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Official list of top C annoyances

Started byfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-06 15:45 +0200
Last post2026-10-05 04:32 +0200
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  Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 15:45 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 15:52 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-06 16:52 +0100
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-06 21:41 +0200
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 09:37 +0200
          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-07 11:35 +0100
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 13:15 +0200
              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-07 13:55 +0100
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 15:24 +0200
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 15:33 +0200
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-07 16:34 +0100
                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-08 00:50 +0200
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 00:35 +0100
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 17:43 -0600
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 16:52 -0700
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 15:24 +0800
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 10:18 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 20:16 +0800
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 14:31 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 14:37 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 21:37 +0800
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 09:38 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:42 +0800
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-08 03:11 +0200
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:40 +0000
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 20:08 +0100
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:35 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 10:18 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 12:32 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 14:30 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 15:09 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 16:58 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 18:34 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 18:37 +0000
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 20:12 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 22:11 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 21:15 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 23:37 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 21:39 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 21:39 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:07 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 14:41 -0700
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 23:31 +0100
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 09:25 +0200
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:59 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 10:35 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 11:35 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 14:43 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:08 -0700
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:14 -0700
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 09:16 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-09-14 19:14 +0000
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 08:29 -0700
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 02:45 -0700
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 15:07 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 07:14 -0600
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 15:31 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 07:41 -0600
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:58 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 08:05 -0600
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:13 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:29 -0700
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:23 +0800
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:10 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:19 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 17:02 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 15:11 +0100
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 08:25 -0600
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 15:53 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 17:42 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 17:53 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:03 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:19 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:49 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 19:16 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 15:48 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 18:38 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:11 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 15:04 +0000
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 17:12 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 23:59 +0800
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:30 -0700
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 06:50 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:13 -0700
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-09-09 15:16 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:43 -0700
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 07:16 +0200
                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-08 00:02 +0000
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 12:47 +0100
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-09 01:59 +0000
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 10:26 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 19:12 +0100
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-09 21:01 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 21:45 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 21:18 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:32 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 23:26 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 23:30 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 08:45 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 13:09 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:37 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:11 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:16 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:28 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 14:33 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:51 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:03 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 15:27 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:45 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:59 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 16:57 +0100
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:18 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 01:04 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:47 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:54 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 17:06 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 17:15 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 18:10 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:21 +0200
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 18:45 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:56 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 19:01 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 19:20 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 20:19 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 20:25 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 19:17 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 09:21 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 12:46 +0200
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 14:13 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-09-11 13:41 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 14:55 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:04 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:13 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:17 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 21:02 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 21:59 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:41 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:48 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-11 00:06 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 23:48 +0100
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:52 -0700
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-11 00:48 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 17:11 -0700
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-12 08:01 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 08:20 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 09:09 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 12:35 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 12:40 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 11:55 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 14:37 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 14:49 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:00 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 14:24 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:44 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:53 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 16:05 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 16:16 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 17:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 17:08 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 10:53 -0600
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 19:23 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 18:58 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:35 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:46 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:49 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 22:16 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 15:40 -0600
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 10:15 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 10:27 +0200
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 10:39 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 10:30 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 11:47 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 11:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 11:26 +0100
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:37 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:47 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 13:11 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 05:29 -0600
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 13:43 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 14:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2026-09-13 10:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 13:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 15:21 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 15:31 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 16:34 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 16:58 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 18:01 +0100
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 21:14 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:17 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:23 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:27 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:06 -0700
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 15:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-14 18:11 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:21 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-14 22:54 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:56 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-15 09:07 +0200
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 09:41 +0200
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-15 10:22 +0200
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 11:51 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-15 12:53 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-18 09:10 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 11:37 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:03 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 13:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-05 01:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 18:54 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-14 22:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 21:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 00:33 +0200
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-13 10:50 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:32 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:15 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 19:34 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 19:39 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:23 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 07:45 -0600
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-11 00:37 +0100
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 18:55 +0000
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 01:44 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-14 07:41 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 14:01 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 14:09 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-15 02:42 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 23:41 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-15 01:48 +0000
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 07:39 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-15 11:28 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-15 14:54 +0000
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-15 21:56 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-15 21:34 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 00:36 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 02:21 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-16 09:08 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 11:21 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-16 13:47 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 15:20 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 00:36 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 16:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 01:49 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 19:43 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:24 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 11:29 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 02:04 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 18:19 -0700
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 11:27 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 11:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 13:17 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:16 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-18 12:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:53 +0300
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:47 +0000
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-19 21:22 +0300
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 21:06 +0300
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 15:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 21:07 +0300
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:41 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:34 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 12:52 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 13:15 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 15:16 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 15:25 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 17:05 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 16:46 +0100
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 20:22 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 20:19 +0100
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:55 +0200
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-17 23:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:31 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 20:54 +0100
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:44 -0700
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-17 23:48 +0000
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-18 00:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 01:34 +0100
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:45 +0300
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:28 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 18:34 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 18:08 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:26 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-18 20:39 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 13:10 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 17:30 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:38 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-19 21:00 +0300
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 10:17 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 12:52 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 01:06 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 15:58 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:41 +0300
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:53 +0800
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-22 11:28 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-22 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 15:00 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-09-22 14:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-09-22 15:04 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 16:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 02:28 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 01:29 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-19 22:01 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 20:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-18 05:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-18 08:08 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 10:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:24 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 16:31 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 20:14 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 12:42 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-19 13:39 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 16:24 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-19 00:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 02:06 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 20:20 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-19 03:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:56 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-19 13:25 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 10:45 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-19 15:09 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 16:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:45 +0200
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 13:11 +0200
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 14:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 17:24 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:06 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 20:07 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 12:26 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 22:57 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 17:27 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 20:09 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 12:31 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 12:42 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 15:08 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 14:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 14:54 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 23:24 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-21 15:06 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-21 17:45 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:54 +0300
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 15:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 21:02 +0300
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 15:58 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 15:19 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 23:49 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 16:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:49 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 15:18 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:41 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:53 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 21:05 +0100
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-17 14:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 17:15 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-17 16:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 20:26 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0700
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:25 -0700
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 12:36 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 13:03 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 14:51 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 14:32 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:24 -0700
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0200
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 02:08 -0700
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 11:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 03:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 11:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 17:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 19:19 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 18:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 20:21 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 13:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 15:26 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 15:58 +0000
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 19:13 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 18:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 20:30 +0100
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 21:16 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-17 02:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 02:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 19:58 -0700
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:15 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:22 +0000
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 09:49 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 11:27 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 16:03 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 16:15 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-22 23:27 +0000
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-23 01:01 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-23 23:38 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-24 02:00 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-24 02:41 +0000
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 20:23 -0700
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-24 11:27 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:54 +0000
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-25 01:23 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-25 03:47 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-25 11:38 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-26 02:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-26 11:44 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-26 14:03 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 00:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 00:56 +0000
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-29 14:27 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 02:02 +0000
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-30 11:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 13:37 +0000
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 17:17 +0300
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 14:39 +0000
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 22:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 15:23 -0700
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 02:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 09:17 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-25 12:17 +0300
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-25 11:31 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-26 02:34 +0000
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-24 08:50 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-24 11:31 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-24 11:29 +0100
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-25 21:09 +0000
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-26 11:59 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-29 04:06 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 04:47 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-29 23:49 +0100
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-30 12:19 +0000
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 10:13 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 10:38 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 11:40 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 12:05 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-09-09 15:23 +0100
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 23:07 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:52 -0700
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 01:00 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:17 +0800
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 09:29 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-19 13:46 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 09:15 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 06:16 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:38 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:35 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:36 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 10:11 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-11 00:48 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:18 +0000
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 12:58 -0700
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-22 23:21 +0000
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 12:47 -0700
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 15:20 +0200
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 09:53 +0200
          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-07 23:59 +0200
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 16:04 -0600
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 04:06 -0700
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:05 +0800
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 15:32 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 12:59 +0200
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 13:09 +0200
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 14:15 +0200
          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 14:35 +0200
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 14:49 +0200
              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 16:05 +0200
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 16:18 +0200
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 09:45 -0600
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 20:41 +0200
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 12:39 -0700
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 15:55 -0700
                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 18:02 -0600
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 17:39 -0700
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 18:47 -0600
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 18:19 -0700
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 19:24 -0600
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 19:26 -0700
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 03:25 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:13 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 07:38 -0600
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 22:16 +0800
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:02 +0200
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2026-09-09 12:50 +0000
                  And then we reached C# (was Re: Official list of top C annoyances) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 08:51 +0200
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 14:54 +0100
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 16:10 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 14:22 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 04:32 +0200

