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Re: Structured binding considered harmful

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: Structured binding considered harmful
Date 2020-03-22 15:01 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 3/22/20 10:59 AM, Daniel wrote:
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 9:32:53 AM UTC-4, James Kuyper wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 8:22:22 AM UTC-4, jacobnavia wrote:
...
>>> Your tone. That's right, that hideous tone you use. That overflowing 
>>> self esteem that transpires "You are an idiot, a wanna-be. I am a real 
>>> expert", that complete lack of elementary manners, that's what makes you 
>>> so nauseating.
...
>> Keep in mind that Bonita has no better manners than Sam.
> 
> False on this thread. Bonita's replies to Sam are restrained and respectful 
> and her point is justifiable.

Bonita routinely insults anyone who disagrees with her, calling them
incompetent. If anyone dares to claim to have actual experience
disagreeing with what she considers to be possible, she routinely
responds by calling them liars. She often does these things instead of
responding to the points they raised.

This wouldn't be so bothersome if she restricted such activities to
people who were actually incompetent or liars. However, many of the
people she's accused of incompetence have demonstrated more competence
in this newsgroup than she ever has, and many of the things that she
says have to be lies because they don't fit her understanding of how
things work are things I have observed with my own eyes.

And, as Ian rightly pointed out, there's nothing respectful about
quoting other people's words without properly attributing them.

>> He's only claiming to be able to do what she says cannot be done, and that > claim implies nothing more than ordinary C++ programming skills.
> 
> I find this response even more depressing than Sams'. Even
> Sam concedes he is trolling Bonita. His "claim", to the extent he is making 
> one, is wrong. The point of contention is whether whether auto can always be 
> used safely,

Some people are arguing that auto can't always be used safely - but with
no one disagreeing with them on that point, it can't accurately be
described as a point of contention.

What is being claimed is that auto can often be used safely - what it
conceals about the type it stands in for is often something that there
is no need to know about, at least, not if the code actually compiles
without relevant warnings or error messages.

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Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-13 00:13 +0100
  Re: Structured binding considered harmful Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com> - 2020-03-13 00:46 -0700
    Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-14 09:10 +0100
  Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-13 09:40 -0700
    Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-14 09:05 +0100
      Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-14 03:19 -0700
        Re: Structured binding considered harmful Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-03-15 11:08 +0000
          Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-15 09:46 -0700
            Re: Structured binding considered harmful "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2020-03-15 19:27 +0100
              Re: Structured binding considered harmful Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-15 15:15 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2020-03-16 05:23 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2020-03-16 05:54 +0100
              Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-16 00:20 -0700
  Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-13 23:08 -0400
    Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-14 08:59 +0100
      Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-14 10:09 -0400
        Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-14 18:32 +0100
          Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-14 18:33 -0400
  Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-15 17:50 +0100
    Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-16 00:11 +0100
      Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-16 05:24 +0100
        Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-16 06:46 -0400
          Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-16 12:52 +0100
            Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-16 08:32 -0400
              Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-16 13:51 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-16 20:06 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-17 06:37 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-17 07:17 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-17 18:37 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2020-03-17 18:50 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 06:30 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 11:38 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 08:17 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 13:19 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 08:31 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 14:15 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 10:13 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 15:45 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 11:36 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 17:59 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 13:18 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 18:27 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 14:41 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 19:46 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 19:46 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-19 06:41 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-19 07:02 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-19 12:41 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-19 06:10 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-19 14:15 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-19 19:23 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 09:18 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-20 05:31 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 13:40 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-20 08:50 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 09:30 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-20 10:13 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 10:36 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-21 12:06 +1300
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-20 16:37 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 17:17 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-21 10:09 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 11:21 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-03-21 13:09 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-03-21 22:33 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-03-20 17:30 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 10:49 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-03-20 18:47 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 17:41 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-20 18:06 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 06:31 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-21 09:50 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 14:59 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-21 10:42 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 16:09 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-21 11:12 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-20 18:05 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 15:57 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-20 23:23 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-20 21:08 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2020-03-21 08:24 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 01:36 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 06:30 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-21 09:51 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-22 13:22 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-03-22 13:24 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 06:32 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-22 07:59 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-22 13:02 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-22 17:09 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-22 13:35 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-22 17:54 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-22 17:19 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-22 21:46 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-22 19:06 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful danielaparker@gmail.com - 2020-03-22 17:11 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-22 22:16 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2020-03-25 20:38 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-25 20:01 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful danielaparker@gmail.com - 2020-03-22 10:58 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-23 07:41 +1300
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-22 15:01 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-22 10:24 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-20 20:15 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-21 08:32 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-21 11:27 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2020-03-21 13:34 +0000
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 07:11 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-21 10:45 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 08:03 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-19 08:24 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-19 09:05 +1300
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-18 19:47 -0400
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-18 11:43 -0700
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-03-18 19:48 +0100
                Re: Structured binding considered harmful James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-03-18 12:37 -0700
          Re: Structured binding considered harmful jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2020-03-16 16:11 +0100
            Re: Structured binding considered harmful Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2020-03-17 08:17 +1300
            Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-16 13:12 -0700
            Re: Structured binding considered harmful Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2020-03-16 20:13 -0400
  Re: Structured binding considered harmful Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-17 19:46 +0000
    Re: Structured binding considered harmful Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-03-21 01:43 -0700

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