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  The death of Google Groups Fabrizio J Bonsignore <syntotic@gmail.com> - 2012-07-28 09:38 -0700
    Re: The death of Google Groups Tim Prince <tprince@computer.org> - 2012-07-28 13:16 -0400
      Re: The death of Google Groups Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-30 13:52 -0700
        Re: The death of Google Groups Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-07-31 10:50 +0100
          Re: The death of Google Groups jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk - 2012-07-31 04:23 -0700
            Re: The death of Google Groups James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-31 07:52 -0400
              Re: The death of Google Groups Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-01 00:08 -0500
                Re: The death of Google Groups James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-01 06:47 -0400
                  Re: The death of Google Groups Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-01 16:06 -0400
                    Re: The death of Google Groups James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-01 16:16 -0400
                    Re: The death of Google Groups Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-02 00:50 -0700
                    Re: The death of Google Groups William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-02 12:32 -0700
            Re: The death of Google Groups Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-07-31 14:00 +0200
          Re: The death of Google Groups Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-31 13:04 -0700
          Re: The death of Google Groups Fabrizio J Bonsignore <syntotic@gmail.com> - 2012-08-01 10:54 -0700
      Re: The death of Google Groups lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 23:18 -0700
        Re: The death of Google Groups Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-14 00:39 -0700
          Re: The death of Google Groups Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-08-14 12:16 +0000
    Re: The death of Google Groups mstemper@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper) - 2012-07-31 17:11 +0000
      Re: The death of Google Groups David Bernier <david250@videotron.ca> - 2012-08-01 13:15 -0400
        Re: The death of Google Groups David Bernier <david250@videotron.ca> - 2012-08-01 13:28 -0400
          Re: The death of Google Groups Fabrizio J Bonsignore <syntotic@gmail.com> - 2012-08-01 11:01 -0700
          Re: The death of Google Groups David Bernier <david250@videotron.ca> - 2012-08-01 14:13 -0400
            Re: The death of Google Groups David Bernier <david250@videotron.ca> - 2012-08-01 14:30 -0400
              Re: The death of Google Groups David Bernier <david250@videotron.ca> - 2012-08-01 15:13 -0400
        Re: The death of Google Groups Robert Miles <milesrf@Usenet-News.net> - 2012-09-09 21:57 -0500

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#23854 — The death of Google Groups

The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
actually writing something!

Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?

In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
groups are dead!

I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE. The new
interface is INEFFICIENT, and I am feeling it. I spent some time
writing through an internet enable public booth phone and it was
POSSIBLE. This thing here is supposedly magnitudes away in power and
am having trouble with the new interface!

I want the option to revert to the old groups without the overhead of
whatever the system is doing to add the same, boring, actually
oversized, internet buttons instead of plain agile links, and... new
edit boxes that do not offer full functionality like native boxes?

I think the maintainers of this dead product committed a mistake and
had not the imagination to add new functionality or changes without
making the interface look foreign and even non Occidental.

So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
choice? Mmmh?

Danilo J Bonsignore

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#23856

On 7/28/2012 12:38 PM, Fabrizio J Bonsignore wrote:

> So when do we go back to the old, plain, common interface with a
> choice? Mmmh?

You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google 
groups.  google gateway appears to have been your own choice.  The next 
choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well 
run specialist newsgroup servers.

-- 
Tim Prince

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#23999

בתאריך יום שבת, 28 ביולי 2012 18:16:56 UTC+1, מאת Tim Prince:
> 
> You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google 
> groups.  google gateway appears to have been your own choice.  The next 
> choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well  
> run specialist newsgroup servers.
> 
I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new interface is unbearable.

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#24019

On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook
 > Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
 > on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
 > interface is unbearable.

Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No 
password required. Job done :).

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#24021

Chicken McNuggets wrote:
> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
> No password required. Job done :).

                F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
                     Access denied.
 Executing files from removable media is not allowed.

Next suggestion.