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#401736

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 12:47 -0700
Message-ID<117pop5$g077$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401686
On 9/7/2026 6:33 AM, David Brown wrote:
[...]
> I've lost track of the hypothetical project organisation, and this is 
> not really the right place for a tutorial on the details of C++ modules. 
>   However, I can point out one significant difference between C++ 
> modules and, say, Python modules - in C++, the concept of "module" is 
> independent of the concept of "namespace".  That means that the fully 
> qualified names used by the importer of a module depends on the 
> namespaces used, not the module names.  (Of course in a well-organised 
> project, there will be clear correlations between module names, file 
> names, and namespaces.  But they don't have to be one-to-one.)

Actually, I am quite fond of header only. ct_main.cpp is the main driver 
in my experimental system.

lol. Here it is. Works fine for my current needs.

https://i.ibb.co/S4Kx54Pk/image.png

__________________________
#include "ct_vector_grid.hpp"
#include "ct_circle_tangent.hpp"
#include "ct_ball_bearing.hpp"
#include "ct_vector_fractal_tips.hpp"
#include "ct_visions.hpp"
#include "ct_vector_accum_test.hpp"
#include "ct_bifurcation_test.hpp"
#include "ct_tile_map_test.hpp"
#include "ct_triangle_test.hpp"
#include "ct_tile_test.hpp"
#include "ct_vector_fractal_test.hpp"
#include "ct_ttr.hpp"
#include "ct_vector_dla_test.hpp"
#include "ct_vector_cluster_test.hpp"
#include "ct_povray_vector_field.hpp"
#include "ct_colorbook.hpp"
#include "ct_vector_field.hpp"
#include "ct_koch_test.hpp"
#include "ct_geometry_plot.hpp"
#include "ct_cairo.hpp"
#include "ct_glm.hpp"
#include "ct_complex.hpp"


#include <iostream>
#include <stdexcept>
#include <string>
#include <cstdlib>


void
ct_main(
     char const* filename
) {
     ct::plane::plane_2d plane(
         ct::plane::axes_2d({ { 0, 0 }, 1.5f }),
         1920 / 1,
         1080 / 1

         // roxy test!
        // 512,
        // 512
     );

     ct::plot::cairo::plot_2d plot(plane);

     plot.clear({ 0, 0, 0, 1 });

     {
         ct::vector_grid::test::manifest(plot);


         //ct::circle_tangent::test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::ball_bearing::test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::vector_fractal_tips::test::manifest(plot);

        // ct::visions::manifest(plot);


         //ct::vector_accum_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::bifurcation_test::manifest(plot);

        //ct::tile_map_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::triangle_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::tile_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::vector_fractal_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::ttr::manifest(plot);

         //ct::geometry::plot2d::manifest(plot);

        // ct::vector_field::manifest(plot);

         //ct::colorbook::manifest(plot);

        // ct::vector_cluster_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::vector_dla_test::manifest(plot);

         //ct::plot::povray::manifest(plot);

         //ct::povray::vector_field::manifest(plot);
     }

     // Unit circle...
     plot.circle({ { 0, 0 }, 1 }, { 1, 1, 1, 1 }, 1);

     plot.save(filename);
}



int
main()
{
     std::cout << "ct_plot\n";
     std::cout << "by: Chris M. Thomasson\n";
     std::cout << "_________________________________________________" << 
std::endl;

     int status = EXIT_FAILURE;

     try
     {
         ct_main("./ct_output.png");

