Re: "Unicode"

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From	Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
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Subject	Re: "Unicode"
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"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> writes:
> On 06.09.2016 01:17, Keith Thompson wrote:
[...]
>> My point is that "Windows ANSI" is a misnomer.
>
> In that, you're right.
>
> But I have not written or implied it's not.

You use the phrase without pointing out that it's incorrect.

> Please provide a quote to back up that implied assertion.

From upthread:

    Unfortunately in Windows the default g++ standard library
    implementations expect Windows ANSI, i.e. incompatible with the
    compiler's C++ execution character set, and there's no way to
    change the locale to an UTF-8 one.

>>  The character sets in question were intended to be an ANSI standard(s),
>
> No.
>
> Windows ANSI Western, codepage 1252, was based on a draft of ISO 
> Latin-1, then, as I recall, developed in cooperation between the ANSI 
> institute in America, and its French counterpart.
>
> It was not intended to an ANSI standard: it was possibly intended to be 
> one-way compatible with the ANSI standard ISO Latin-1, since it is a 
> strict superset.
>
> Regarding the other Windows ANSI character sets they include e.g. Shift 
> JIS, which has almost no relation to Windows ANSI Western.
>
> I believe some of them are ANSI and ISO standards, but maybe not.
>
>
>> but they were never approved.
>
> Please provide evidence that they were submitted for standardization.

Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_code_page#ANSI_code_page :

    ANSI Windows code pages, and especially the code page 1252,
    were called that way since they were purportedly based on drafts
    submitted or intended for ANSI. However, ANSI and ISO have not
    standardized any of these code pages.

My statement seems to have been imprecise.

>>  The collection of code pages sometimes referred to as
>> "Windows ANSI" have nothing to do with the American National Standards
>> Institute.
>
> In that, you're right.
>
> But I have not written or implied the opposite.
>
> I think you're just trying to associate with me with the silly notions 
> that you APPEAR to be arguing against.
>
> If so then that's not very honest argumentation.

I think you're overreacting to my criticism.  You referred to "Windows
ANSI".  There's really no such thing, though it's a common misuse.

[snip]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
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"Unicode" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 12:06 -0500
  Re: "Unicode" Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 11:52 -0700
    Re: "Unicode" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 12:24 -0500
      Re: "Unicode" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-08-30 18:50 +0000
        Re: "Unicode" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 14:11 -0500
          Re: "Unicode" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-08-30 19:44 +0000
        Re: "Unicode" Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-08-30 21:29 +0100
          Re: "Unicode" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-08-31 20:31 +0000
            Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 01:50 +0200
              Re: "Unicode" Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 18:47 -0700
                Re: "Unicode" "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-09-01 06:01 -0500
              Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-08-31 23:06 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-01 15:21 +1200
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 15:07 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 08:02 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-09-01 18:46 +0000
                Re: "Unicode" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-01 10:09 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 17:58 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 15:08 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 21:20 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 20:52 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 14:44 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 10:10 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 16:35 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 12:26 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 17:02 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 12:33 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 17:53 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 19:20 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 16:36 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 21:45 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-02 19:57 -0400
              Re: "Unicode" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2016-09-01 18:45 +0000
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 15:11 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-01 22:27 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 21:37 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 20:53 -0400
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 05:57 +0200
      Re: "Unicode" Bo Persson <bop@gmb.dk> - 2016-08-30 21:30 +0200
        Re: "Unicode" Bo Persson <bop@gmb.dk> - 2016-08-30 21:40 +0200
        Re: "Unicode" Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 13:39 -0700
  Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-01 21:54 +0100
    Re: "Unicode" raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-09-03 08:00 +0000
      Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-03 14:10 -0500
        Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 09:56 +0200
          Re: "Unicode" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2016-09-04 14:37 +0300
            Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 12:53 +0200
              Re: "Unicode" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2016-09-05 15:30 +0300
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 16:13 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2016-09-05 22:03 +0300
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-05 15:35 -0700
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 00:18 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-05 16:17 -0700
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 01:20 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-05 17:16 -0700
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 02:42 +0200
                Re: "Unicode" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2016-09-05 23:05 +0100
          Re: "Unicode" Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-04 21:37 +0100
            Re: "Unicode" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2016-09-05 00:22 +0300
              Re: "Unicode" Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-05 21:32 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2016-09-06 00:00 +0300
                Re: "Unicode" Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-07 21:19 +0100
                Re: "Unicode" "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 02:16 +0200

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