JGH

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#24024

On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
>> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
>> No password required. Job done :).
> 
>                 F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
>                      Access denied.
>  Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
> 
> Next suggestion.

What system are you using that prohibits execution of programs on
removable media? Given that you are using such a system, why are you
trying to execute from removable media? Why not install thunderbird on
non-removable media? The answers to those questions could help someone
suggest a workable alternative.
-- 
James Kuyper

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#24039

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
<jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

>On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
>>> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
>>> No password required. Job done :).
>> 
>>                 F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
>>                      Access denied.
>>  Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
>> 
>> Next suggestion.
>
>What system are you using that prohibits execution of programs on
>removable media? Given that you are using such a system, why are you
>trying to execute from removable media? Why not install thunderbird on
>non-removable media? The answers to those questions could help someone
>suggest a workable alternative.


Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
departments.  And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
things on the non-removable drives either.

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#24045

On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
> <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
>>>> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.

I would strongly recommend news.eternal-september.org instead. Many
spammers use nntp.aioe.org, and as a result, many spam filters
automatically exclude all messages from their servers.

>>>> No password required. Job done :).
>>>
>>>                 F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
>>>                      Access denied.
>>>  Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
>>>
>>> Next suggestion.
>>
>> What system are you using that prohibits execution of programs on
>> removable media? Given that you are using such a system, why are you
>> trying to execute from removable media? Why not install thunderbird on
>> non-removable media? The answers to those questions could help someone
>> suggest a workable alternative.
> 
> 
> Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
> departments.  And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
> things on the non-removable drives either.

If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
that they do approve of.
-- 
James Kuyper

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#24090

On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
>> <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
[...]
>>>>                  F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
>>>>                       Access denied.
>>>>   Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
[...]
>> Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
>> departments.  And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
>> things on the non-removable drives either.
>
> If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
> they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
> that they do approve of.

What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be 
"just use IE9 and Google Groups"?

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#24092

On 08/01/2012 04:06 PM, Kenneth Brody wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
...
>> If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
>> they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
>> that they do approve of.
> 
> What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be 
> "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?

Fairly good, but he'll never know for certain until he tries. I have
occasionally been pleasantly surprised by my IT department's flexibility.

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#24115

On Aug 1, 9:06 pm, Kenneth Brody <kenbr...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
> > On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
> >> <jameskuy...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, j...@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >>>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:


> >>>>                  F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
> >>>>                       Access denied.
> >>>>   Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
> [...]
> >> Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
> >> departments.  And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
> >> things on the non-removable drives either.
>
> > If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
> > they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
> > that they do approve of.
>
> What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be
> "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?

or: "what's a newsgroup and why would you need to access one during
work time?"

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#24148

Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On 8/1/2012 6:47 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
> > On 08/01/2012 01:08 AM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:52:03 -0400, James Kuyper
> >> <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 07/31/2012 07:23 AM, jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >>>> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
> [...]
> >>>>                  F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
> >>>>                       Access denied.
> >>>>   Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
> [...]
> >> Windows will do that, but the policy is usually only enforced by IT
> >> departments.  And in that case, he's probably not allowed to install
> >> things on the non-removable drives either.
> >
> > If that's the issue, then ask IT to install it. If, for some reason,
> > they object to thunderbird, ask them if there's any other news reader
> > that they do approve of.

> What are the odds that, given such an IT department, their answer would be 
> "just use IE9 and Google Groups"?

I've heard that Easynews has a very nice Web interface.

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#24025

jgh wrote:
> Chicken McNuggets wrote:
>> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups.
>> No password required. Job done :).
> 
>                 F:\Mozilla\Thunderbird.exe
>                      Access denied.
>  Executing files from removable media is not allowed.
> 
> Next suggestion.

Do you just need someone to hold your hand?

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable/

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#24031

Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> writes:
> On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook
>  > Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
>  > on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
>  > interface is unbearable.
>
> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No 
> password required. Job done :).