         // I know I know... ;^)
         std::system("mspaint ct_output.png");

         status = EXIT_SUCCESS;
     }

     catch (std::runtime_error const& error)
     {
         std::cerr << error.what();
     }

     catch (...)
     {
         std::cerr << "Shit hit the fan... ;^o\n";
     }

     std::cout << "\n_________________________________________________" 
<< std::endl;

     return status;
}

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#401683

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-07 15:20 +0200
Message-ID<117mdn6$39jni$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401678
bart pisze:
> On 07/09/2026 08:37, fir wrote:
>> Janis Papanagnou pisze:
>>> On 2026-09-06 17:52, bart wrote:
>>>> On 06/09/2026 14:45, fir wrote:
>>>>> i think this list should be done maybe
>>>>> but i would need to compose it
>>>>>
>>>>> so this post is not yet a list but to open
>>>>> a topic
>>>>>
>>>>> two most top annoyances at the moment of my
>>>>> memory is
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>   need of predeclarations (this is that i need
>>>>> to declare a symbol up its usage as it cant be seen down
>>>>> in code)
>>>
>>> Are you saying you miss the option to do
>>>
>>> x = 1.5;
>>> /*
>>>      ... 100 lines of code ...
>>> */
>>> float x;
>>>
>>
>> of course this is a common problem to me i got
>> something like
>>
>> int quests_screen;
>>
>> in one file "screens.c"
>>
>> and i need an acces to it form another files
>> but its not avaliable
>>
>> eventually c could dissalow that in a file but allow that visibility 
>> among files - but c dont understand the concept of files
>> (which is rather bad) (maybe files just should be considered modules)
> 
> It sounds like you don't understand C. To solve this particular problem, 
> create a header like this:
> 
> screens.h:
> 
>    extern int quests_screen;      // shared declaration
> 
> In screens.c:
> 
>    #include "screens.h"
>    int quests_screen;             // definition (you can initialise here)
> 
> In all files you want to use this from, add this line:
> 
>    #include "screens.h"
> 
> That's how it has to work in C. Of course with proper modules, it's 
> simpler:
> 

i think you should know i understand c

you know when i open my new project it is build form number of c files 
usually few tens of .c files

i also use my own library green.fire.dll

i accept adding one header for green_fire.h but it is all my headers i 
need (i also use windows.h) i dont need any other .h files for
mi internal c files - as this project is not divided
on mode dll's /objects (object files)

so it is clearly SILLY to add h headers for internal purposes imo

so this is clearly annoyance

(and you seem to know that as you was once discussing
i remember that you use the same thing you call as i
remember 'unity biulds'

those internal headers are silly thing, and those predeclarations is 
silly thing

(no need to discuss it as its clear thing imo)

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#401677

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-09-07 09:53 +0200
Message-ID<117lqhi$312k1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401673
On 06/09/2026 21:41, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 2026-09-06 17:52, bart wrote:
>> On 06/09/2026 14:45, fir wrote:
>>> i think this list should be done maybe
>>> but i would need to compose it
>>>
>>> so this post is not yet a list but to open
>>> a topic
>>>
>>> two most top annoyances at the moment of my
>>> memory is
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>   need of predeclarations (this is that i need
>>> to declare a symbol up its usage as it cant be seen down
>>> in code)
> 
> Are you saying you miss the option to do
> 
> x = 1.5;
> /*
>      ... 100 lines of code ...
> */
> float x;
> 
> Or do you want to resolve *every* entity name by the linker
> (without seeing the declaration at the place where it belongs)?
> 

I can't answer for fir or Bart, of course, but most often when I see 
people complaining about order of declaration in C, they are referring 
primarily to file-scope entities, and primarily functions.  Basically, 
they want to be able to order their functions top-down (or without any 
order) rather than bottom-up, without having to add lots of forward 
declarations for the functions.  When restricted to just that, it is not 
an entirely unreasonable wish.  (Whining about having to jump back and 
forth in the code between your list of static forward declarations and 
the function you are writing is, on the other hand, entirely 
unreasonable.  Editors that let you have two windows into the same file, 
or a split in the one window, have been standard for decades.)

In general, declaring identifiers before using them is extremely helpful 
for static checking to avoid mistakes.  And it is also helpful for those 
that are not great at typing, as their editors can auto-complete 
identifiers.

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#401695

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-09-07 23:59 +0200
Message-ID<117nc4f$2236i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401677
On 2026-09-07 09:53, David Brown wrote:
>> [...]
> 
> I can't answer for fir or Bart, of course, but most often when I see 
> people complaining about order of declaration in C, they are referring 
> primarily to file-scope entities, and primarily functions.  Basically, 
> they want to be able to order their functions top-down (or without any 
> order) rather than bottom-up, without having to add lots of forward 
> declarations for the functions.  [...]
Thanks. Your explanation makes sense.

Janis

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#401696

FromLane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Date2026-09-07 16:04 -0600
Message-ID<117nccn$3lqkv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401695
Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 2026-09-07 09:53, David Brown wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> I can't answer for fir or Bart, of course, but most often when I see 
>> people complaining about order of declaration in C, they are referring 
>> primarily to file-scope entities, and primarily functions.  Basically, 
>> they want to be able to order their functions top-down (or without any 
>> order) rather than bottom-up, without having to add lots of forward 
>> declarations for the functions.  [...]
> Thanks. Your explanation makes sense.
> 
> Janis
> 
I work mostly in C# where this isn't an issue anymore.

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#401679

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-07 04:06 -0700
Message-ID<117m5rh$36f6k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401671
On 9/6/2026 8:52 AM, bart wrote:
[...]
> * Switch languages. Most modern ones allow out of order functions (use a 
> function before it is defined; no declaration needed), plus have lots of 
> other features

Might as well use Q#:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/quantum/qsharp-overview

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#401681

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-09-07 20:05 +0800
Message-ID<CMxnS.43676$yo3.38773@fx03.ams4>
In reply to#401667
On 06/09/2026 9:45 PM, fir wrote:
> i think this list should be done maybe
> but i would need to compose it
> 
> so this post is not yet a list but to open
> a topic
> 
> two most top annoyances at the moment of my
> memory is
> 
> I
> 
>   need of predeclarations (this is that i need
> to declare a symbol up its usage as it cant be seen down
> in code)
> 
> ITS TERRIBLE ANNOYING AND USELESS
> 
> II
> 
>   no adhoc enums (tags) type - i mean
> such i dont need tod efine i just may use it
> 
> like
> 
> foo('red'); foo('quick');
> 
> where in foo
> 
> foo(ad_hoc_enum e)
> {
>     if(e=='red) ....
> }
> 
> 
> no definitions just tags
> 
> some could say i could use structures
> 
> struct red {}
> struct quick {}
> 
> its not bad idea but i need tod efine it and that is
> a problem (besides type problems) i need adhoc
> 
> this is so usefull and needed its probably
> 
> SECOND TERRIBLE ANNOYANCE
> 
> III....
> 
> other candidates are
> 
> 1) that i need to repeat type names foo(floay x, float y, float z)
> instedad of foo(float x,y,x)
> 
> 2) that i need end line with ";" (where newline sign should work
> 
> 3) that "," operator dont work in many cases
> 
> 4) & and | should also be used for logical imo
> (i would need to rethink if t needs some changes in language and when it 
> ffalls) now
> 
> 5) *p.s works bad
> 
> 
> and yet few things
> 
> (i was writing on all this already but i hjust think official list 
> should be written)

Dear fir,

You missed one.  This one is my top 0th annoyance in C, but I've learned
to live with it.

