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Re: Understandability

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Understandability
Date 2015-05-08 14:32 -0700
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raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>> David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Gnu is right to call their work a collection. It is really a fiction 
>> > that gcc is a free-standing program.
>> 
>> Saying it's a "fiction" implies that someone is making that claim.
>
> The claim has been made, repeatedly, in this very newsgroup, that gcc
> and glib are completely separate programs and systems which should never
> be assumed to be used together and a fault of the Ganuck system is not a
> fault of the Ganuck system at all, really, honestly, and we're not
> trying to embrace-and-extent, oh no, pinky swear guv'.

No, it has been pointed out that gcc and glibc (not glib, which is
something else) are two separate projects, both of which may be
components of a C implementation.  There are C implementations that
incorporate gcc with a library other than glibc, and there are C
implementations that incorporate a compiler other than gcc with glibc.

The point of the distinction is that, for example, if the rand()
function misbehaves in a program compiled with gcc, it's probably not a
gcc bug; it's a bug in whatever library provides the implementation of
rand().  That library may or may not be glibc.

Of course gcc and glibc are both GNU projects, and of course that
implies a relationship between them.

In any case, the distinction between gcc and glibc isn't what was being
discussed.  GCC itself is not a single compiler; it's a collection of
compilers for several different languages.  The "gcc" command is what's
used to invoke one of those compilers, and possibly other parts of the
implementation such as a linker.  David seemed to be implying that
someone has been falsely claiming that gcc is a free-standing program;
I'm not aware of anyone making that claim, nor do I see any connection
between that and what you're talking about.

> Fiction? Or simple dishonesty on the part of the Stallmaniados?

Neither, just an excuse for you to rant about the GNU project (which,
for the record, I am neither attacking nor defending).

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 17:55 -0700
  Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-01 19:41 -0700
  Re: Understandability wssimms@gmail.com - 2015-05-01 20:45 -0700
  Re: Understandability Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-02 10:38 +0100
    Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 09:15 -0700
      Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-04 09:26 +0200
        Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-04 12:52 -0700
  Re: Understandability Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-05-02 14:21 +0200
    Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-02 09:13 -0700
      Re: Understandability Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-03 08:07 +1200
      Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-02 13:11 -0700
        Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-03 10:50 -0700
          Re: Understandability Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 13:26 -0700
            Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-04 12:29 -0700
              Re: Understandability Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-05 05:47 -0700
        Re: Understandability raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-08 21:10 +0000
          Re: Understandability Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-09 09:17 +1200
          Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-08 14:32 -0700
            Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-09 09:13 -0700
              Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-09 16:48 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 11:05 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-11 08:48 +0200
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:55 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-11 17:52 -0400
                Re: Understandability glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 22:54 +0000
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-12 08:49 +0200
                Re: Understandability Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-12 02:15 -0500
                Re: Understandability Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-05-25 03:15 +0300
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-25 00:45 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-25 10:26 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 10:06 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-12 08:59 +0200
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 08:37 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-13 08:53 +0200
                Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-13 08:16 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 09:49 -0700
                Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-13 10:53 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 10:35 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-13 09:31 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-13 13:10 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-14 10:27 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-14 22:51 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-15 10:02 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-15 13:37 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-16 09:18 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-16 23:56 +0200
                Re: Understandability gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-05-17 12:45 +0000
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-17 09:16 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-17 12:47 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-18 10:54 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-18 15:00 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-19 09:49 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-19 13:10 -0400
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-16 19:01 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-17 09:30 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-17 12:58 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-18 10:54 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-18 14:56 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-19 09:46 -0700
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-19 13:16 -0400
                Re: Understandability Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-19 18:23 +0100
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-19 14:02 -0400
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-19 00:11 +0200
                Re: Understandability James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-05-18 18:28 -0400
                Re: Understandability Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-15 10:52 -0700
                Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-13 21:53 +0200
          Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-09 16:18 +0200
          Re: Understandability Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-05-09 18:31 +0200
            Re: Understandability raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-17 10:44 +0000
              Re: Understandability glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-17 15:53 +0000
      Re: Understandability David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-04 09:15 +0200
        Re: Understandability Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-05-16 00:28 +0000
  Re: Understandability Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 10:58 -0700

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