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Official list of top C annoyances

Started byfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
First post2026-09-06 15:45 +0200
Last post2026-10-05 04:32 +0200
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  Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 15:45 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-06 15:52 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-06 16:52 +0100
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-06 21:41 +0200
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 09:37 +0200
          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-07 11:35 +0100
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 13:15 +0200
              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-07 13:55 +0100
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 15:24 +0200
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 15:33 +0200
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-07 16:34 +0100
                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-08 00:50 +0200
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 00:35 +0100
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 17:43 -0600
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 16:52 -0700
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 15:24 +0800
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 10:18 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 20:16 +0800
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 14:31 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 14:37 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 21:37 +0800
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 09:38 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 17:42 +0800
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-08 03:11 +0200
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-08 16:40 +0000
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 20:08 +0100
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:35 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 10:18 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 12:32 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 14:30 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 15:09 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 16:58 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 18:34 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 18:37 +0000
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 20:12 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 22:11 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 21:15 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 23:37 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 21:39 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 21:39 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:07 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 14:41 -0700
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 23:31 +0100
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 09:25 +0200
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:59 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 10:35 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 11:35 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 14:43 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:08 -0700
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:14 -0700
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 09:16 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-09-14 19:14 +0000
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 08:29 -0700
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 02:45 -0700
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 15:07 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 07:14 -0600
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 15:31 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 07:41 -0600
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:58 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 08:05 -0600
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:13 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:29 -0700
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:23 +0800
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:10 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 16:19 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 17:02 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 15:11 +0100
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 08:25 -0600
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 15:53 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 17:42 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 17:53 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:03 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:19 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 18:49 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 19:16 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 15:48 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 18:38 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:11 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-09 15:04 +0000
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 17:12 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 23:59 +0800
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:30 -0700
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 06:50 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:13 -0700
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-09-09 15:16 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:43 -0700
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 07:16 +0200
                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-08 00:02 +0000
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 12:47 +0100
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-09 01:59 +0000
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 10:26 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 19:12 +0100
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-09 21:01 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 21:45 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 21:18 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:32 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 23:26 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-09 23:30 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 08:45 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 13:09 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:37 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:11 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:16 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:28 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 14:33 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:51 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:03 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 15:27 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:45 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:59 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 16:57 +0100
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:18 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 01:04 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:47 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:54 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 17:06 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 17:15 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 18:10 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:21 +0200
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 18:45 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:56 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 19:01 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 19:20 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 20:19 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 20:25 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 19:17 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-11 09:21 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 12:46 +0200
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 14:13 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-09-11 13:41 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 14:55 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:04 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:13 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-11 15:17 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 21:02 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 21:59 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 16:41 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 09:48 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-11 00:06 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-10 23:48 +0100
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 15:52 -0700
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-11 00:48 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 17:11 -0700
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-12 08:01 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 08:20 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 09:09 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 12:35 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 12:40 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 11:55 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 14:37 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 14:49 +0200
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:00 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 14:24 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:44 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:53 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 16:05 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 16:16 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 17:20 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 17:08 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 10:53 -0600
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 19:23 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 18:58 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:35 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:46 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:49 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-12 22:16 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 15:40 -0600
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 10:15 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 10:27 +0200
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 10:39 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 10:30 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 11:47 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 11:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 11:26 +0100
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:37 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:47 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 13:11 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-13 05:29 -0600
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 13:43 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 14:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> - 2026-09-13 10:53 +0000
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 13:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 15:21 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 15:31 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 16:34 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 16:58 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-13 18:01 +0100
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 21:14 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:17 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:23 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:27 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 17:06 -0700
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 15:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-14 18:11 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-14 20:21 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-14 22:54 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-14 23:56 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-15 09:07 +0200
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 09:41 +0200
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-15 10:22 +0200
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 11:51 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-15 12:53 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-18 09:10 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 11:37 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:03 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 13:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-05 01:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 18:54 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-14 22:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-14 21:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 00:33 +0200
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-13 10:50 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-13 12:32 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 20:15 +0200
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 19:34 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 19:39 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-12 15:23 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-12 07:45 -0600
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-11 00:37 +0100
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-13 18:55 +0000
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 01:44 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-14 07:41 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 14:01 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 14:09 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-15 02:42 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 23:41 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-15 01:48 +0000
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-15 07:39 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-15 11:28 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-15 14:54 +0000
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-15 21:56 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-15 21:34 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 00:36 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 02:21 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-16 09:08 +0200
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 11:21 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-16 13:47 +0200
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 15:20 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-16 17:53 +0200
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 00:36 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 16:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 01:49 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-16 19:43 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 09:24 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 11:29 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 02:04 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 18:19 -0700
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 11:27 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 11:21 +0100
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 13:17 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:16 +0200
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-18 12:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:53 +0300
