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  char? "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-04-23 14:53 -0400
    Re: char? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-04-23 15:00 -0400
      Re: char? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-23 14:55 -0700
    Re: char? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-23 13:52 -0700
      Re: char? "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-04-23 17:17 -0400
        Re: char? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-23 14:40 -0700
        Re: char? August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 12:23 +0200
          Re: char? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-24 13:38 +0000
            Re: char? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-24 12:26 -0400
              Re: char? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 10:09 -0700
              Re: char? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 10:42 +0000
    Re: char? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-04-23 14:04 -0700
      Re: char? "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-04-25 15:59 -0400
    Re: char? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-23 14:52 -0700
    Re: char? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 07:46 -0700

#60927 — char?

    I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in 
"charbroil". Is that right? Hum.

Bill

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#60929

On Thursday April 23 2015 14:53, in comp.lang.c, "Bill Cunningham"
<nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:

>     I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in
> "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.

Mu!

-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"
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#60958

In article <Vib_w.67620$iU4.2064@fx16.iad>,
 Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:

> On Thursday April 23 2015 14:53, in comp.lang.c, "Bill Cunningham"
> <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >     I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in
> > "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.
> 
> Mu!

The Lost Type System of Mu
    by Col James Churchward

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#60948

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>     I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in 
> "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.

This is covered in Seebs's Infrequently Asked Questions list,
<http://www.seebs.net/faqs/c-iaq.html>:

    19.26: How do you pronounce ``char''?

    Like the first word of ``char *''. The accent is generally on the
    first syllable.

-- 
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Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#60953

"Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message 
news:87d22uin3p.fsf@kst-u.example.com...

> This is covered in Seebs's Infrequently Asked Questions list,
> <http://www.seebs.net/faqs/c-iaq.html>:
>
>    19.26: How do you pronounce ``char''?
>
>    Like the first word of ``char *''. The accent is generally on the
>    first syllable.

I knew this was a stupid question. But I have always thought char as in 
"care" but I guess not.

Bill

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#60955

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
> "Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message 
> news:87d22uin3p.fsf@kst-u.example.com...
>> This is covered in Seebs's Infrequently Asked Questions list,
>> <http://www.seebs.net/faqs/c-iaq.html>:
>>
>>    19.26: How do you pronounce ``char''?
>>
>>    Like the first word of ``char *''. The accent is generally on the
>>    first syllable.
>
> I knew this was a stupid question. But I have always thought char as in 
> "care" but I guess not.

It's not a stupid question, just one with no definitive answer.  I've
heard at least 3 different pronunciations.  I don't think there's any
basis for saying that any one of them is "correct".

It would be interesting to know how Dennis Ritchie pronounced it, but
even that wouldn't be definitive.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#60981

On 2015-04-23 23:17, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> "Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message
> news:87d22uin3p.fsf@kst-u.example.com...
>
>> This is covered in Seebs's Infrequently Asked Questions list,
>> <http://www.seebs.net/faqs/c-iaq.html>:
>>
>>     19.26: How do you pronounce ``char''?
>>
>>     Like the first word of ``char *''. The accent is generally on the
>>     first syllable.
>
> I knew this was a stupid question. But I have always thought char as in
> "care" but I guess not.

I pronounce "char" just like the first syllable in the word "character" 
[kar]. The word "care"[kair], however, does not have the same pronunciation:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/care?s=t
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/character

But what do I know, English is not my native language.


-- August

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#60995

August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> wrote:

> I pronounce "char" just like the first syllable in the word "character" 
> [kar]. The word "care"[kair], however, does not have the same pronunciation:

IIUC, it does in some USAnian accents, and might in some Scots or Irish
accents, as well. Me, I tend to slightly aspirate the C in char, but
(obviously) not in care. Others pronounce char as if it were the word
char.

Richard

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#61013

On 04/24/2015 09:38 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
> August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I pronounce "char" just like the first syllable in the word "character" 
>> [kar]. The word "care"[kair], however, does not have the same pronunciation:
> 
> IIUC, it does in some USAnian accents, and might in some Scots or Irish
> accents, as well. Me, I tend to slightly aspirate the C in char, but
> (obviously) not in care. Others pronounce char as if it were the word
> char.

Wiktionary lists two pronunciations for character" using IPA notation:

    /ˈkʰæɹɨktɚ/, /ˈkʰɛɹɨktɚ/

It lists two pronunciations for "care":

    (Received Pronunciation) IPA(key): /kɛə/
    (General American) IPA(key): /keəɻ/

Now, I don't know how to pronounce those IPA symbols, but it's clear
that, regardless of which of those pronunciations you use, the first
syllable of "character" is pronounced significantly differently from the
only syllable of "care" - however, I've never noticed any difference
between the two.

For reference, I've lived 9 years in Illinois, 22 years in California,
and 24 years in Maryland. My pronunciation is presumably some kind of
mix of the dialects typical of those areas.