6) The * is used for both multiplication and pointer dereferencing.

As we all know, operators should not be overloaded [1], and allowing the
compiler makers to arbitrarily overload operators like this is complete-
ly unacceptable behaviour [sic].  It's a crying shame the I.S.O. commit-
tee hasn't fixed this yet.

When do you think they'll get to it?  In the 406x standard?

If there's one thing Java got right, was to not require a special symbol
for pointer dereferencing at all.  Of course, that also meant that most
people using Java don't know they're using pointers, and forget to null
them after use, leading to /memory hogs/ now and then.

I have added comp.lang.java to this discussion.

But that's a minor issue, because Java has a great garbage collector.
One that our very own Pythong influencer, Lawrence D'Oliveiro would be
proud of making himself, but it's already there, so he can't make a new
one.


Best wishes, and happy C coding!

[1] I'm looking at you, Lawrence from comp.lang.python!
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#401685

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-07 15:32 +0200
Message-ID<117mecm$39rp7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401681
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson pisze:
> On 06/09/2026 9:45 PM, fir wrote:
>> i think this list should be done maybe
>> but i would need to compose it
>>
>> so this post is not yet a list but to open
>> a topic
>>
>> two most top annoyances at the moment of my
>> memory is
>>
>> I
>>
>>   need of predeclarations (this is that i need
>> to declare a symbol up its usage as it cant be seen down
>> in code)
>>
>> ITS TERRIBLE ANNOYING AND USELESS
>>
>> II
>>
>>   no adhoc enums (tags) type - i mean
>> such i dont need tod efine i just may use it
>>
>> like
>>
>> foo('red'); foo('quick');
>>
>> where in foo
>>
>> foo(ad_hoc_enum e)
>> {
>>     if(e=='red) ....
>> }
>>
>>
>> no definitions just tags
>>
>> some could say i could use structures
>>
>> struct red {}
>> struct quick {}
>>
>> its not bad idea but i need tod efine it and that is
>> a problem (besides type problems) i need adhoc
>>
>> this is so usefull and needed its probably
>>
>> SECOND TERRIBLE ANNOYANCE
>>
>> III....
>>
>> other candidates are
>>
>> 1) that i need to repeat type names foo(floay x, float y, float z)
>> instedad of foo(float x,y,x)
>>
>> 2) that i need end line with ";" (where newline sign should work
>>
>> 3) that "," operator dont work in many cases
>>
>> 4) & and | should also be used for logical imo
>> (i would need to rethink if t needs some changes in language and when 
>> it ffalls) now
>>
>> 5) *p.s works bad
>>
>>
>> and yet few things
>>
>> (i was writing on all this already but i hjust think official list 
>> should be written)
> 
> Dear fir,
> 
> You missed one.  This one is my top 0th annoyance in C, but I've learned
> to live with it.
> 
> 6) The * is used for both multiplication and pointer dereferencing.
> 

back then i wrote a larger thread why say c++ like
(though they are parralel concept so i woulnd we it to c++)
are good thing and c pointers are maybe also good thing but
much less usefull..so partially i could agree

though what i mention here are more "shallow"
annoyances not things that would mean the bigger changes of c in other 
language (those other changes are also present but this is kinda other 
thing)

thise annoyances i mention probbaly should be changed in c standard (or 
at least maybe it could, some of them are backward compatible - liek or 
three first i mentioned

it is
1) make symbols be wisible down not only up
2) add ad hoc enums/tags ('something')
3) make ";" optional if there is newline instead
4) maybe extend "," to work in more case to awid many {}



> As we all know, operators should not be overloaded [1], and allowing the
> compiler makers to arbitrarily overload operators like this is complete-
> ly unacceptable behaviour [sic].  It's a crying shame the I.S.O. commit-
> tee hasn't fixed this yet.
> 
> When do you think they'll get to it?  In the 406x standard?
> 
> If there's one thing Java got right, was to not require a special symbol
> for pointer dereferencing at all.  Of course, that also meant that most
> people using Java don't know they're using pointers, and forget to null
> them after use, leading to /memory hogs/ now and then.
> 
> I have added comp.lang.java to this discussion.
> 
> But that's a minor issue, because Java has a great garbage collector.
> One that our very own Pythong influencer, Lawrence D'Oliveiro would be
> proud of making himself, but it's already there, so he can't make a new
> one.
> 
> 
> Best wishes, and happy C coding!
> 
> [1] I'm looking at you, Lawrence from comp.lang.python!

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#401716

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 12:59 +0200
Message-ID<117oprb$3s30$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401667
fir pisze:
> i think this list should be done maybe
> but i would need to compose it
> 
> so this post is not yet a list but to open
> a topic
> 
> two most top annoyances at the moment of my
> memory is
> 
> I
> 
>   need of predeclarations (this is that i need
> to declare a symbol up its usage as it cant be seen down
> in code)
> 
> ITS TERRIBLE ANNOYING AND USELESS
> 
> II
> 
>   no adhoc enums (tags) type - i mean
> such i dont need tod efine i just may use it
> 
> like
> 
> foo('red'); foo('quick');
> 
> where in foo
> 
> foo(ad_hoc_enum e)
> {
>     if(e=='red) ....
> }
> 
> 
> no definitions just tags
> 
> some could say i could use structures
> 
> struct red {}
> struct quick {}
> 
> its not bad idea but i need tod efine it and that is
> a problem (besides type problems) i need adhoc
> 
> this is so usefull and needed its probably
> 
> SECOND TERRIBLE ANNOYANCE
> 
> III....
> 
> other candidates are
> 
> 1) that i need to repeat type names foo(floay x, float y, float z)
> instedad of foo(float x,y,x)
> 
> 2) that i need end line with ";" (where newline sign should work
> 
> 3) that "," operator dont work in many cases
> 
> 4) & and | should also be used for logical imo
> (i would need to rethink if t needs some changes in language and when it 
> ffalls) now
> 
> 5) *p.s works bad
> 
> 
> and yet few things
> 

6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min (fsign 
fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language standard as operators

really to dis day i not quite memorized how to handle them (i write my 
own and assume compiler optimise it but it is not how it should be)

