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  Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-10 07:46 -0400
    Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-03-10 17:35 -0400
    Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 15:30 -0500
      Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 15:33 -0500
      Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-11 21:56 +0000
      Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 22:31 +0000
        Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 23:29 -0500
          Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 09:09 +0000
            Re: Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 15:50 -0500

#121927 — Informal discussion: comp.lang.rust?

[Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]

I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.

Thoughts?

	- Dan C.

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#121942

On 2025-03-10, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>
> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).

Grownups interested in Rust should have a place for discussing it in
which "anything goes", and Usenet is the best forum in the world for
that.

Now, I strongly suspect that a Rust newsgroup will be ignored by pretty
much the entire current Rust demographic---but it doesn't matter.

Usenet has no security.  People can use fake identies easily.  The
authenticty of next to nothing can be ascertained.  It's not a "safe"
environment. Anyone can say anything. You cannot enforce anything
resembling a code of conduct.

Core Rust development discussions (the sane people) are certainly not
going to move to Usenet, where they cannot enforce their rules.

Most of the remaining demographic clustered around Rust cannot wrap
their heads around that something like Usenet is even allowed to exist.
It mainly consists of paranoid, security-obsessed freaks who are running
from something, and includes a surprising number of social activists.

A Rust forum repugnant to them could foster alterantive narratives.
It would be a benefit to Rust, even if in all likelihood small.

-- 
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#121960

On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
> 
> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 	- Dan C.

There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not 
very active at all.  The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/

Lynn

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#121961

On 3/11/2025 3:30 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>>
>> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
>> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
>> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
>> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
>> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
>> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
>> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>     - Dan C.
> 
> There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not 
> very active at all.  The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
>     https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/
> 
> Lynn

I forgot to CC alt.comp.lang.rust.

Lynn

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#121962

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>> 
>> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
>> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
>> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
>> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
>> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
>> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
>> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 	- Dan C.
>
>There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not 
>very active at all.  The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
>    https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/

Many newsservers refuse to carry the alt hierarchy, so the number of
readers would be significantly less than the comp hierarchy.

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#121964

In article <vqq6gn$25i2t$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>> 
>> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
>> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
>> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
>> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
>> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
>> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
>> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>
>There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not 
>very active at all.

Hmm, I didn't know about that until it came up in this
discussion: my provider doesn't seem to carry it.

> The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
>    https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/

It is.  That, and Zulip, are the main ways that folks in the
community communicate.  Neither is USENET, however.

	- Dan C.

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#121971

On 3/11/2025 5:31 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <vqq6gn$25i2t$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>>>
>>> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
>>> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
>>> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
>>> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
>>> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
>>> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
>>> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not
>> very active at all.
> 
> Hmm, I didn't know about that until it came up in this
> discussion: my provider doesn't seem to carry it.
> 
>> The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
>>     https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/
> 
> It is.  That, and Zulip, are the main ways that folks in the
> community communicate.  Neither is USENET, however.
> 
> 	- Dan C.

News.eternal-september.org carries the alt.* groups.

Lynn

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#121972

In article <vqr2in$2ek3p$2@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/11/2025 5:31 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <vqq6gn$25i2t$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
>>>> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
>>>> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
>>>> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
>>>> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
>>>> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
>>>> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not
>>> very active at all.
>> 
>> Hmm, I didn't know about that until it came up in this
>> discussion: my provider doesn't seem to carry it.
>> 
>>> The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
>>>     https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/
>> 
>> It is.  That, and Zulip, are the main ways that folks in the
>> community communicate.  Neither is USENET, however.
>
>News.eternal-september.org carries the alt.* groups.

That's only one, of many, servers and not everyone uses it; I
don't, for example.  And as I said, my provider doesn't carry
that group, despite carrying some of alt.*.

It occurs to me that the existence of alt groups for similar
topics is a weak reason not to create a big 8 group, because of
the more limited reach.

	- Dan C.

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#121974

On 3/12/2025 4:09 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <vqr2in$2ek3p$2@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/11/2025 5:31 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> In article <vqq6gn$25i2t$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:46 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>>> [Note: Followup-To: set to news.groups.proposals]
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to open informal discussion around possibly creating a
>>>>> new newsgroup, comp.lang.rust, for discussion of the Rust
>>>>> programming language (https://rust-lang.org/).  Rust is a
>>>>> compiled, type- and memory- safe language that has been in open
>>>>> development since 2010, and is rapidly gaining adoption in
>>>>> industry and research.  It often comes up in discussions related
>>>>> to C and C++, but no existing group is dedicated to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> There is a newsgroup for rust already, alt.comp.lang.rust, that is not
>>>> very active at all.
>>>
>>> Hmm, I didn't know about that until it came up in this
>>> discussion: my provider doesn't seem to carry it.
>>>
>>>> The reddit rust group is fairly active comparatively.
>>>>      https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/
>>>
>>> It is.  That, and Zulip, are the main ways that folks in the
>>> community communicate.  Neither is USENET, however.
>>
>> News.eternal-september.org carries the alt.* groups.
> 
> That's only one, of many, servers and not everyone uses it; I
> don't, for example.  And as I said, my provider doesn't carry
> that group, despite carrying some of alt.*.
> 
> It occurs to me that the existence of alt groups for similar
> topics is a weak reason not to create a big 8 group, because of
> the more limited reach.
> 
> 	- Dan C.

alt.comp.lang.rust is also carried by news.i2pn2.org.

news.solani.org does have some of the alt groups but not 
alt.comp.lang.rust.  I'll bet that if someone asked on solani.support, 
they would pick it up.

Lynn

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