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:47 +0000
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-19 21:22 +0300
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 21:06 +0300
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 15:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 21:07 +0300
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:41 +0000
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:34 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 12:52 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 13:15 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 15:16 +0200
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 15:25 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 17:05 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 16:46 +0100
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 20:22 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 20:19 +0100
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:55 +0200
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-17 23:47 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:31 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 20:54 +0100
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:44 -0700
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-17 23:48 +0000
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-18 00:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 01:34 +0100
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 17:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 17:45 +0300
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:28 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-18 18:34 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 18:08 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:26 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-09-18 20:39 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 13:10 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 17:30 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:38 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-19 21:00 +0300
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 10:17 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 12:52 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 01:06 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 15:58 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:41 +0300
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-22 01:53 +0800
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-22 11:28 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-22 11:34 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 15:00 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-09-22 14:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-09-22 15:04 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 16:38 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 02:28 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 01:29 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-19 22:01 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 20:28 +0000
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-18 05:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-18 08:08 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 10:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-18 15:24 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 16:31 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:29 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 20:14 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 12:42 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-19 13:39 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 16:24 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-19 00:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 02:06 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 20:20 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2026-09-19 03:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:56 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-19 13:25 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 10:45 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-19 15:09 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 16:17 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-19 09:45 +0200
                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 13:11 +0200
                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 14:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 17:24 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 11:06 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 20:07 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 12:26 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 22:57 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-19 17:27 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-19 20:09 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 12:31 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 12:42 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 15:08 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 14:22 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 14:54 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 23:24 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-21 15:06 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-21 16:36 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-21 17:45 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-21 20:54 +0300
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-22 15:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-22 21:02 +0300
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-20 15:58 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 15:19 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-20 23:49 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 16:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:49 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-20 15:18 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-20 15:41 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-09-17 21:53 +0200
                                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 21:05 +0100
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-17 14:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 17:15 +0200
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-17 16:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 20:26 +0200
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 -0700
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 13:25 -0700
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 12:36 +0200
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 13:03 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-17 14:51 +0200
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-17 14:32 +0100
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 15:24 -0700
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-18 09:06 +0200
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 02:08 -0700
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 11:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 03:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-18 11:13 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 17:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 19:19 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 18:34 +0000
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 20:21 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 13:16 +0000
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 15:26 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-16 15:58 +0000
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 19:13 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-09-16 18:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 20:30 +0100
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-16 21:16 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-17 02:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 02:32 +0000
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-29 19:58 -0700
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-05 02:15 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:22 +0000
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 09:49 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-14 11:27 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 16:03 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 16:15 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-22 23:27 +0000
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-23 01:01 +0100
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-23 23:38 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-24 02:00 +0100
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-24 02:41 +0000
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 20:23 -0700
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-24 11:27 +0100
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-24 23:54 +0000
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-25 01:23 +0100
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-25 03:47 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-25 11:38 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-26 02:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-26 11:44 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-26 14:03 +0100
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-28 00:05 +0000
                                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 00:56 +0000
                                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-29 14:27 +0100
                                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 02:02 +0000
                                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-30 11:18 +0100
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 13:37 +0000
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-30 17:17 +0300
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-09-30 14:39 +0000
                                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-30 22:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-01 15:23 -0700
                                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-02 02:38 +0000
                                                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-02 09:17 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-25 12:17 +0300
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-25 11:31 +0100
                                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-26 02:34 +0000
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-24 08:50 +0000
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-24 11:31 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-24 11:29 +0100
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-25 21:09 +0000
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-26 11:59 +0100
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-29 04:06 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 04:47 +0000
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-29 23:49 +0100
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-30 12:19 +0000
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 10:13 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-09 10:38 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 11:40 +0200
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 12:05 +0200
                                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-09-09 15:23 +0100
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 23:07 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 15:52 -0700
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 01:00 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-18 10:17 +0800
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-18 09:29 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-19 13:46 +0000
                                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 09:15 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-10 06:16 +0200
                                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 14:38 +0200
                                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:35 +0200
                                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-10 18:36 +0200
                                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-10 10:11 +0200
                                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-11 00:48 +0200
                                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-29 03:18 +0000
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-09-18 12:58 -0700
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-22 23:21 +0000
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 12:47 -0700
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 15:20 +0200
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-07 09:53 +0200
          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-07 23:59 +0200
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-07 16:04 -0600
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 04:06 -0700
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-07 20:05 +0800
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 15:32 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 12:59 +0200
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 13:09 +0200
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 14:15 +0200
          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 14:35 +0200
            Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 14:49 +0200
              Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 16:05 +0200
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 16:18 +0200
                Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 09:45 -0600
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-09-08 20:41 +0200
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 12:39 -0700
                  Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 15:55 -0700
                    Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 18:02 -0600
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 17:39 -0700
                        Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 18:47 -0600
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 18:19 -0700
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-08 19:24 -0600
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 19:26 -0700
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 03:25 +0200
                          Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:13 +0200
                            Re: Official list of top C annoyances Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-09-09 07:38 -0600
                              Re: Official list of top C annoyances "Johann \"Myrkraverk\" Oskarsson" <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-09-09 22:16 +0800
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 09:02 +0200
                      Re: Official list of top C annoyances Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2026-09-09 12:50 +0000
                  And then we reached C# (was Re: Official list of top C annoyances) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-09-09 08:51 +0200
      Re: Official list of top C annoyances bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-09-08 14:54 +0100
        Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-08 16:10 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-09-25 14:22 +0200
    Re: Official list of top C annoyances fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 04:32 +0200

