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Op 11.dec..2019 om 12:20 schreef boltar@nowhere.co.uk:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 03:13:44 -0800 (PST)
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 4:50:06 AM UTC-5, bol...@nowhere.co.uk
>> wrote:
>> ....
>>> Perhaps I was spoilt - I went straight from 8 bit at home to unix at
>> university
>>> so I was used to using HP-UX and Solaris at 21. Then I was introduced to
>>> Windows. It was like going from a Ferrari to a Lada and NT didn't nothing to
>>> dispel that imagine. It crashed, it had to rebooted once a week as it had
>>> a serious memory leak issues and it was a slow as a dog. If that was a breath
>>
>>> of fresh air then god knows what you were breathing beforehand.
>>
>> As I remember it, NT almost never crashed, but I'm not sure what I meant
>> by "almost never" when I formed that memory. Windows 3.1 typically
>> crashed several times per day for me, so a weekly crash might have felt
>> like "almost never" by comparison.
>>
>> Like you, my experience with Unix pre-dated my experience with either
>> DOS or Windows, and those Unix systems were very reliable. However,
>> those systems were mainframes being maintained by professional
>> sysadmins; I would not have dreamed of expecting the same reliability
>>from a desktop machine that I maintained myself.
> 
> The basic reliability of an OS should be independant of how well or otherwise
> its administered so longs as patches are installed.
> 

The reliability also depends on the amount of (third-party, cheap) 
hardware used in those systems. Those early Unix systems supported far 
less hardware. There is a reason why Microsoft later introduced 
Microsoft certified drivers.
I was used to VMS systems. I remembered how in that time the same 
argument was used against Unix and pro VMS.
When later-on Linux started to supported the same hardware as Windows, I 
also saw "kernel panic" very often. (But it was not blue. :-)

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