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Re: Even more problems with lcc-win

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Even more problems with lcc-win
Date 2017-03-30 16:23 +0200
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On 30/03/17 15:36, bartc wrote:
> On 30/03/2017 13:29, David Brown wrote:
>> On 30/03/17 13:24, bartc wrote:
> 
>>> If I add in <windows.h>, I get 250ms.
>>>
>>> But, stop and I think about that: I just said I compiled windows.h on
>>> Linux, and on a Pi. That was easy because in lccwin32 versions of
>>> windows.h, only 3 files I think are involved: windows.h, win.h, and
>>> basetsd.h.
>>
>> Does your compiler here generate Windows executables when running on the
>> Pi, as a cross compiler?
> 
> It doesn't generate ARM code, if that's what you mean, but there is no
> code involved in processing headers. But yes, it could act as a
> cross-compiler, if run in the mode where it generates ASM (I'll be doing
> that next week).
> 
> But the intended mode of operation is that the compiler will generate
> code in-memory then execute it. For that it would need to be ARM32 code
> not x64. But any dependencies on gdi32.dll for example would cause
> problems.
> 
> In short, this is just a compiler test.
> 
>> If not, then the ability to read some version
>> of a "windows.h" header is totally and completely useless.
> 
> There are several points of interest:
> 
> (1) I was able to get an idea of how long my program took to perform the
> job of compiler all those includes plus <windows.h>, on the slow RPi
> Linux platform.
> 
> (2) It was faster than gcc under Windows on a normal desktop PC, even
> though it was running on the same Linux (not Windows) machine that is
> apparently 300 times slower than your machine compiling those standard
> headers.
> 
> (3) I was able to trivially port the compiler I'd been using on Windows,
> /and/ to trivially port the Windows-specific headers it was using.
> 

If the compiler itself is written using portable C code, which should be
fairly easy for a non-optimising compiler (it is things like
pre-computing constants that are a challenge for cross-compiling), then
"porting" a compiler from one host to another but keeping the target the
same should just be a re-compile as long as there are no assumptions of
the host and target being the same, and you have endian issues under
control (ARM is usually little-endian, making this easy).

> To do the equivalent using gcc from Windows and /its/ headers from
> Windows, just to see how long it would take to run on this board
> computer, would be a major undertaking. (Maybe you could do something
> using 'wine', and port the entire gcc/tdm directory across, but I can
> also see a dozen reasons why it wouldn't work.)

"porting" headers means "copying".

> 
> So apart from anything else, it illustrates the advantages of having
> small, tidy and simple programs, and having small, tidy and compact
> headers.

OK, it is easier to copy 3 files than to copy 80 files.  Happy?

> 
>> It is perfectly possible to use Linux to cross-compile for Windows -
>> most Linux distros will have a package for doing "mingw"
>> cross-compilation, including "windows.h" files with all the bits needed.
>>  I don't have such a package installed at the moment, because I don't
>> need to do such cross-compilation.
>>
>>>
>>> This shows another advantage of keeping things simple.
>>
>> No, it shows another fabricated and irrelevant "advantage".
> 
> See my point (3) above. What is true of unnecessarily large and
> sprawling headers can also be true of anything else.
> 
>> when I type
>> "apt-get install mingw-w64", I could not care less whether that installs
>> 3 header files or 300 header files.
> 
> And look where that has got us. When I first used the Raspberry Pi, it's
> Debian had apparently 54,000 files installed - but I still couldn't /do/
> anything! Everything needed an 'apt-get install' and loads of packages
> needing to be downloaded or upgraded.

When I install a new Windows system, I have no idea how many files it
has.  But it usually takes many hours of computer time - and that's a
"pre-installed" system.  And then the system has nothing but notepad and
a browser whose only serious use is to download Firefox or Chrome.
Everything to make the machine useful needs to be downloaded from dozens
of different websites.

When I install a desktop Linux system, it has a wide selection of
software already in place.  And there is a /huge/ selection that can be
chosen and installed from a /single/ place.

Yes, that is functionality that is worth a few files.

> 
> Then you get stalled again and you need install something else. And yet
> again. (On one such process, an apt-get install ran for 90 minutes. Then
> it crashed. But by then I'd long forgotten whatever the hell it was I'd
> been trying to do, and no longer cared.)

You have an extraordinary ability to cause trouble for yourself - I
don't know how you manage it.