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#402028

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 13:11 +0200
Message-ID<11860d2$i5ja$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402025
fir pisze:
> esp this 𝒙10 is clean and weighty i got a lot of problems with this 
> becouse x10 eventually worked but has terrible disadwantage xa is not
> standable (a is variable value say 100) but unicode resolves a lot of 
> problems coz 𝒙a work
> 
> NOTE this all now seem obvious but before discovering this what seems 
> obvious LATER BEFORE this all conclusions was VERY FAR form obvious


you by chance illustrate this problem

you in fact has notably more feel in this things as average comp.lang.c 
user (as seen the fight with you statements often true but you itself 
when confronted with better sollution not only not take it but also 
fights with it

this illustrates how indeed far from this solution are nearly all people 
;c (so rare i dont know none who is close but maybe some are hidden in
some mountains ;c wtill my solutions are oryginal as i dont know no one
who is doin something close as me here)

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#402029

FromLane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com>
Date2026-09-13 05:29 -0600
Message-ID<11861f0$iim0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402022
bart wrote:
> On 13/09/2026 10:53, fir wrote:
>> fir pisze:
>>> bart pisze:
> 
>>>> It sounds like your ideal language would be APL, if is not 'clean' 
>>>> and 'clear' that you're after, but 'minimal' and 'cryptic'.
>>>>
>>>> The first version above is the best balance in my view. You /want/ 
>>>> some mixture of keywords and symbols.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, in a typical program, only 1/3 of alphanumerics of 
>>>> keywords; the rest will still be user-identifiers.
>>>
>>>
>>> i gave you example - its only cryptic if you dont know what it means
>>>
>>>
>> consider for example french or polish language its totally cryptic 
>> until you will learn it...
> 
> 
> That is not your aim. That appears to be to start with a language that 
> you know perfectly well, but remove all punctuation, capitalisation and 
> structure, and half the words. But to what purpose; because you're too 
> lazy to type?
> 
>   not to say you want to understand it without
>> definitions
> 
> So an APL (or J or K) program is never cryptic because all you have to 
> do is learn it? If only I'd thought of that!
> 
> The same applies to Assembly I guess. And machine code?
> 
>>
>> overally this discussin ended i think at least as for few months,
>> cant continue becouse you repeat the same things
> 
> And you keep repeating the same nonsense. What is your endpoint: a 
> program that can be expressed in one byte?
> 
He wants to compress the language, metaphor a plum, into a prune that 
has much reduced.

It is the same way with a newsgroup when the warlord Lane W has 
compressed all the shitheads, David Brown, Keith, bart, and the rest 
except I guess the fellows who are in the mood, when they all conspire 
by email to not respond to anything he writes. It is at such a time that 
he declares victory. As I roll over yet another group in the 97 I have 
subjugated to my rule and made complacent, a tear drips from my eye. C, 
such a beautiful language, yet what hypocrites such as David Brown 
defending it. Really, nothing personal? I beg to differ. Under my boot, 
a serpent crawls out of the skull of another victim.