7) LACK OF UNPACKING

next annoyance is lack of something like

int x = 2000;

x.hi; //i mean if x is 32 bit then hi is higher 16 bitshort and lo is 
lower short (maybe unsigned sghort)
x.lo;
x.hi.hi; //higher byte of higher short
x.hi.lo;

it would make a lot of codes who need to unpack bytes nicer and possibly 
faster

also it could maybe work with  floats/doubles

float f = -13.888;

f.sign; //sign
f.exponent; //exponent
f.significand;
f.int; //integral part
f.fract; //fraction part
i.mod; //absolute value

and so on (amy be expanded for builtin complex numbers )

but abstracting from the syntax - becouse its only idea not proposal of 
syntax (those .filed names would collide wih structure fields etc)

but lack (if ths so called "unpacking") of it is annoyance















> (i was writing on all this already but i hjust think official list 
> should be written)

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#401717

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 13:09 +0200
Message-ID<117oqcj$4380$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401716
fir pisze:
> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min (fsign 
> fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language standard as 
> operators

if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
(some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2

i dont know which operator hovever

maybe something like

a=<b  //for min
a>=b //for max

though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
maybe

a(<)b   // for min

or something

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#401720

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-09-08 14:15 +0200
Message-ID<117ou90$2ril$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401717
On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
> fir pisze:
>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language standard 
>> as operators
> 
> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
> 
> i dont know which operator hovever
> 
> maybe something like
> 
> a=<b  //for min
> a>=b //for max
> 
> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
> maybe
> 
> a(<)b   // for min
> 
> or something
> 
> 

gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 
extensions in C.  They were removed in gcc 4 as they were almost never 
used.  Operators are only really appropriate for things that are used 
often, otherwise they are too unfamiliar to too many people.

It would make a lot more sense to have "min" and "max" as functions in 
the standard library.  But naming them could be an issue - far too many 
existing bodies of code already have macros or functions called "min" 
and "max".  Maybe "stdc_min" and "stdc_max" could be used?

But this really is not something to get worked up about.  If it bothers 
you, make a header "fir.h" that has these functions in them and use it 
in your code.

I also recommend you add these to the file :

#define ᯒ =
#define ꘌ ==
#define ㄨ *
#define 𓅂 *

Then instead of boring and easily misunderstood C code like this :

	c = a * *p == 10;

you can now write clear and obvious code :

	c ᯒ a ㄨ 𓅂b ꘌ 10;

(Maybe you can find a different Unicode letter that is closer to the one 
you wanted - this one has the "hook" on the wrong side.)

Of course, you'll need a good Unicode font to see all these.

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#401722

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 14:35 +0200
Message-ID<117ovej$5vl3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401720
David Brown pisze:
> On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
>> fir pisze:
>>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language 
>>> standard as operators
>>
>> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
>> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
>> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
>>
>> i dont know which operator hovever
>>
>> maybe something like
>>
>> a=<b  //for min
>> a>=b //for max
>>
>> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
>> maybe
>>
>> a(<)b   // for min
>>
>> or something
>>
>>
> 
> gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 

those are good like for returning logical values
4<?5 seems should write 1 instead of 4

i dont know - maybe ? should just return logical value?

as in - funny - in natural language when you ask a question you cast to
true/false ;c

if so a<2 could say have no sense/answer (be a hipotesis) and ? would 
eventually cast it to true/false

its kinda interesting idea...

for example it combines with idea to add it at end of function name

foo? boo  //cal foo if true then boo

a<b could eventually also yeild to min but maybe as a side efect

thsi problems need to be more deeply rethinked yet





> extensions in C.  They were removed in gcc 4 as they were almost never 
> used.  Operators are only really appropriate for things that are used 
> often, otherwise they are too unfamiliar to too many people.
> 
> It would make a lot more sense to have "min" and "max" as functions in 
> the standard library.  But naming them could be an issue - far too many 
> existing bodies of code already have macros or functions called "min" 
> and "max".  Maybe "stdc_min" and "stdc_max" could be used?
> 
> But this really is not something to get worked up about.  If it bothers 
> you, make a header "fir.h" that has these functions in them and use it 
> in your code.
> 
> I also recommend you add these to the file :
> 
> #define ᯒ =
> #define ꘌ ==
> #define ㄨ *
> #define 𓅂 *
> 
> Then instead of boring and easily misunderstood C code like this :
> 
>      c = a * *p == 10;
> 
> you can now write clear and obvious code :
> 
>      c ᯒ a ㄨ 𓅂b ꘌ 10;
> 
> (Maybe you can find a different Unicode letter that is closer to the one 
> you wanted - this one has the "hook" on the wrong side.)
> 
> Of course, you'll need a good Unicode font to see all these.
> 
im not using macros

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#401723

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 14:49 +0200
Message-ID<117p09j$692r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401722
fir pisze:
> David Brown pisze:
>> On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
>>> fir pisze:
>>>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>>>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language 
>>>> standard as operators
>>>
>>> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
>>> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
>>> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
>>>
>>> i dont know which operator hovever
>>>
>>> maybe something like
>>>
>>> a=<b  //for min
>>> a>=b //for max
>>>
>>> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
>>> maybe
>>>
>>> a(<)b   // for min
>>>
>>> or something
>>>
>>>
>>
>> gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 
> 
> those are good like for returning logical values
> 4<?5 seems should write 1 instead of 4
> 
> i dont know - maybe ? should just return logical value?
> 
> as in - funny - in natural language when you ask a question you cast to
> true/false ;c
> 
> if so a<2 could say have no sense/answer (be a hipotesis) and ? would 
> eventually cast it to true/false
> 



ye i thing it may have a sense to treat a>3 as a hipothesis
so it probably man it shouldnt be used as max so maybe min max most 
natural is arrows up and down

  c=a↑b
  d=a↓b

it seem possibly anough good

(here by = i mean assign but it could also be a hipothesis for equality 
if there would be this assign sign)





> its kinda interesting idea...
> 
> for example it combines with idea to add it at end of function name
> 
> foo? boo  //cal foo if true then boo
> 
> a<b could eventually also yeild to min but maybe as a side efect
> 
> thsi problems need to be more deeply rethinked yet
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> extensions in C.  They were removed in gcc 4 as they were almost never 
>> used.  Operators are only really appropriate for things that are used 
>> often, otherwise they are too unfamiliar to too many people.
>>
>> It would make a lot more sense to have "min" and "max" as functions in 
>> the standard library.  But naming them could be an issue - far too 
>> many existing bodies of code already have macros or functions called 
>> "min" and "max".  Maybe "stdc_min" and "stdc_max" could be used?
>>
>> But this really is not something to get worked up about.  If it 
>> bothers you, make a header "fir.h" that has these functions in them 
>> and use it in your code.
>>
>> I also recommend you add these to the file :
>>
>> #define ᯒ =
>> #define ꘌ ==
>> #define ㄨ *
>> #define 𓅂 *
>>
>> Then instead of boring and easily misunderstood C code like this :
>>
>>      c = a * *p == 10;
>>
>> you can now write clear and obvious code :
>>
>>      c ᯒ a ㄨ 𓅂b ꘌ 10;
>>
>> (Maybe you can find a different Unicode letter that is closer to the 
>> one you wanted - this one has the "hook" on the wrong side.)
>>
>> Of course, you'll need a good Unicode font to see all these.
>>
> im not using macros