> 
>> Note that on Linux and with gcc, re-reading a header file that has a
>> suitable inclusion guard is extremely fast.  The data is all there in
>> ram and the contents of the file are skipped with almost no work - this
>> is a case that is highly optimised in gcc.
> 
> Yes, skipping false #if/#ifdef/#elif/#else blocks can be fast. But is
> still not completely trivial, as some tokenising is still involved.
> You're looking for the next #elif/#else/#endif, but have to ignore those
> that are inside comments, string literals, or are not at the start of a
> line. You also have to keep track of nested #if/#ifdefs to ensure the
> next #endif matches the one you're looking for.
> 
> Given a choice, you wouldn't process 240K lines of this stuff (what is
> skipped in gcc's windows.h).
> 
> (Or maybe gcc has hit on optimisations for this, of which I can think of
> several; I don't know.)

It does have optimisations for that purpose, yes.

> 
>> On Windows, it takes a good
>> deal longer to read the file even if it is cached (but again, gcc will
>> skip the contents quickly).
> 
> That depends. In my tokeniser, a repeated header is already in the
> program's memory; it doesn't need file functions to re-read it.
>

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                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-07 19:49 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-08 13:26 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-08 13:33 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-08 16:27 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-08 22:28 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-09 13:54 +1200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 07:55 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-09 10:24 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-09 10:45 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-09 10:53 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-09 14:03 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-10 16:17 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-14 10:24 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-14 12:29 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-09 13:04 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 14:13 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-08 14:33 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-04-08 07:36 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-08 10:22 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-07 11:11 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-07 19:28 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-07 11:44 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-04-08 08:00 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-07 12:29 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-07 13:46 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-07 14:10 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2017-03-30 21:59 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-31 00:19 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 17:53 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 11:34 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-30 12:35 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-30 04:38 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-30 13:14 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-30 14:38 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 08:52 +1300
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-02 13:58 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-02 17:02 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-03 17:50 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-03 23:10 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-03 07:20 +1200
                Optimized? (Was: Even more problems with lcc-win) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-04-02 19:39 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-04-02 15:59 -0400
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-02 14:11 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-03 17:08 +1200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-03 13:42 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-30 13:06 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-30 14:58 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-30 14:50 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-30 16:27 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-30 16:57 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-30 14:31 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-28 15:54 -0500
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-28 08:07 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win gordonb.uls6t@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-03-29 18:17 -0500
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-30 19:20 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-30 18:49 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-30 20:07 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win gordonb.b709o@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-04-16 03:45 -0500
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-16 16:34 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-04-16 20:27 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-16 12:16 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-17 02:29 -0500
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-03-27 19:01 -0400
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-03-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-25 23:19 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-25 19:10 -0400
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-26 00:54 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-25 19:48 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-26 05:12 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-26 14:00 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win gordonb.zdxct@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-03-27 02:03 -0500
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-24 22:39 -0500
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-25 09:13 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-25 11:24 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-26 08:42 +1300
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-25 19:51 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-26 09:10 +1300
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-25 20:24 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-25 13:43 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-26 10:30 +1300
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-03-26 10:23 +0200
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-24 15:08 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-24 22:43 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-24 15:55 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-24 16:27 -0700
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-25 01:17 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-25 01:18 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-27 15:06 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-27 16:37 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-27 16:25 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-27 17:57 +0000
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-27 19:12 +0100
                Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-27 14:19 -0500
              Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-24 19:25 +0100
          Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-24 08:10 -0700
    Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-24 13:01 +0000
      Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-24 15:50 +0100
  Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-24 13:07 +0100
    Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-24 15:48 +0100
      Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-24 16:26 +0100
        Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-03-24 16:32 +0000
          Re: Even more problems with lcc-win James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-03-24 12:53 -0400
            Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-24 18:24 +0100
              Re: Even more problems with lcc-win scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-03-24 17:29 +0000
              Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-03-24 10:55 -0700
        Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-24 10:47 -0700
  Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-24 09:37 -0700
  Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-25 15:07 -0500
  Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-29 09:56 -0700
    Re: Even more problems with lcc-win supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-03-29 10:39 -0700
    Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-29 12:22 -0700
      Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-29 15:10 -0700
        Re: Even more problems with lcc-win Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-03-29 16:58 -0700
    Re: Even more problems with Seed7 jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-30 01:02 +0200
      Re: Even more problems with Seed7 Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-30 01:05 -0500
        Re: Even more problems with Seed7 Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-30 01:19 -0500
          Re: Even more problems with Seed7 mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 04:19 -0700
    Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-30 00:34 -0700
      Re: Even more problems with lcc-win David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-30 13:05 +0200
      Re: Even more problems with lcc-win jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-03-31 00:00 +0200
        Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 00:28 -0700
    Re: Even more problems with lcc-win mertesthomas@gmail.com - 2017-03-30 00:50 -0700

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