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#402030

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 13:43 +0200
Message-ID<118628u$irqm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402029
Lane W pisze:
> bart wrote:
>> On 13/09/2026 10:53, fir wrote:
>>> fir pisze:
>>>> bart pisze:
>>
>>>>> It sounds like your ideal language would be APL, if is not 'clean' 
>>>>> and 'clear' that you're after, but 'minimal' and 'cryptic'.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first version above is the best balance in my view. You /want/ 
>>>>> some mixture of keywords and symbols.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, in a typical program, only 1/3 of alphanumerics of 
>>>>> keywords; the rest will still be user-identifiers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i gave you example - its only cryptic if you dont know what it means
>>>>
>>>>
>>> consider for example french or polish language its totally cryptic 
>>> until you will learn it...
>>
>>
>> That is not your aim. That appears to be to start with a language that 
>> you know perfectly well, but remove all punctuation, capitalisation 
>> and structure, and half the words. But to what purpose; because you're 
>> too lazy to type?
>>
>>   not to say you want to understand it without
>>> definitions
>>
>> So an APL (or J or K) program is never cryptic because all you have to 
>> do is learn it? If only I'd thought of that!
>>
>> The same applies to Assembly I guess. And machine code?
>>
>>>
>>> overally this discussin ended i think at least as for few months,
>>> cant continue becouse you repeat the same things
>>
>> And you keep repeating the same nonsense. What is your endpoint: a 
>> program that can be expressed in one byte?
>>
> He wants to compress the language, metaphor a plum, into a prune that 
> has much reduced.
> 
> It is the same way with a newsgroup when the warlord Lane W has 
> compressed all the shitheads, David Brown, Keith, bart, and the rest 
> except I guess the fellows who are in the mood, when they all conspire 
> by email to not respond to anything he writes. It is at such a time that 
> he declares victory. As I roll over yet another group in the 97 I have 
> subjugated to my rule and made complacent, a tear drips from my eye. C, 
> such a beautiful language, yet what hypocrites such as David Brown 
> defending it. Really, nothing personal? I beg to differ. Under my boot, 
> a serpent crawls out of the skull of another victim.

no worry its hard to answer this becouse its hard to know what exactly 
tis is about but it sometimes have some points (you will need hovever 
care not to overdo it..becouse as i said when commenting some people 
with sticks up in their asses some such type coments are fun but if 
there is to much of cross boundering there may haos os spam do appear 
and that is harmfull

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#402047

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 14:00 -0700
Message-ID<11872sr$v3ni$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402029
On 9/13/2026 4:29 AM, Lane W wrote:
> bart wrote:
>> On 13/09/2026 10:53, fir wrote:
>>> fir pisze:
>>>> bart pisze:
>>
>>>>> It sounds like your ideal language would be APL, if is not 'clean' 
>>>>> and 'clear' that you're after, but 'minimal' and 'cryptic'.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first version above is the best balance in my view. You /want/ 
>>>>> some mixture of keywords and symbols.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, in a typical program, only 1/3 of alphanumerics of 
>>>>> keywords; the rest will still be user-identifiers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i gave you example - its only cryptic if you dont know what it means
>>>>
>>>>
>>> consider for example french or polish language its totally cryptic 
>>> until you will learn it...
>>
>>
>> That is not your aim. That appears to be to start with a language that 
>> you know perfectly well, but remove all punctuation, capitalisation 
>> and structure, and half the words. But to what purpose; because you're 
>> too lazy to type?
>>
>>   not to say you want to understand it without
>>> definitions
>>
>> So an APL (or J or K) program is never cryptic because all you have to 
>> do is learn it? If only I'd thought of that!
>>
>> The same applies to Assembly I guess. And machine code?
>>
>>>
>>> overally this discussin ended i think at least as for few months,
>>> cant continue becouse you repeat the same things
>>
>> And you keep repeating the same nonsense. What is your endpoint: a 
>> program that can be expressed in one byte?
>>
> He wants to compress the language, metaphor a plum, into a prune that 
> has much reduced.

Take a source file, compress it, and show all the printable chars from 
the blob? ;^)


> 
> It is the same way with a newsgroup when the warlord Lane W has 
> compressed all the shitheads, David Brown, Keith, bart, and the rest 
> except I guess the fellows who are in the mood, when they all conspire 
> by email to not respond to anything he writes. It is at such a time that 
> he declares victory. As I roll over yet another group in the 97 I have 
> subjugated to my rule and made complacent, a tear drips from my eye. C, 
> such a beautiful language, yet what hypocrites such as David Brown 
> defending it. Really, nothing personal? I beg to differ. Under my boot, 
> a serpent crawls out of the skull of another victim.

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#402026

FromIke Naar <ike@sdf.org>
Date2026-09-13 10:53 +0000
Message-ID<slrn11ad05a.mc7.ike@iceland.freeshell.org>
In reply to#402010
On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim is to 
> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {' 
> instead of just 'else'.

There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):

    if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }

    if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }

The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".

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#402031

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-09-13 13:46 +0100
Message-ID<11865vo$k4bm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402026
On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim is to
>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>> instead of just 'else'.
> 
> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
> 
>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
> 
>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
> 
> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".


This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:

   if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end

C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:

   if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }

One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.

However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' can 
act as block delimiters:

   if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end

Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.

Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:

   if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }

The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 (fir 
doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for statements 
and expressions to run together provided that there is a way to infer 
where one logically ends and the other starts).

The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.

So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
(He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)

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#402033

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 15:21 +0200
Message-ID<118680j$ks5k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402031
bart pisze:
> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim is to
>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>
>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>
>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>
>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>
>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
> 
> 
> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
> 
>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
> 
> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
> 
>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
> 
> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
> 
> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' can 
> act as block delimiters:
> 
>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
> 
> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
> 
> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
> 
>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
> 
> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 (fir 
> doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for statements 
> and expressions to run together provided that there is a way to infer 
> where one logically ends and the other starts).
> 
> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
> 
> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)


what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it


as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure

some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
though is sorta logical

x<10 → x++>5
        →  more_than_five
        ↘ less_than_six
     ↘ do_nothing

those  →   ale also sorta redundant

x<10 x++>5 more_than_five ↘ less_than_six  ↘ do_nothing




can optionally ad parenthesis or braces for clarity

x<10 (x++>5 more_than_five ↘ less_than_six)  ↘ do_nothing

x<10 {x++>5 more_than_five ↘ less_than_six } ↘ do_nothing



but im not fully convinced

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#402035

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-09-13 15:31 +0100
Message-ID<1186c3k$me64$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402033
On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
> bart pisze:
>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim is to
>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>
>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>
>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>
>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>
>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>
>>
>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>
>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>
>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>
>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>
>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>
>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>> can act as block delimiters:
>>
>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>
>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>
>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>
>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>
>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 (fir 
>> doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for statements 
>> and expressions to run together provided that there is a way to infer 
>> where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>
>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>
>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
>> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)
> 
> 
> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
> 
> 
> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
> 
> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
> though is sorta logical
> 
> x<10 → x++>5
>         →  more_than_five
>         ↘ less_than_six
>      ↘ do_nothing

Try: if 5 < x < 10.

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#402036

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 16:34 +0200
Message-ID<1186c9e$mfbg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402035
bart pisze:
> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>> bart pisze:
>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>> is to
>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>
>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>
>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>
>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>
>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>
>>>
>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>
>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>
>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>
>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>
>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>
>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>
>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>
>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>
>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>
>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 (fir 
>>> doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>
>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>
>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
>>> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)
>>
>>
>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>
>>
>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>
>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>> though is sorta logical
>>
>> x<10 → x++>5
>>         →  more_than_five
>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>      ↘ do_nothing
> 
> Try: if 5 < x < 10.

> 
why? its the same


5<x<10 →


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#402038

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 16:58 +0200
Message-ID<1186dna$n0so$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402036
fir pisze:
> bart pisze:
>> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>>> bart pisze:
>>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>>
>>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>>
>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>>
>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>>
>>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>>
>>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>>
>>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>>
>>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>>
>>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>>
>>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>>
>>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>>
>>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>>
>>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>>
>>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 
>>>> (fir doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>>
>>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
>>>> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)
>>>
>>>
>>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>>
>>>
>>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>>
>>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>>> though is sorta logical
>>>
>>> x<10 → x++>5
>>>         →  more_than_five
>>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>>      ↘ do_nothing
>>
>> Try: if 5 < x < 10.
> 
>>
> why? its the same
> 
> 
> 5<x<10 →
> 
interesting problem is if

a→b→c→d→ all must be tru to go here


so how to implement or this way


a↘b↘c↘d↘ {all must be false to go here}
{or would be here it seems but you may go here also after false
and it has no end/delimiter so it needs something..}



so maybe or is

(a↘b↘c↘d↘)↘ { or is here? }








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#402043

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-09-13 18:01 +0100
Message-ID<1186ksc$prj7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402036
On 13/09/2026 15:34, fir wrote:
> bart pisze:
>> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>>> bart pisze:
>>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>>
>>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>>
>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>>
>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>>
>>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>>
>>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>>
>>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>>
>>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>>
>>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>>
>>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>>
>>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>>
>>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>>
>>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>>
>>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 
>>>> (fir doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>>
>>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
>>>> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)
>>>
>>>
>>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>>
>>>
>>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>>
>>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>>> though is sorta logical
>>>
>>> x<10 → x++>5
>>>         →  more_than_five
>>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>>      ↘ do_nothing
>>
>> Try: if 5 < x < 10.
> 
>>
> why? its the same
>

The same as ... what?

I don't know what your example was meant to do. But if testing whether x 
was in some interval, and with my example 'x' is only written once.