I like news.eternal-september.org, also free.  For my news client,
I use gnus, which runs under emacs (you'll like gnus if and only
if you like emacs).

I think nntp.aioe.org is used by a lot of spammers; as a result, some
people ignore all articles from that server.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#24078

On Jul 31, 5:50 am, Chicken McNuggets <chic...@mcnuggets.com> wrote:
> On 30/07/2012 21:52, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>
> > I need to sack Google groups as well. I did have Outlook
>
>  > Express set up as a mailreader years ago. But it insisted
>  > on storing everything on the hard drive. But the new
>  > interface is unbearable.
>
> Use Mozilla Thunderbird and nntp.aioe.org to access newsgroups. No
> password required. Job done :).
>
>

I feel watched when I use Thunderbird. Particularly after the second
prompt for mail password.

Danilo J Bonsignore

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#24489

On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:16:56 PM UTC, Tim Prince wrote:
> 
> You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google 
> 
> groups.  google gateway appears to have been your own choice.  The next 
> 
> choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well 
> 
> run specialist newsgroup servers.
> 

Are there reliable free newsgroup servers :)

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#24492

lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> writes:
> On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:16:56 PM UTC, Tim Prince wrote:
>> You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google 
>> groups.  google gateway appears to have been your own choice.  The next 
>> choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well 
>> run specialist newsgroup servers.
>
> Are there reliable free newsgroup servers :)

Yes, news.eternal-september.org for example.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#24498

On 2012-08-14, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
> lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:16:56 PM UTC, Tim Prince wrote:
>>> You're posting through to usenet groups which are much older than Google 
>>> groups.  google gateway appears to have been your own choice.  The next 
>>> choice is yours. Use a normal newsgroup application, and one of the well 
>>> run specialist newsgroup servers.
>>
>> Are there reliable free newsgroup servers :)
>
> Yes, news.eternal-september.org for example.

There are lots of cheap alternatives, too. I use
news.individual.net (a formerly free service) for like $18 a
year.

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#24028

In article <b275a49d-8b3b-4e74-bad7-607b8168f4ad@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore <syntotic@gmail.com> writes:

>The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
>ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
>Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
>reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
>new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
>actually writing something!
>
>Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
>up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
>interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
>Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
>
>In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
>groups are dead!
>
>I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.

That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
have chosen to use a web browser and Google.

There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
something you don't like, use something else.

-- 
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Life's too important to take seriously.

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#24072

On 07/31/2012 01:11 PM, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article<b275a49d-8b3b-4e74-bad7-607b8168f4ad@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, Fabrizio J Bonsignore<syntotic@gmail.com>  writes:
>
>> The new interface is unbearable. It is over a decade of using a TEXT
>> ORIENTED interface, daily almost, daily for periods, and suddenly...
>> Not all of a sudden but now the choice is being imposed. For some
>> reason I was still able to login into this interface, but opening a
>> new tab... I am spending more time fighting the OS and interface than
>> actually writing something!
>>
>> Not to mention the backing up... With the original interface backing
>> up is just a matter of Save as... and parsing texts; with the new
>> interface... WHAT IS THE OBFUSCATED CODE OF FACEBOOK DOING HERE? Or is
>> Facebook an outcome of the obfuscated code of the Google search page?
>>
>> In fact, a change of interface is a change of product! These google
>> groups are dead!
>>
>> I already gave a SOLUTION: LET USERS CHOOSE INTERFACE.
>
> That solution has existed as long as Usenet has. Anybody can choose
> which client and which service provider to use to access Usenet. You
> have chosen to use a web browser and Google.
>
> There are many other choices. Instead of whining about how you're using
> something you don't like, use something else.
>

For Usenet reader, I use Thunderbird, a product of the Mozilla
people who make Firefox.

I've heard good things about Forte Agent, Gnus and other
news-readers.  Using some form of filtering and/or
"spam-scoring" for ng-junk is most beneficial.

Dave

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