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  C++ is doomed wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 11:04 +0800
    Re: C++ is doomed Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 11:47 +0200
    Re: C++ is doomed David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-08-28 11:36 +0000
      Re: C++ is doomed wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 20:24 +0800
        Re: C++ is doomed wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 20:53 +0800
      Re: C++ is doomed Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 20:13 -0700
        Re: C++ is doomed "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 18:29 -0700
          Re: C++ is doomed Mad Hamish <newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au> - 2024-08-30 17:24 +1000
            Re: C++ is doomed Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2024-08-30 12:56 +0300
              Re: C++ is doomed wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 20:26 +0800
                Re: C++ is doomed wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 20:28 +0800
            Re: C++ is doomed "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 12:46 -0700
          Re: C++ is doomed jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-08-30 11:26 -0400
            Re: C++ is doomed "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 12:48 -0700
    Re: C++ is doomed "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 18:28 -0700
      Re: C++ is doomed geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 23:35 -0400
        Re: C++ is doomed "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 21:16 -0700
        Re: C++ is doomed Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2024-08-29 09:44 +0300
        Re: C++ is doomed Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 11:01 +0200
          Re: C++ is doomed "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 12:37 -0700
            Re: C++ is doomed Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2024-08-30 00:34 +0300
      Re: C++ is doomed Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2024-08-29 20:33 -0400
        Re: C++ is doomed jseigh <jseigh_es00@xemaps.com> - 2024-08-30 11:32 -0400
    Re: C++ is doomed Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-08-29 09:38 -0400
    Re: C++ is doomed Mad Hamish <newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au> - 2024-08-30 17:22 +1000
      Re: C++ is doomed Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2024-08-30 12:51 +0300
      Re: C++ is doomed wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 20:18 +0800
    Re: C++ is doomed Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-01 21:04 +0100

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#119922 — C++ is doomed

I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days, 
the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero. 

Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal,
which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, practically).

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#119925

Am 28.08.2024 um 05:04 schrieb wij:

> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100
> in 30 days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

C++ is not for beginners.

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#119926

wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com: 

> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero. 
> 
> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
> than its benefits, practically). 

Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my 
industry.

If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your target 
problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.

Best of luck to you in your career.

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#119929

On Wed, 2024-08-28 at 11:36 +0000, David LaRue wrote:
> wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com: 
> 
> > I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
> > days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero. 
> > 
> > Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
> > inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
> > than its benefits, practically). 
> 
> Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my 
> industry.
> 
Then, your world is very small.

> If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your target 
> problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
> 
> Best of luck to you in your career.

On the contrary, I use C++ exclusively.

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#119930

On Wed, 2024-08-28 at 20:24 +0800, wij wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-08-28 at 11:36 +0000, David LaRue wrote:
> > wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com: 
> > 
> > > I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
> > > days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero. 
> > > 
> > > Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
> > > inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
> > > than its benefits, practically). 
> > 
> > Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my 
> > industry.
> > 
> Then, your world is very small.

Mostly, because I think I proved P!=NP, so I started to study AI. Many looked to
me are misconception, but some app. (auto pilot, AlphaGO, ChatGPT,..) can not be
ignored. I feel NPU (or GPU) will be part of future computation (including 
embeded computing). C/C++ has to support the new hardware. And thus, new 
hardware based app. maybe 'system tool' will appear.

> > If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your target 
> > problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
> > 
> > Best of luck to you in your career.
> 
> On the contrary, I use C++ exclusively.
> 
> 

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#119934

On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
> wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
>
>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
>>
>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
>> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
>> than its benefits, practically).
>
> Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
> industry.
>
> If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your target
> problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
>
> Best of luck to you in your career.
>


AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".


Adaptive containers and feedback-directed optimization,
for example, all these sorts of ideas of "optimization"
as "intelligence" are around a lot, and can result instead
of making work for a farm of GPU's to dribble you soft-balls
while it's crypto-mining on your dime, adaptive containers
and feedback-directed optimization, as an example.

Statistical inference itself and made massively-wide
parallel, can be an open book of sorts, exploiting
deep/wide embarrassingly-parallel for "intelligence".


Even models of inference and reasoning like all the
sorts of ye olde "agents" and what can go a long ways
toward making advantange as of tools and calling the
ability to make things actionable "intelligent".