Otherwise you might want to look at how lots of languages do more 
general pattern-matching.>
> 5<x<10 →
> 
> 
> 

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#402046

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 21:14 +0200
Message-ID<1186sms$squk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402043
bart pisze:
> On 13/09/2026 15:34, fir wrote:
>> bart pisze:
>>> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>>>> bart pisze:
>>>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>>>
>>>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>>>
>>>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>>>
>>>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>>>
>>>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>>>
>>>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 
>>>>> (fir doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>>>
>>>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is 
>>>>> doing. (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in 
>>>>> humouring him.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>>>
>>>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>>>> though is sorta logical
>>>>
>>>> x<10 → x++>5
>>>>         →  more_than_five
>>>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>>>      ↘ do_nothing
>>>
>>> Try: if 5 < x < 10.
>>
>>>
>> why? its the same
>>
> 
> The same as ... what?
> 
> I don't know what your example was meant to do. But if testing whether x 
> was in some interval, and with my example 'x' is only written once.
> 
> Otherwise you might want to look at how lots of languages do more 
> general pattern-matching.>
>> 5<x<10 →
>>
>>

this was not on topic so i dont understand what you mean
on this comparsions 0<=x<640 i was writing already long ago
this example was not on checking x but on if-else forms

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#402040

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 17:17 +0200
Message-ID<1186epr$nf9i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402035
bart pisze:
> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>> bart pisze:
>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>> is to
>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>
>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>
>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>
>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>
>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>
>>>
>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>
>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>
>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>
>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>
>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>
>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>
>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>
>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>
>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>
>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 (fir 
>>> doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>
>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>
>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
>>> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)
>>
>>
>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>
>>
>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>
>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>> though is sorta logical
>>
>> x<10 → x++>5
>>         →  more_than_five
>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>      ↘ do_nothing
> 
> Try: if 5 < x < 10.
> 
not btw that if you want make much more rigid and more descriptive 
language youre obviously fukll right to implement this philosophy im not 
denying this

i waguely remember i sad to you something like "try" or "you my try"
giving some of my outcomes as to my philosophy as i assumed you
want to use something good ;c

im joking (imo ofc my philosophy here is better but you may use your own 
ofc)

for me your conventions are suboptimal (all those ones who not by chance 
are mine own ;c )

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#402041

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 17:23 +0200
Message-ID<1186f5m$njt6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402040
fir pisze:
> bart pisze:
>> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>>> bart pisze:
>>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>>
>>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>>
>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>>
>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>>
>>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>>
>>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>>
>>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>>
>>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>>
>>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>>
>>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>>
>>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>>
>>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>>
>>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>>
>>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 
>>>> (fir doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>>
>>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is doing. 
>>>> (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in humouring him.)
>>>
>>>
>>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>>
>>>
>>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>>
>>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>>> though is sorta logical
>>>
>>> x<10 → x++>5
>>>         →  more_than_five
>>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>>      ↘ do_nothing
>>
>> Try: if 5 < x < 10.
>>
> not btw that if you want make much more rigid and more descriptive 
> language youre obviously fukll right to implement this philosophy im not 
> denying this
> 
> i waguely remember i sad to you something like "try" or "you my try"
> giving some of my outcomes as to my philosophy as i assumed you
> want to use something good ;c
> 
> im joking (imo ofc my philosophy here is better but you may use your own 
> ofc)
> 
> for me your conventions are suboptimal (all those ones who not by chance 
> are mine own ;c )
> 
for me the ones im searching are optimal at least ofr last 'research 
state' though i got different worry (on whch i was saint more than one)

c indeed is on some very impressive track to me and im not quite sure
using my filosophy (which is at seen very fractal and syntax 
minimalising) is in fact worse than this oryginal "railroad" track

in old c i by chance see something like 'coal' and 'rails'/railroad 
feeling and in this mine i see its more like light and plastic 'style' 
not so much nice eventually - it worries my but dont know what to do 
with that..maybe its too much far form assembly/machine language but
today hard to work in machne language on raw steel and oil machines..

