the stack:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.C/7oaJFWKVCTw/sSWYU9BUS_QJ

http://pastebin.com/f37a23918

Unfortunately, it uses some non-portable trickery wrt alignment...

Yikes!

;^o


Also, VLA's might be of use to you but I believe they are optional. 

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#66471

Fromgordonb.zziiu@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)
Date2015-07-27 22:41 -0500
Message-ID<oJednSrtZtp2ZCvInZ2dnUU7-KWdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica>
In reply to#65394
> Does C define a type of lalloc() function for local / stack allocation?

No.

It sounds like you are talking about the GNU alloca() function.
I encountered it long before C11's optional run-time-dimensioned
arrays.

1.  You can trivially define alloca(x) to call malloc(x).  Ignore
the memory leaks, full speed ahead.  You really get no advantages
from this.

2.  alloca() is really intended to use the stack pointer (yes, we
know some implementations don't have one), and automatically free
allocated memory on return of the function in which it is invoked.
You lose a lot of the speed advantage if you insist that alloca()
return NULL on stack overflow.

It's supposed to work to allocate memory inside a loop, so you have
to keep track of how much memory was allocated, or save and restore
the stack pointer at function entry and exit.

It is pretty much impossible to implement an alloca() nontrivially
that works without compiler special treatment of the function.  (If
you are writing your own compiler, that's not a problem.  If you
are trying to retrofit it to an existing compiler, even if you have
source code, it may not be so easy.) A naive compiler will badly
mis-generate code for a function call where the arguments each call
alloca() and the number of arguments well exceeds the square of the
number of (temporary) registers used in passing arguments.  The
stack adjustments for alloca() and the stack adjustments for pushing
arguments on the stack for the call are going to get intermixed.

	sscanf(inputstring, 
		formatstring, 
		alloca(sizeof(int)),
		alloca(sizeof(int)),
		alloca(sizeof(int)),
		alloca(sizeof(int)),
		alloca(sizeof(int)),
...
		alloca(sizeof(double)),
		alloca(sizeof(double)),
		alloca(sizeof(double)),
		alloca(sizeof(double)),
...
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long)),
		alloca(sizeof(long long))
	)

What is worse, when I presented such a problem, the pro-alloca
camp just said "Well, don't do that", but they couldn't describe the
circumstances I would have to avoid.  A compiler which allocated
and de-allocated variables local to an inner block of a function
at block entry and exit was a potential problem.  As I recall, the
best I could come up with was:

	alloca() may be used in a statement of the following form
	in the outermost block of a function (and it's not guaranteed
	to work anywhere else, like in a loop or block with local variables):
	<pointer variable> = alloca(integer constant expression or integer variable);
	double *z;
	size_t siz;
	int	num = 54;

	z = alloca(sizeof(double));	/* OK */
	z = alloca(num*sizeof(double))	/* *NOT OK* */

	siz = num*sizeof(double); z = alloca(siz);	/* OK */

on a system where (a) the compiler does not treat alloca() specially, or
(b) the compiler treats alloca() specially to perform stack adjustments, but
takes no care whatever to check that it is not in the middle of adjusting
the stack for other purposes (e.g. pushing arguments, or allocating
local variables for inner blocks).


I recall an attempt at an implementation on a 68000 processor.  It
ended up working reasonably for some software that we were trying
to get to work, but certainly not for all cases.  Because of the
way arguments were addressed (stack-pointer-relative, not
stack-frame-pointer relative), it had to allocate 48 bytes (a
compromise value.  Worst case it could need megabytes.) extra per
call to alloca().

A slight improvement on this would read and disassemble the code
of its caller (to figure out how many registers were being
saved/restored).  This sometimes malfunctioned if the compiler did
something clever that the writers of the code hadn't run into yet.

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#66497

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2015-07-28 08:35 -0700
Message-ID<lnd1zcnvla.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#66471
gordonb.zziiu@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) writes:
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>> Does C define a type of lalloc() function for local / stack allocation?
>
> No.
>
> It sounds like you are talking about the GNU alloca() function.
> I encountered it long before C11's optional run-time-dimensioned
> arrays.

(I re-added an attribution line.)

alloca() is not specific to GNU.

Variable-length arrays were introduced in C99.  C11 made them optional.

[...]

> It's supposed to work to allocate memory inside a loop, so you have
> to keep track of how much memory was allocated, or save and restore
> the stack pointer at function entry and exit.

Does "you" here refer to the compiler? The programmer doesn't have to
keep track of any of this (other than to avoid allocating too much
memory).

> It is pretty much impossible to implement an alloca() nontrivially
> that works without compiler special treatment of the function.  (If
> you are writing your own compiler, that's not a problem.  If you
> are trying to retrofit it to an existing compiler, even if you have
> source code, it may not be so easy.) A naive compiler will badly
> mis-generate code for a function call where the arguments each call
> alloca() and the number of arguments well exceeds the square of the
> number of (temporary) registers used in passing arguments.  The
> stack adjustments for alloca() and the stack adjustments for pushing
> arguments on the stack for the call are going to get intermixed.

The Linux alloca(3) man page says:

    On many systems alloca() cannot be used inside the list of
    arguments of a function call, because the  stack  space
    reserved  by alloca() would appear on the stack in the middle
    of the space for the function arguments.

(It also says that there's no check for stack overflow; again, the
standard would describe this as undefined behavior.)

> What is worse, when I presented such a problem, the pro-alloca
> camp just said "Well, don't do that", but they couldn't describe the
> circumstances I would have to avoid.

A function argument should not include a call to alloca().

>                                       A compiler which allocated
> and de-allocated variables local to an inner block of a function
> at block entry and exit was a potential problem.

I've never heard of an implementation that would have problems calling
alloca() in an inner block, and there's no mention of any such problem
in the Linux man page.  Do you know of a specific example?

As always, I do not grant permission to quote this article without a
proper attribution line.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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