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#401727

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-09-08 16:05 +0200
Message-ID<117p4nj$2ril$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401723
On 08/09/2026 14:49, fir wrote:
> fir pisze:
>> David Brown pisze:
>>> On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
>>>> fir pisze:
>>>>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>>>>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language 
>>>>> standard as operators
>>>>
>>>> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
>>>> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
>>>> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
>>>>
>>>> i dont know which operator hovever
>>>>
>>>> maybe something like
>>>>
>>>> a=<b  //for min
>>>> a>=b //for max
>>>>
>>>> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
>>>> maybe
>>>>
>>>> a(<)b   // for min
>>>>
>>>> or something
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 
>>
>> those are good like for returning logical values
>> 4<?5 seems should write 1 instead of 4
>>
>> i dont know - maybe ? should just return logical value?
>>
>> as in - funny - in natural language when you ask a question you cast to
>> true/false ;c
>>
>> if so a<2 could say have no sense/answer (be a hipotesis) and ? would 
>> eventually cast it to true/false
>>
> 
> 
> 
> ye i thing it may have a sense to treat a>3 as a hipothesis
> so it probably man it shouldnt be used as max so maybe min max most 
> natural is arrows up and down
> 
>   c=a↑b
>   d=a↓b
> 
> it seem possibly anough good
> 
> (here by = i mean assign but it could also be a hipothesis for equality 
> if there would be this assign sign)
> 

This will be the last time (and only because I think it is fun, not 
because I think it is a good idea!) - you can get what you want, today, 
with C++ and macros.

struct Min_helper { };
template<typename T>
struct Min_doer { T v; };

template<typename T>
constexpr auto operator + (T x, Min_helper) { return Min_doer(x); }
template<typename T>
constexpr auto operator + (Min_doer<T> x, T y)
		 { return (x.v < y) ? x.v : y; }
constexpr auto min_helper = Min_helper {};
#define ᐱ +min_helper+

int x = 10 ᐱ 20;
double y = 352.56 ᐱ 42.5;

Pick a different Unicode letter than ᐱ if you want.  Making "10 ᐱ 3.2" 
work correctly is an exercise left for c.l.c++.


Much of what you say you want is entirely possible, today, using a 
language that can be used mostly like C.  You don't have to design a new 
language, or implement your own compiler - you just have to change your 
file endings to ".cpp" instead of ".c", define a few classes, functions, 
and user-defined literals, and some macros with Unicode letters of your 
liking.  I feel entirely confident that you will not do this - you'd 
rather rant incomprehensibly about how inferior the C standards 
committee are compared to your own genius.  But for anyone who looks at 
APL and thinks "that's too simple", the examples I've given show how to 
make your own secret programming language!


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> its kinda interesting idea...
>>
>> for example it combines with idea to add it at end of function name
>>
>> foo? boo  //cal foo if true then boo
>>
>> a<b could eventually also yeild to min but maybe as a side efect
>>
>> thsi problems need to be more deeply rethinked yet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> extensions in C.  They were removed in gcc 4 as they were almost 
>>> never used.  Operators are only really appropriate for things that 
>>> are used often, otherwise they are too unfamiliar to too many people.
>>>
>>> It would make a lot more sense to have "min" and "max" as functions 
>>> in the standard library.  But naming them could be an issue - far too 
>>> many existing bodies of code already have macros or functions called 
>>> "min" and "max".  Maybe "stdc_min" and "stdc_max" could be used?
>>>
>>> But this really is not something to get worked up about.  If it 
>>> bothers you, make a header "fir.h" that has these functions in them 
>>> and use it in your code.
>>>
>>> I also recommend you add these to the file :
>>>
>>> #define ᯒ =
>>> #define ꘌ ==
>>> #define ㄨ *
>>> #define 𓅂 *
>>>
>>> Then instead of boring and easily misunderstood C code like this :
>>>
>>>      c = a * *p == 10;
>>>
>>> you can now write clear and obvious code :
>>>
>>>      c ᯒ a ㄨ 𓅂b ꘌ 10;
>>>
>>> (Maybe you can find a different Unicode letter that is closer to the 
>>> one you wanted - this one has the "hook" on the wrong side.)
>>>
>>> Of course, you'll need a good Unicode font to see all these.
>>>
>> im not using macros
> 

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#401729

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 16:18 +0200
Message-ID<117p5g7$8eve$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401727
David Brown pisze:
> On 08/09/2026 14:49, fir wrote:
>> fir pisze:
>>> David Brown pisze:
>>>> On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
>>>>> fir pisze:
>>>>>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>>>>>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language 
>>>>>> standard as operators
>>>>>
>>>>> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
>>>>> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
>>>>> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
>>>>>
>>>>> i dont know which operator hovever
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe something like
>>>>>
>>>>> a=<b  //for min
>>>>> a>=b //for max
>>>>>
>>>>> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
>>>>> maybe
>>>>>
>>>>> a(<)b   // for min
>>>>>
>>>>> or something
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 
>>>
>>> those are good like for returning logical values
>>> 4<?5 seems should write 1 instead of 4
>>>
>>> i dont know - maybe ? should just return logical value?
>>>
>>> as in - funny - in natural language when you ask a question you cast to
>>> true/false ;c
>>>
>>> if so a<2 could say have no sense/answer (be a hipotesis) and ? would 
>>> eventually cast it to true/false
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ye i thing it may have a sense to treat a>3 as a hipothesis
>> so it probably man it shouldnt be used as max so maybe min max most 
>> natural is arrows up and down
>>
>>   c=a↑b
>>   d=a↓b
>>
>> it seem possibly anough good
>>
>> (here by = i mean assign but it could also be a hipothesis for 
>> equality if there would be this assign sign)
>>
> 
> This will be the last time (and only because I think it is fun, not 
> because I think it is a good idea!) - you can get what you want, today, 
> with C++ and macros.
> 
> struct Min_helper { };
> template<typename T>
> struct Min_doer { T v; };
> 
> template<typename T>
> constexpr auto operator + (T x, Min_helper) { return Min_doer(x); }
> template<typename T>
> constexpr auto operator + (Min_doer<T> x, T y)
>           { return (x.v < y) ? x.v : y; }
> constexpr auto min_helper = Min_helper {};
> #define ᐱ +min_helper+
> 
> int x = 10 ᐱ 20;
> double y = 352.56 ᐱ 42.5;
> 
> Pick a different Unicode letter than ᐱ if you want.  Making "10 ᐱ 3.2" 
> work correctly is an exercise left for c.l.c++.
> 
> 
> Much of what you say you want is entirely possible, today, using a 
> language that can be used mostly like C.  You don't have to design a new 
> language, or implement your own compiler - you just have to change your 
> file endings to ".cpp" instead of ".c", define a few classes, functions, 
> and user-defined literals, and some macros with Unicode letters of your 
> liking.  I feel entirely confident that you will not do this - you'd 
> rather rant incomprehensibly about how inferior the C standards 
> committee are compared to your own genius.  But for anyone who looks at 
> APL and thinks "that's too simple", the examples I've given show how to 
> make your own secret programming language!
> 

