Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array

From	James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array
Date	2012-09-05 18:29 -0400
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On 09/05/2012 05:30 PM, army1987 wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:23:04 -0400, James Kuyper wrote:
> 
>>  In
>> particular, your "WTF?" left me wondering whether you thought the
>> optimization was invalid.
> 
> I don't. But 1) I was surprised that strspn() was optimized away, and 2) 
> I seemed to remember seeing a compiler optimizing away printf() some time 
> ago, so I expected that if a compiler would do the former it would do the 
> latter too.

What this particular format string causes printf() to do is relatively
simple. The whole thing could have been optimized all the way down to
fputs("3", stdout). However, in general printf() is far more complicated
than strspn(), which might explain why the strspn() call got evaluated
at compile time, while the printf() call did not.

In particular, printf()'s behavior depends upon the current locale,
while strspn()'s  does not. In this simple program, it's easy to confirm
that there's no possibility of setlocale() being called. However, the
need to check for that possibility might have discouraged any attempt to
pre-evaluate the printf() call.

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Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Francois Grieu <fgrieu@gmail.com> - 2012-09-04 19:14 +0200
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-04 14:08 -0400
    Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Francois Grieu <fgrieu@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 09:56 +0200
      Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-05 07:33 -0400
        Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Francois Grieu <fgrieu@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 23:39 +0200
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-05 18:11 -0400
    Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-05 07:17 -0400
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-04 19:18 +0100
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 18:41 +0000
    Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-04 20:22 +0100
      Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-04 17:07 -0400
        Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-04 17:25 -0400
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-04 18:24 -0400
            Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 17:29 -0700
        Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array army1987 <army1987@ask-for-it.invalid> - 2012-09-04 21:26 +0000
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array army1987 <army1987@ask-for-it.invalid> - 2012-09-04 21:31 +0000
            Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-04 17:41 -0400
              Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array army1987 <army1987@ask-for-it.invalid> - 2012-09-05 20:45 +0000
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-05 17:23 -0400
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array army1987 <army1987@ask-for-it.invalid> - 2012-09-05 21:30 +0000
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-05 23:04 +0100
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-05 18:17 -0400
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-05 18:29 -0400
            Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 21:44 +0000
      Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 21:39 +0000
        Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-04 22:58 +0100
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 22:12 +0000
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2012-09-04 18:55 -0400
      Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 16:51 -0700
        Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-04 20:58 -0400
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Francois Grieu <fgrieu@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 10:04 +0200
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 04:47 -0700
            Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-07 14:04 -0700
              Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Casey Carter <casey_at_carter_dot_net@nospam.invalid> - 2012-09-07 16:40 -0500
              Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 19:54 -0700
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-08 14:15 -0700
                Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-17 12:09 -0400
        Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 04:53 -0700
          Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-07 13:07 +0100
            Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-07 14:08 -0700
            Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 19:41 -0700
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-04 20:26 +0100
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2012-09-04 14:14 -0700
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 04:41 -0700
  Re: Limitations and workarounds to expressions defining size of an array army1987 <army1987@ask-for-it.invalid> - 2012-09-07 13:32 +0000

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