For the "verum and certum" for verification and certification,
has that pretty much AI is a lot, lot easier than it's
sold out to be, besides how easy it is to impress average
onlookers with a mechanical turk or what, your average commodity
system can run a-plenty of making tractable data, for inference.

It shouldn't matter the language, the intelligence should
pretty much right-quick be able to re-write it in any.

Then, C++ is a particularly optimized and terse yet
expressive form for well-defined object-oriented
procedural then functional programming with a close
affinity to the hardware runtime as usually expressed
by its C roots as of system-programming languages in
the control plane, it's plenty intelligent.

"Doomed", ....

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#119936

On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
>> wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
>>
>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
>>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
>>>
>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
>>> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
>>> than its benefits, practically).
>>
>> Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
>> industry.
>>
>> If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your 
>> target
>> problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
>>
>> Best of luck to you in your career.
>>
> 
> 
> AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
> agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
> model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".
[...]

Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did 
not make a mistake?
> 

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#119961

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
<chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
>>> wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
>>>
>>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
>>>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
>>>> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
>>>> than its benefits, practically).
>>>
>>> Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
>>> industry.
>>>
>>> If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your 
>>> target
>>> problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
>>>
>>> Best of luck to you in your career.
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
>> agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
>> model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".
>[...]
>
>Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did 
>not make a mistake?
>

Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
to suspect that AI code could have any problems

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#119963

On 30.08.2024 10:24, Mad Hamish wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
> <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
>>>> wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
>>>>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
>>>>> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
>>>>> than its benefits, practically).
>>>>
>>>> Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
>>>> industry.
>>>>
>>>> If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your
>>>> target
>>>> problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck to you in your career.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
>>> agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
>>> model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".
>> [...]
>>
>> Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
>> not make a mistake?
>>
> 
> Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
> tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
> to suspect that AI code could have any problems

There is also no reason to suspect it would not have any problems.

So far the most adequate description of the state of the current AI is 
provided by this infographics: https://xkcd.com/1838/

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#119965

On Fri, 2024-08-30 at 12:56 +0300, Paavo Helde wrote:
> On 30.08.2024 10:24, Mad Hamish wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
> > <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > > On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
> > > > > wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
> > > > > > days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
> > > > > > inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
> > > > > > than its benefits, practically).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
> > > > > industry.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your
> > > > > target
> > > > > problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best of luck to you in your career.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
> > > > agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
> > > > model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
> > > not make a mistake?
> > > 
> > 
> > Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
> > tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
> > to suspect that AI code could have any problems
> 
> There is also no reason to suspect it would not have any problems.
> 
> So far the most adequate description of the state of the current AI is 
> provided by this infographics: https://xkcd.com/1838/
> 

From your reply, I would assume you have no real knowledge of AI.
Anyone has little knowledge of AI won't expect it can provide exact answer.
If you understand what O(2^N) mean, there is (pretty much) no exact answer
(algorithm, precisely) for such problems.

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#119966

On Fri, 2024-08-30 at 20:26 +0800, wij wrote:
> On Fri, 2024-08-30 at 12:56 +0300, Paavo Helde wrote:
> > On 30.08.2024 10:24, Mad Hamish wrote:
> > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
> > > <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
> > > > > > wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
> > > > > > > days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
> > > > > > > inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
> > > > > > > than its benefits, practically).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
> > > > > > industry.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your
> > > > > > target
> > > > > > problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best of luck to you in your career.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
> > > > > agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
> > > > > model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
> > > > not make a mistake?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
> > > tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
> > > to suspect that AI code could have any problems
> > 
> > There is also no reason to suspect it would not have any problems.
> > 
> > So far the most adequate description of the state of the current AI is 
> > provided by this infographics: https://xkcd.com/1838/
> > 
> 
> From your reply, I would assume you have no real knowledge of AI.
> Anyone has little knowledge of AI won't expect it can provide exact answer.
> If you understand what O(2^N) mean, there is (pretty much) no exact answer
> (algorithm, precisely) for such problems.
> 

I mean practical algorithm for O(2^N) problems.