i wouldnt use a word genius but the fact is my opinions on language 
solutions in area of c are more grounded/solid than usual choices of
people in language area imo

in recent years i do not code (though i already written my own x86 
assembler) and halfo of a compiler (of some kind of proto-extended-c)
it compiles things but as now im not code too much i feel no urge to try 
finish it (i feel not in good helth for longer focus work sadly0

BUT more to say this kind of work to deduce what its should be in that
improved c is much more hard and time consuming than writing compiler..

many people can write a compiler but make some good decisions here it 
seems not so many can ;c

though now i treat it more as a form of entertainment than regular work 
(as back then)

> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> its kinda interesting idea...
>>>
>>> for example it combines with idea to add it at end of function name
>>>
>>> foo? boo  //cal foo if true then boo
>>>
>>> a<b could eventually also yeild to min but maybe as a side efect
>>>
>>> thsi problems need to be more deeply rethinked yet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> extensions in C.  They were removed in gcc 4 as they were almost 
>>>> never used.  Operators are only really appropriate for things that 
>>>> are used often, otherwise they are too unfamiliar to too many people.
>>>>
>>>> It would make a lot more sense to have "min" and "max" as functions 
>>>> in the standard library.  But naming them could be an issue - far 
>>>> too many existing bodies of code already have macros or functions 
>>>> called "min" and "max".  Maybe "stdc_min" and "stdc_max" could be used?
>>>>
>>>> But this really is not something to get worked up about.  If it 
>>>> bothers you, make a header "fir.h" that has these functions in them 
>>>> and use it in your code.
>>>>
>>>> I also recommend you add these to the file :
>>>>
>>>> #define ᯒ =
>>>> #define ꘌ ==
>>>> #define ㄨ *
>>>> #define 𓅂 *
>>>>
>>>> Then instead of boring and easily misunderstood C code like this :
>>>>
>>>>      c = a * *p == 10;
>>>>
>>>> you can now write clear and obvious code :
>>>>
>>>>      c ᯒ a ㄨ 𓅂b ꘌ 10;
>>>>
>>>> (Maybe you can find a different Unicode letter that is closer to the 
>>>> one you wanted - this one has the "hook" on the wrong side.)
>>>>
>>>> Of course, you'll need a good Unicode font to see all these.
>>>>
>>> im not using macros
>>
> 

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#401731

FromLane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Date2026-09-08 09:45 -0600
Message-ID<117pai8$a6ji$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401727
David Brown wrote:
> On 08/09/2026 14:49, fir wrote:
>> fir pisze:
>>> David Brown pisze:
>>>> On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
>>>>> fir pisze:
>>>>>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>>>>>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language 
>>>>>> standard as operators
>>>>>
>>>>> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
>>>>> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
>>>>> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
>>>>>
>>>>> i dont know which operator hovever
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe something like
>>>>>
>>>>> a=<b  //for min
>>>>> a>=b //for max
>>>>>
>>>>> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
>>>>> maybe
>>>>>
>>>>> a(<)b   // for min
>>>>>
>>>>> or something
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 
>>>
>>> those are good like for returning logical values
>>> 4<?5 seems should write 1 instead of 4
>>>
>>> i dont know - maybe ? should just return logical value?
>>>
>>> as in - funny - in natural language when you ask a question you cast to
>>> true/false ;c
>>>
>>> if so a<2 could say have no sense/answer (be a hipotesis) and ? would 
>>> eventually cast it to true/false
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ye i thing it may have a sense to treat a>3 as a hipothesis
>> so it probably man it shouldnt be used as max so maybe min max most 
>> natural is arrows up and down
>>
>>   c=a↑b
>>   d=a↓b
>>
>> it seem possibly anough good
>>
>> (here by = i mean assign but it could also be a hipothesis for 
>> equality if there would be this assign sign)
>>
> 
> This will be the last time (and only because I think it is fun, not 
> because I think it is a good idea!) - you can get what you want, today, 
> with C++ and macros.
> 
> struct Min_helper { };
> template<typename T>
> struct Min_doer { T v; };
> 
> template<typename T>
> constexpr auto operator + (T x, Min_helper) { return Min_doer(x); }
> template<typename T>
> constexpr auto operator + (Min_doer<T> x, T y)
>           { return (x.v < y) ? x.v : y; }
> constexpr auto min_helper = Min_helper {};
> #define ᐱ +min_helper+
> 
> int x = 10 ᐱ 20;
> double y = 352.56 ᐱ 42.5;
> 
> Pick a different Unicode letter than ᐱ if you want.  Making "10 ᐱ 3.2" 
> work correctly is an exercise left for c.l.c++.
> 
> 
> Much of what you say you want is entirely possible, today, using a 
> language that can be used mostly like C.  You don't have to design a new 
> language, or implement your own compiler - you just have to change your 
> file endings to ".cpp" instead of ".c", define a few classes, functions, 
> and user-defined literals, and some macros with Unicode letters of your 
> liking.  I feel entirely confident that you will not do this - you'd 
> rather rant incomprehensibly about how inferior the C standards 
> committee are compared to your own genius.  But for anyone who looks at 
> APL and thinks "that's too simple", the examples I've given show how to 
> make your own secret programming language!

I don't understand why it's okay to talk about C++ here but not C#? C# 
is way better than C++.

The only reason people still use C++ is because of its overall speed 
from what I can tell. Or else they haven't been cultured enough to 
experience C# yet.

