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From Dr Nick <3-nospam@temporary-address.org.uk>
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Subject Re: Wiki
Date Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:48:00 +0100
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Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> Dr Nick <3-nospam@temporary-address.org.uk> writes:
>> "robin" <robin51@dodo.mapson.com.au> writes:
>> > "Joe Pfeiffer" <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message news:1bei2e54d4.fsf@snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net...
>> > | "robin" <robin51@dodo.mapson.com.au> writes:
>> > |
>> > | > "Georg Bauhaus" <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> wrote in message
>> > | > news:4dda09ca$0$6629$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net...
>> > | > |
>> > | > | According to Wikipedia, counting all CPUs sold, even the share
>> > | > | of 8bit µcontrollers is more than a half. (They give sources for
>> > | > | the numbers.)
>> > | >
>> > | > Wikipedia is not a reliable source.
>> > |
>> > | It's as reliable as any encyclopedia.  What it isn't, is original
>> > | research -- and it doesn't pretend to be.
>> > |
>> > | Do you have a more reliable source that says otherwise?
>> >
>> > A real encyclopedia. 
>> 
>> (assuming "real" == "printed") Which one?
>> 
>> And much more importantly, what does it say about the proportion of
>> total CPUs sold that are 8 bit microcontrollers?
>
> Well, I used to work for a top-10 semiconductor manufacturer and there, 
> by number of units, microcontrollers easily outsold 32-bit CPUs.
>
> Even if every moderately advanced phone has at least 3 32-bit ARM
> cores on it (many have 7 or more). The number of microcontrollers in
> automative applications absolutely dwarfs that. I know we were
> supplying 30 processors for some vehicles, and I know we weren't the
> only supplier.
>
> Every time they make things like microwaves more hi-tech so that they
> need a 16- or 32-bit processor, they find something even dumber to
> put 8-bit microcontrollers into.

Just for the record, I have no dog in the fight about the proportion of
microprocessors.  I'm just responding to the point that "Wikipedia is
not a reliable source" and "a real encyclopedia" is with a gentle
request for what a real encyclopedia says on the subject.
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