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#119975

On 8/30/2024 12:24 AM, Mad Hamish wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:29:42 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
> <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/28/2024 8:13 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 08/28/2024 04:36 AM, David LaRue wrote:
>>>> wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:84a14f68b0a1ebc383cda00624be28f003e7450f.camel@gmail.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30
>>>>> days, the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.Â
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++
>>>>> inventor's" ideal, which is proven not very useful (or more problems
>>>>> than its benefits, practically).
>>>>
>>>> Almost every job of my career required C++.  AI is not trusted in my
>>>> industry.
>>>>
>>>> If you have little use for C++, find something that suits you and your
>>>> target
>>>> problems.  Recommending others to ignore it is nieve at best.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck to you in your career.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AI is not necessarily "sell the business to an unknown
>>> agent hiding in an arithmetized/algebraized information
>>> model guaranteeing neither accuracy nor provenance".
>> [...]
>>
>> Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did
>> not make a mistake?
>>
> 
> Look, just because lawyers have been dragged over the coals for
> tabling motions with non-existant cases referenced by AI is no reason
> to suspect that AI code could have any problems

ROFL! :^D

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#119968

On 8/28/24 21:29, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> 
> Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did 
> not make a mistake?
> 

As long as it did not screw up as much as human programmers.  I had way
too much job security fixing code written by hot shot programmers.  It
was still crappy code as I couldn't do complete redesign or rework in
most cases as the pain level to management caused by the bad code wasn't
high enough.  I could have saved them serious money in cloud costs
otherwise.

Joe Seigh

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#119976

On 8/30/2024 8:26 AM, jseigh wrote:
> On 8/28/24 21:29, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
>>
>> Oh yeah. Let the AI write code, then you are going to make sure it did 
>> not make a mistake?
>>
> 
> As long as it did not screw up as much as human programmers.  

Indeed!

> I had way
> too much job security fixing code written by hot shot programmers.  It
> was still crappy code as I couldn't do complete redesign or rework in
> most cases as the pain level to management caused by the bad code wasn't
> high enough.  I could have saved them serious money in cloud costs
> otherwise.

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#119935

On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:
> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 30 days,
> the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.

It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?


> 
> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ inventor's" ideal,
> which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, practically).
> 

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#119937

On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:
>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 
>> 30 days,
>> the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.
> 
> It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?
> 
> 
>>
>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ 
>> inventor's" ideal,
>> which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, 
>> practically).
>>
> 
Isn't most written in C?

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#119939

On 8/28/2024 8:35 PM, geodandw wrote:
> On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:
>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 
>>> 30 days,
>>> the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.
>>
>> It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ 
>>> inventor's" ideal,
>>> which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, 
>>> practically).
>>>
>>
> Isn't most written in C?

Touche.

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#119943

On 29.08.2024 06:35, geodandw wrote:
> On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:
>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 
>>> 30 days,
>>> the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.
>>
>> It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ 
>>> inventor's" ideal,
>>> which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, 
>>> practically).
>>>
>>
> Isn't most written in C?

The original claim was "the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero."

It looks like some people do not know the AI support in Python is all 
written in C++. Some people must write it and maintain it, so the masses 
can use it via Python.

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#119944

Am 29.08.2024 um 05:35 schrieb geodandw:
> On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:
>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 in 
>>> 30 days,
>>> the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.
>>
>> It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of "C++ 
>>> inventor's" ideal,
>>> which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, 
>>> practically).
>>>
>>
> Isn't most written in C?

The Java-VM and the native Code inside the Java Runtime are written in C++.

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On 8/29/2024 2:01 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 29.08.2024 um 05:35 schrieb geodandw:
>> On 8/28/24 21:28, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 8/27/2024 8:04 PM, wij wrote:
>>>> I just surveyed a local book store for computers: Among the Top100 
>>>> in 30 days,
>>>> the most books is for AI using Python. C++? zero.
>>>
>>> It's funny when the runtime for certain langs are written in C++?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I am not surprised. It seems C++ is the play ground of 
>>>> "C++ inventor's" ideal,
>>>> which is proven not very useful (or more problems than its benefits, 
>>>> practically).
>>>>
>>>
>> Isn't most written in C?
> 
> The Java-VM and the native Code inside the Java Runtime are written in C++.

C is still nice wrt creating the API's for libraries. The library itself 
can be written in C++. However, it uses C for its exposed API.

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