What can be done to improve C#'s overall speed?

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#401733

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-09-08 20:41 +0200
Message-ID<117pksk$e971$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401731
On 08/09/2026 17:45, Lane W wrote:
> David Brown wrote:
>> On 08/09/2026 14:49, fir wrote:
>>> fir pisze:
>>>> David Brown pisze:
>>>>> On 08/09/2026 13:09, fir wrote:
>>>>>> fir pisze:
>>>>>>> 6) major annoyance is lack of such functions as sign abs max min 
>>>>>>> (fsign fabs fmax fmin) and maybe some more (swap) in language 
>>>>>>> standard as operators
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if such thing as a<b return logical value there should be something
>>>>>> (some operator) that returns  the loewr one in place (somewhat by 
>>>>>> analogy loke a+2 vs a+=2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i dont know which operator hovever
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe something like
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a=<b  //for min
>>>>>> a>=b //for max
>>>>>>
>>>>>> though = eems unfortunate so maybe some other signs here
>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a(<)b   // for min
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or something
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> gcc had "a <? b" and "a >? b" as minimum and maximum operators, as 
>>>>
>>>> those are good like for returning logical values
>>>> 4<?5 seems should write 1 instead of 4
>>>>
>>>> i dont know - maybe ? should just return logical value?
>>>>
>>>> as in - funny - in natural language when you ask a question you cast to
>>>> true/false ;c
>>>>
>>>> if so a<2 could say have no sense/answer (be a hipotesis) and ? 
>>>> would eventually cast it to true/false
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ye i thing it may have a sense to treat a>3 as a hipothesis
>>> so it probably man it shouldnt be used as max so maybe min max most 
>>> natural is arrows up and down
>>>
>>>   c=a↑b
>>>   d=a↓b
>>>
>>> it seem possibly anough good
>>>
>>> (here by = i mean assign but it could also be a hipothesis for 
>>> equality if there would be this assign sign)
>>>
>>
>> This will be the last time (and only because I think it is fun, not 
>> because I think it is a good idea!) - you can get what you want, 
>> today, with C++ and macros.
>>
>> struct Min_helper { };
>> template<typename T>
>> struct Min_doer { T v; };
>>
>> template<typename T>
>> constexpr auto operator + (T x, Min_helper) { return Min_doer(x); }
>> template<typename T>
>> constexpr auto operator + (Min_doer<T> x, T y)
>>           { return (x.v < y) ? x.v : y; }
>> constexpr auto min_helper = Min_helper {};
>> #define ᐱ +min_helper+
>>
>> int x = 10 ᐱ 20;
>> double y = 352.56 ᐱ 42.5;
>>
>> Pick a different Unicode letter than ᐱ if you want.  Making "10 ᐱ 3.2" 
>> work correctly is an exercise left for c.l.c++.
>>
>>
>> Much of what you say you want is entirely possible, today, using a 
>> language that can be used mostly like C.  You don't have to design a 
>> new language, or implement your own compiler - you just have to change 
>> your file endings to ".cpp" instead of ".c", define a few classes, 
>> functions, and user-defined literals, and some macros with Unicode 
>> letters of your liking.  I feel entirely confident that you will not 
>> do this - you'd rather rant incomprehensibly about how inferior the C 
>> standards committee are compared to your own genius.  But for anyone 
>> who looks at APL and thinks "that's too simple", the examples I've 
>> given show how to make your own secret programming language!
> 
> I don't understand why it's okay to talk about C++ here but not C#? C# 
> is way better than C++.
> 

It is not really appropriate to talk here about C++ like this either - 
but it shows "fir" that what he claims he wants is achievable already, 
if he were serious and realistic.

C++ is a language that grew out of C with extensions, and is closely 
related.  C# is a managed language primarily targeting a specific OS, 
which grew out of MS's tantrums when they were not allowed to screw up 
Java and make it Windows-only without changing the language name.  Now, 
it may well be that C# is "better" than Java, for some definition of 
"better" - I neither know nor care about either language.  It may even 
be that C# is "better" than C++ in some ways - again, I don't know and 
don't care.  But while C++ can be viewed as "C with accumulated extra 
features", with C as an approximate subset, C# is a significantly 
different language.  It might occasionally be relevant in a c.l.c. 
thread in a "compare and contrast" discussion, just like Python or 
Fortran might be - but no more than that.

> The only reason people still use C++ is because of its overall speed 
> from what I can tell. Or else they haven't been cultured enough to 
> experience C# yet.
> 
> What can be done to improve C#'s overall speed?
> 

That may be an interesting question, but it is /definitely/ one for a C# 
group, not a C group.

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#401735

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 12:39 -0700
Message-ID<117po9e$flg5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401731
On 9/8/2026 8:45 AM, Lane W wrote:
[...]
> What can be done to improve C#'s overall speed?
>

Get rid of the GC? ;^)

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#401739

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-08 15:55 -0700
Message-ID<117q3po$jci1$1@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#401731
Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> writes:
[87 lines deleted]
>
> I don't understand why it's okay to talk about C++ here but not C#?

It isn't.

> C# is way better than C++.
>
> The only reason people still use C++ is because of its overall speed
> from what I can tell. Or else they haven't been cultured enough to
> experience C# yet.

Imagine that you've posted in some forum that discusses C#.
I jump in to tell you that C++ is much better than C#, and I can't
understand why anyone would use C#, unless they're not cultured
enough to experience C++.  That would be rude of me.  The corollary
is left as an exercise.

> What can be done to improve C#'s overall speed?

There are places where you can ask that question and get meaningful
answers.  This is not one of those places.  If you can't find an
appropriate newsgroup (there doesn't seem to be a comp.lang.csharp),
there are plenty of forums other than Usenet.

Also, when you post a followup, please trim any quoted text that
isn't relevant your followup.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#401741

FromLane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Date2026-09-08 18:02 -0600
Message-ID<117q7m8$ks04$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#401739
Keith Thompson wrote:
> Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> writes:

>> The only reason people still use C++ is because of its overall speed
>> from what I can tell. Or else they haven't been cultured enough to
>> experience C# yet.
> 
> Imagine that you've posted in some forum that discusses C#.
> I jump in to tell you that C++ is much better than C#, and I can't
> understand why anyone would use C#, unless they're not cultured
> enough to experience C++.  That would be rude of me.  The corollary
> is left as an exercise.

I suppose I can understand that. Not only would it be rude of you, it 
would also be false information, or perhaps a misled notion. No one 
wants to be distributing false information on the Net.

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