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Re: rational numbers

From alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: rational numbers
Date 2021-09-17 19:19 +0200
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Il 17/09/2021 11:15, David Brown ha scritto:

> You will quickly get meaninglessly big numbers if you use rationals for
> that kind of thing.  Calculations with rationals usually only makes
> sense for pure mathematics and number theory, not applied mathematics or
> physics.

A tool is crafted for a certain scope, you could but don't want to peel 
an apple with a cutter. If a tool is present in a computer language's 
library that doesn't mean every one has ever to use it.

> C++ arithmetic aims for efficiency, predictability, and fixed sizes.
> Fixed size rationals are of quite limited use - you can't do much
> arithmetic on them before the sizes overflow.  

This is my personal opinion: C's and C++'s search for efficiency is 
probably one of the cause that made other computer scientists develop 
newer or more complete and easy to use computer languages.

> For C++, it's a /lot/ harder to decide what to do for the standard
> library, as C++ programmers have such different needs.  Someone who just
> wants to do arithmetic up to 4K bits for cryptography will not want the
> cost to support megabit sizes.  Someone who needs a lot of decimal I/O
> might want a base-10 model rather than a base-2 model.  People with
> particular processors might want a model optimised for the SIMD
> instructions they have, though it might be much less efficient on other
> processors.

If something is in the standard library that doesn't mean everyone has 
to use it. Your argument is valid if it were made a built in facility, 
but in Common Lisp you have the usual fixed sized numerical types as 
well as the wider and heavier ratios or numbers of arbitrary precision.
it's at your discretion use those things or not.

> C++ does not try to put /everything/ a programmer might need into its
> standard library - it aims to have the tools and basics there, so that
> others can make libraries as needed.  That's the case here.

Libraries are a bless, but there are so many of them all around you get 
confused, and one has to spend many weeks studying one of them to obtain 
something you could do inside your favourite programming language.

I have written, some years ago, a silly game in C++, quite similar to 
Amiga's Colors. The platform used to develop it was linux. and well, to 
paint on the screen I had to use an external library (Allegro 4).

Another toy program that I wrote uses FLTK's GUI facility. If I had the 
opportunity of a graphics library inside C++, my program could just be 
recompiled on Windows to work, without having to compile the library 
using tools like cygwin to make it working in Windows.

>>> The only advantage what rationals offer above floating-point is that
>>> the calculation results are always exact. However, in numeric
>>> programming the input data often comes from a physical measurement,
>>> meaning that it already contains measurement inaccuracies. 

Physics is not the only Science out there

>> [...] you could develop examples with
>> integer numbers just for didactic goals. C++ must be learned like any
>> other discipline. And having wide numerical facilities can be very
>> useful permitting to develop new strategies by tackling numerical
>> problems in a different way.
>>

> I agree with those aims.  And a C++ standard library for rational
> numbers would be completely against that aim 

Why?

- how could you learn about
> making good classes and abstractions using rational numbers if the
> library already supported them?  Make it yourself - that's how you will
> learn.

You could just try to reinvent the wheel, thinking about how it could be 
implemented. But that doesn't mean having rationals in the language 
hinder you to mimic its functionality.

Thank you,

alessandro

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  Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-16 16:40 +0300
    Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-16 18:24 +0200
      Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-16 17:05 +0000
        Re: rational numbers Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-09-16 19:58 +0200
        Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-17 09:21 +0200
          Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-17 10:34 +0200
            Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-17 15:55 +0200
              Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-17 17:49 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-17 18:22 +0200
          Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-17 22:07 +1200
            Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-17 13:32 +0200
              Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-18 09:15 +1200
            Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-17 14:06 +0000
      Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-16 20:41 +0200
        Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-16 21:11 +0100
          Re: rational numbers Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-09-16 21:26 +0100
            Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-16 21:54 +0100
            Re: rational numbers "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 23:07 +0200
              Re: rational numbers "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 23:27 +0200
      Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-16 23:12 +0300
        Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-17 09:50 +0200
          Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-17 11:15 +0200
            Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-17 19:19 +0200
              Re: rational numbers James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-09-17 19:00 -0400
              Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-18 11:39 +0200
                Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-18 11:56 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-18 11:01 +0100
  Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-17 05:36 +0000
    Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-17 09:55 +0200
      Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-17 11:16 +0000
        Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-17 18:33 +0200
        Re: rational numbers Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-10-06 13:06 -0700
    Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-17 14:03 +0000
      Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-17 17:12 +0200
        Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-17 17:16 +0200
          Re: rational numbers Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-09-17 18:59 +0200
            Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-17 17:13 +0000
              Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-19 10:17 +0000
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-19 14:07 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-19 15:58 +0000
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-19 21:53 +0000
      Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-18 09:34 +1200
        Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-18 12:00 +0200
          Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-18 14:54 +0000
            Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-18 17:36 +0100
              Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-18 23:29 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-19 01:09 +0100
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              Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-18 22:48 +0000
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                Re: rational numbers Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-09-19 08:06 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-19 10:26 +0100
              Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-19 10:23 +0000
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                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-19 16:01 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-19 17:39 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-20 05:25 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-20 10:37 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-22 04:58 +0000
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                Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-22 23:13 +1200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-22 13:45 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-24 21:37 +1200
                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-22 15:29 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-23 07:26 +0000
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-19 21:54 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-20 00:31 +0100
                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-20 08:33 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-20 16:11 +0100
                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-20 18:08 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-20 18:39 +0100
                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-20 19:49 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-20 19:04 +0100
                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-20 21:35 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-20 21:38 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-21 10:28 +1200
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                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-21 18:04 +0200
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                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-22 11:09 +0200
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-21 15:38 +0000
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                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-21 16:21 +0000
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                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 17:45 +0100
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-21 17:02 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 18:16 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-09-21 11:53 -0700
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 20:48 +0100
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-21 20:23 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 23:29 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-09-21 13:47 -0700
                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-21 20:11 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 18:33 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-21 20:43 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 18:59 +0100
                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-21 21:20 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-21 20:32 +0100
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-21 20:24 +0000
                Re: rational numbers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-09-21 18:52 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2021-09-21 18:34 +0200
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                Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-22 23:51 +0200
                Re: rational numbers Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-09-23 18:42 +0200
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                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-23 00:17 +0100
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                Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-24 08:48 +1200
                Re: rational numbers Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-09-23 23:05 +0100
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                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-29 13:07 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-10-02 22:57 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-29 12:16 +0000
                Re: rational numbers Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-09-29 20:15 +0300
                Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-30 04:46 +0000
            Re: rational numbers Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-09-19 11:03 +1200
      Re: rational numbers Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2021-09-19 10:12 +0000
  Re: rational numbers Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-23 07:38 -0700
    Re: rational numbers alessandro volturno <alessandro.volturno@libero.it> - 2021-09-24 09:45 +0200
      Re: rational numbers Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-24 07:50 +0000
      Re: rational numbers David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-09-24 10:58 +0200
        Re: rational numbers Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-09-24 02:48 -0700

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