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#402042

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 17:27 +0200
Message-ID<1186fcd$nm4m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402041
fir pisze:
> fir pisze:
>> bart pisze:
>>> On 13/09/2026 14:21, fir wrote:
>>>> bart pisze:
>>>>> On 13/09/2026 11:53, Ike Naar wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim 
>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {'
>>>>>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This illustrates my point; first some Pascal:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if cond then begin s1; s2 end else begin s3; s4 end
>>>>>
>>>>> C is the same but uses braces, and semicolons are terminators:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if (cond) { s1; s2; } else { s3; s4; }
>>>>>
>>>>> One has 'end else begin', the other has '} else {'.
>>>>>
>>>>> However the Pascal version can be improved; since 'then' and 'else' 
>>>>> can act as block delimiters:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if cond then s1; s2 end else s3; s4 end
>>>>>
>>>>> Only the final block in a chain (eg. if-else-if) needs the 'end' 
>>>>> terminator. And now 'else' is by itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately this doesn't transfer well to C:
>>>>>
>>>>>    if (cond) s1; s2; else s3; s4; }
>>>>>
>>>>> The () around 'cond' are needed as the ')' separates cond and s1 
>>>>> (fir doesn't not appreciate this point; he thinks it is fine for 
>>>>> statements and expressions to run together provided that there is a 
>>>>> way to infer where one logically ends and the other starts).
>>>>>
>>>>> The trouble is that lone, unbalanced } at the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it would need a bigger change. But then that's what fir is 
>>>>> doing. (He's never going to get there, but there's no harm in 
>>>>> humouring him.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what you consider problems is so siple i dont even think on it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> as to ifs syntax i am yet not sure
>>>>
>>>> some like this may be considered but its not much good loking
>>>> though is sorta logical
>>>>
>>>> x<10 → x++>5
>>>>         →  more_than_five
>>>>         ↘ less_than_six
>>>>      ↘ do_nothing
>>>
>>> Try: if 5 < x < 10.
>>>
>> not btw that if you want make much more rigid and more descriptive 
>> language youre obviously fukll right to implement this philosophy im 
>> not denying this
>>
>> i waguely remember i sad to you something like "try" or "you my try"
>> giving some of my outcomes as to my philosophy as i assumed you
>> want to use something good ;c
>>
>> im joking (imo ofc my philosophy here is better but you may use your 
>> own ofc)
>>
>> for me your conventions are suboptimal (all those ones who not by 
>> chance are mine own ;c )
>>
> for me the ones im searching are optimal at least ofr last 'research 
> state' though i got different worry (on whch i was saint more than one)
> 
> c indeed is on some very impressive track to me and im not quite sure
> using my filosophy (which is at seen very fractal and syntax 
> minimalising) is in fact worse than this oryginal "railroad" track
> 
> in old c i by chance see something like 'coal' and 'rails'/railroad 
> feeling and in this mine i see its more like light and plastic 'style' 
> not so much nice eventually - it worries my but dont know what to do 
> with that..maybe its too much far form assembly/machine language but
> today hard to work in machne language on raw steel and oil machines..

so i also not judge your language stylistically - it may heve some 
feeling (though i not get this feeling as i dont know it... this feeling 
is maybe a part of times where things were used..as c had probably a 
feeling of thi 60ties or 70ties in MIT (berkeley?) or something

for ma c has always good 'dark' feeling but all that times was more like 
rain night and oxygene feeling that present times... bright lcd plastic 
monitors and things

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#402048

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-09-13 17:06 -0700
Message-ID<1187dp9$12auj$1@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#402026
Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> writes:
> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim is to 
>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {' 
>> instead of just 'else'.
>
> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>
>     if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>
>     if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>
> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".

I believe bart was suggesting a language change, not offering advice
on how to program in C.

In C, the syntax for an "if" statement is:

    if ( expression ) statement
    if ( expression ) statement else statement

(C23 tweaks this very slightly in ways that are not relevant to
the current discussion.)  Since it's defined in terms of single
statements, if you want multiple statements in a branch you need to
create one by enclosing multiple statements in braces.  This also
requires a rule about which "if" a given "else" is associated with.

Many other langauges allow multiple statements where C only allows
a single statement.  They typically do so by requiring a closing
delimiter matching the "if", for example "endif", "end if", "end",
or "fi".  They also typically add a single token combining "else"
and "if", typically "elseif", "elsif", or "elif".

(Pascal follows the C approach, but spells "{" and "}" as "begin"
and "end".)

It's not practical to follow bart's advice (always use "else" rather
than "} else {" unless you're using some language other than C.

bart's point, I think, is that he dislikes the way C does this.

Personally, I tend to prefer the non-C delimited approach, since
it's a bit less error-prone, but both approaches are perfectly
valid and can be used cleanly and correctly with a little care.
It's not a factor I consider when deciding which language to use.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#402058

