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Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network)

From cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network)
Date 2026-06-25 11:56 +0000
Organization PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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In article <111gm0p$2vhih$2@dont-email.me>,
David Brown  <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>On 24/06/2026 13:04, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <111elok$2g1qh$2@dont-email.me>,
>> David Brown  <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> It's only the setup that is a pain because of legacy terminal support.
>> 
>> Is it really that hard?
>> 
>>      struct termios term;
>>      memset(&term, 0, sizeof(term));
>>      cfmakeraw(&term); // BSD extension
>>      cfsetispeed(&term, B38400);
>>      cfsetospeed(&term, B38400);
>>      term.c_cflag |= CS8 | CREAD | CRTSCTS;
>>      tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &term)
>> 
>
>It took a good deal more than that when I did it.  But it is certainly 
>possible that my reference sources for the task were not the best 
>available.  Note also that it's not just the number of lines of C code - 
>it's knowing what those lines are, what settings you need, which headers 
>to find the declarations, etc.

One presumes that you if you are using, say, the POSIX
interfaces, you'll have some idea of how to write code for POSIX
and have access to a reference.  My system's man pages are
reasonable for the latter.

>>> [snip]
>>> I guess I am used to microcontroller programming - things happen far
>>> more directly and efficiently there.  (Or I use Python, were the source
>>> code is simple and easy, and you don't think about the layers in between
>>> the code and the hardware!)
>> 
>> "Efficiently" with respect to what?  One could argue that MCUs
>> waste a lot of CPU cycles because their software is usually
>> terribly unsophisticated.  A blocking system calll like `poll`
>> allows the operating system to context switch to some other
>> runnable task while the poll is pending, without the complexity
>> of directly handling interrupts.
>
>No, I don't think you can argue that at all - sophisticated software at 
>the OS level wastes as many cycles as sophisticated software at the 
>application level.

Again, I ask, "efficiently" with respect to what?  Note what I
said: "One could argue that MCUs waste a lot of CPU cycles
because their software _is usually terribly unsophisticated_":
emphasis added.

>In my microcontroller programming, the serial handling is as 
>sophisticated or simple as I need it to be.  It could be application 
>code reading and writing hardware registers directly, with busy-waiting 
>loops.  More likely data is transferred into or out of DMA based ring 
>buffers that feed the UART.
>
>What I don't have is layers of possible translations because the user 
>might be connecting to a VT100, or expecting the driver to handle 
>backspace and XON/XOFF.

You are conflating the TTY layer in Unix-style systems with the
serial port driver, specifically.  I will acknowledge that this
is a problem; a TTY-abstraction might have made sense in the
1970s ("VT100?! Luxury. I'm stuck with an ASR Model 37
teletype...."), but does not make a lot of sense now, but that
does not mean that large systems _need_ to use that metaphor.
See the Plan 9 examples I keep sprinkling around; that system
doesn't have a TTY abstraction at all.

>I don't have to pass data up and down through 
>the VFS and devfs, checking user permissions, or system calls that have 
>to check everything coming from user space.  I realise that a lot of 
>this is necessary in Linux (or any other general-purpose OS) - you can't 
>make a system safe for multiple users and multiple programmers without 
>lots of checks, and you can't allow "echo Hello > /dev/ttyUSB0" without 
>lots of abstraction.

The purpose of an operating system is to control hardware,
isolate software principles from one another, and provide useful
programming abstractions.  Essentially what you're saying is
that you don't want or need that, for some kinds of programs.

That's fine.  But to extrapolate from that to, "and this
category of software is more efficient", as an absolute
statement, is what I take exception to: there's too much
disconfirming evidence to the contrary.  Perhaps not in the
programs you personally write, but I took your statement was
general and not restricted to only those programs.

>Directly handling interrupts in a microcontroller is not particularly 
>complex - it's daily work for microcontroller developers.

Yes, because if your needs are not as general as those demanded
by general purposes operating systems on general purpose CPUs,
it can be made reasonably simple.  As I mentioned, most (not
all) programs that target microcontrollers are not terribly
sophisticated, and have very modest requirements in this regard.

>And we too know how to have blocking calls and multiple threads.

...and there are embedded OSes that have system calls and
privileged modes that restrict access to the hardware, too.  :-}

        - Dan C.

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                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-24 10:47 +0000
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                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-25 11:29 +0000
                NIC interrupt rates (was UART discussion; previously was Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-25 15:31 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-25 19:15 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-25 18:29 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-25 20:52 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-26 14:58 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 11:46 -0700
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-27 01:57 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 22:53 +0300
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-27 01:52 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-27 19:46 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-01 13:16 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-07-03 17:00 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-27 20:49 +0300
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-01 13:17 +0000
                UARTs (was Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network)) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-27 18:50 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-23 17:39 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-23 21:11 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-24 11:04 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-24 15:27 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-25 11:56 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-25 21:30 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-27 02:22 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-28 18:59 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-07-07 23:19 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-07-08 14:52 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-07-08 20:56 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-24 15:51 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 14:44 -0700
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 22:30 +0300
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-23 22:48 +0300
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-24 12:18 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-24 22:00 +0300
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-24 20:09 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-25 00:25 +0300
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-25 12:00 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-25 15:37 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) pa@see.signature.invalid (Pierre Asselin) - 2026-06-24 21:21 +0000
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                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-19 16:31 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-19 17:50 +0100
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-19 18:54 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-19 19:58 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-19 21:15 +0100
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-19 22:09 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-20 03:00 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 10:33 -0700
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-19 19:04 +0100
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-06-19 18:55 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-06-19 21:07 +0100
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-20 13:53 +0200
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-06-20 19:25 -0400
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 22:49 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:06 -0500
              Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 06:59 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:47 -0500
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-19 22:47 +0000
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-06-20 14:02 +0200
              Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 02:21 -0700
                Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-19 09:59 +0000
  Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 00:26 +0000
  Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-09 21:21 +0000
    Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-10 12:28 +0000
  Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-06-11 07:24 +0200
  Re: this guy talks about fopen (and im thinking about fopen for network) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-06-14 14:44 +0200

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