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#61017

W dniu piątek, 24 kwietnia 2015 18:27:13 UTC+2 użytkownik James Kuyper napisał:
> On 04/24/2015 09:38 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
> > August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I pronounce "char" just like the first syllable in the word "character" 
> >> [kar]. The word "care"[kair], however, does not have the same pronunciation:
> > 
> > IIUC, it does in some USAnian accents, and might in some Scots or Irish
> > accents, as well. Me, I tend to slightly aspirate the C in char, but
> > (obviously) not in care. Others pronounce char as if it were the word
> > char.
> 
> Wiktionary lists two pronunciations for character" using IPA notation:
> 
>     /ˈkʰæɹɨktɚ/, /ˈkʰɛɹɨktɚ/
> 
> It lists two pronunciations for "care":
> 
>     (Received Pronunciation) IPA(key): /kɛə/
>     (General American) IPA(key): /keəɻ/
> 
> Now, I don't know how to pronounce those IPA symbols, but it's clear
> that, regardless of which of those pronunciations you use, the first
> syllable of "character" is pronounced significantly differently from the
> only syllable of "care" - however, I've never noticed any difference
> between the two.
> 
> For reference, I've lived 9 years in Illinois, 22 years in California,
> and 24 years in Maryland. My pronunciation is presumably some kind of
> mix of the dialects typical of those areas.

BTW people seem to often forget that this is a short of character, so it could be said array of 10 characters (seem rarely used but probably acceptable) and if so even some synonim of character could be used

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#61067

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 04/24/2015 09:38 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
> > August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I pronounce "char" just like the first syllable in the word "character" 
> >> [kar]. The word "care"[kair], however, does not have the same pronunciation:
> > 
> > IIUC, it does in some USAnian accents, and might in some Scots or Irish
> > accents, as well. Me, I tend to slightly aspirate the C in char, but
> > (obviously) not in care. Others pronounce char as if it were the word
> > char.
> 
> Wiktionary lists two pronunciations for character" using IPA notation:
> 
>     /ˈkʰæɹɨktɚ/, /ˈkʰɛɹɨktɚ/
> 
> It lists two pronunciations for "care":
> 
>     (Received Pronunciation) IPA(key): /kɛə/
>     (General American) IPA(key): /keəɻ/
> 
> Now, I don't know how to pronounce those IPA symbols, but it's clear
> that, regardless of which of those pronunciations you use, the first
> syllable of "character" is pronounced significantly differently from the
> only syllable of "care" - however, I've never noticed any difference
> between the two.

That's because the pronunciations given are, as far as my knowledge of
English phonology can be trusted, the standard, careful, enunciated
pronunciations. Dialects and also common everyday speech are different,
and more often merge sounds which are distinct in RP (and sometimes vice
versa!).
The "ch" in question is a good example: many people just _don't_
aspirate the 'k' sound (which is what that superscript 'h' means) in
everyday speech, in both the UK and the USA. That is, many people do not
add a tiny, tiny outflux of breath _between_ the 'k' and the 'a' sounds,
reserving all that breath for the vowel, whichever variant of 'a' or 'e'
they use. But if you endeavour to "speak posh", you should.

Richard

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#60951

On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 7:53:52 PM UTC+1, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in 
> "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.
> 
I've heard it pronounced "char", as in a burnt steak, or "car" as in
automobile. The first appears to be more common, but I don't think
any recognised authority has ruled.
 

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#61098

"Malcolm McLean" <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:e43041d9-d08d-46d7-8d03-6e3dc19842ed@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 7:53:52 PM UTC+1, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>> I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in
>> "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.
>>
> I've heard it pronounced "char", as in a burnt steak, or "car" as in
> automobile. The first appears to be more common, but I don't think
> any recognised authority has ruled.

    "Car" sounds more like a British English pronounciation. While in 
American English it would be "care" like to care for someone.

Bill

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#60957

In article <mhbf1s$t9d$1@dont-email.me>,
 "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> wrote:

>     I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in 
> "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.

It's pronounced to rhyme with Zzyzx.


Seriously it pronounced anyway that makes you happy and communicates with anyone 
you want to communicate with.



(In case you're wonderring, yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zzyzx,_California)

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Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
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#61001

W dniu czwartek, 23 kwietnia 2015 20:53:52 UTC+2 użytkownik Bill Cunningham napisał:
> I have read that "char" as in type char is pronounded "char" as in 
> "charbroil". Is that right? Hum.
> 
when speak to public i pronounce it same as in 'charity' *

(im from poland so things get more 
complicated ) (as sometimes(though rare)  english words are pronaounced other than in english

* but i think it in polish fonetic (just same as i would read "char" in polish) so it is more like "HAR" (clode to "hear" but thru 'a' 
(like in 'now') not 'ee'(something like harem in short though in polish h/ch is somewhat 
more stronger, a is also long, it would be like baharatma, maharadża, some like hindus words (in somewhat polish pronounciations))

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