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-09-14 15:01 +0000
Message-ID<__TpS.4358$Pwy8.4318@fx36.iad>
In reply to#402048
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>Ike Naar <ike@sdf.org> writes:
>> On 2026-09-12, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> Note that the code will still have braces. I suggest a better aim is to 
>>> eliminate most braces. The should be no need to ever see '} else {' 
>>> instead of just 'else'.
>>
>> There can be a difference; for example (assume <stdio.h> included):
>>
>>     if (0) { if (1) puts("foo");   else   puts("bar"); }
>>
>>     if (0) { if (1) puts("foo"); } else { puts("bar"); }
>>
>> The first line will print nothing; the second one will print "bar".
>
>I believe bart was suggesting a language change, not offering advice
>on how to program in C.
>
>In C, the syntax for an "if" statement is:
>
>    if ( expression ) statement
>    if ( expression ) statement else statement
>
>(C23 tweaks this very slightly in ways that are not relevant to
>the current discussion.)  Since it's defined in terms of single
>statements, if you want multiple statements in a branch you need to
>create one by enclosing multiple statements in braces.  This also
>requires a rule about which "if" a given "else" is associated with.
>
>Many other langauges allow multiple statements where C only allows
>a single statement.  They typically do so by requiring a closing
>delimiter matching the "if", for example "endif", "end if", "end",
>or "fi".  They also typically add a single token combining "else"
>and "if", typically "elseif", "elsif", or "elif".
>
>(Pascal follows the C approach, but spells "{" and "}" as "begin"
>and "end".)
>
>It's not practical to follow bart's advice (always use "else" rather
>than "} else {" unless you're using some language other than C.
>
>bart's point, I think, is that he dislikes the way C does this.
>
>Personally, I tend to prefer the non-C delimited approach, since
>it's a bit less error-prone, but both approaches are perfectly
>valid and can be used cleanly and correctly with a little care.
>It's not a factor I consider when deciding which language to use.

I simply always use braces, regardless of whether or not
the clause contains a single statement or a compound statement.

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#402062

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-09-14 18:11 +0200
Message-ID<11896bm$1lqbn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402058
On 14/09/2026 17:01, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

>> Personally, I tend to prefer the non-C delimited approach, since
>> it's a bit less error-prone, but both approaches are perfectly
>> valid and can be used cleanly and correctly with a little care.
>> It's not a factor I consider when deciding which language to use.
> 
> I simply always use braces, regardless of whether or not
> the clause contains a single statement or a compound statement.
> 

That's always a safe choice, but some C programmers prefer to use fewer 
braces.  A compromise is to insist on always using braces if there is an 
"else" clause (in both the "if" and "else" parts), or at the very least, 
to do so if there are nested "if" statements.

Always using braces (combined with a consistent indent style) is the 
choice with the lowest risk of mistakes or misinterpretation, and means 
that changes such as adding or removing statements to the controlled 
parts do not lead to additional changes.  For anyone using version 
control systems, the advantage of :

	if (test) {
		do_this();
	}

over :

	if (test)
		do_this();

is obvious the first time they need to change the code to :

	if (test) {
		do_this();
		do_that();
	}


Still, the important thing is writing the code in a good, clear manner, 
regardless of what the language allows or does not allow.

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#402064

FromtTh <tth@none.invalid>
Date2026-09-14 20:21 +0200
Message-ID<1189dvv$mlc$1@news.gegeweb.eu>
In reply to#402062
On 9/14/26 18:11, David Brown wrote:
>>
>> I simply always use braces, regardless of whether or not
>> the clause contains a single statement or a compound statement.
>>
> 
> That's always a safe choice, but some C programmers prefer to use fewer 
> braces.  A compromise is to insist on always using braces if there is an 
> "else" clause (in both the "if" and "else" parts), or at the very least, 
> to do so if there are nested "if" statements.

    About braces, I always use them except in one case :
    when the code fragment is on the same line as the if.

    if (retval) fprintf(stderr, "retval is %d\n", retval);

    I think it's dangerous, but for some little things
    like my sample, it make things clearer for me.

-- 
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*                      tTh des Bourtoulots                     *
*                  http://maison.tth.netlib.re/                *
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#402071

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-09-14 22:54 +0200
Message-ID<1189mtd$1svho$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#402064
On 14/09/2026 20:21, tTh wrote:
> On 9/14/26 18:11, David Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> I simply always use braces, regardless of whether or not
>>> the clause contains a single statement or a compound statement.
>>>
>>
>> That's always a safe choice, but some C programmers prefer to use 
>> fewer braces.  A compromise is to insist on always using braces if 
>> there is an "else" clause (in both the "if" and "else" parts), or at 
>> the very least, to do so if there are nested "if" statements.
> 
>     About braces, I always use them except in one case :
>     when the code fragment is on the same line as the if.
> 
>     if (retval) fprintf(stderr, "retval is %d\n", retval);
> 
>     I think it's dangerous, but for some little things
>     like my sample, it make things clearer for me.
> 

I do the same, but restrict it to simpler statements.

"Simpler" is a matter of taste and subjective judgement here - 
"return;", "break;", "continue;" are all "simple".  A short assignment 
is "simple".  For a longer printf, I'd usually use braces.  If the 
statement is too long to be comfortable on one line, or may reasonably 
become so in future modifications, then I'd have braces.

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