Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays

From	"Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject	Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays
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Date	2011-04-13 20:17 +0100

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"Noah Roberts" <dont@email.me> wrote in message 
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> On 4/12/2011 7:49 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 11:46 pm, Noah Roberts<d...@email.me>  wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2011 1:01 PM, cg_chas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Surely you must realize that you have chosen to make a point to debate 
>>>> the
>>>> wording of his statement rather than the subjectively misarticulated 
>>>> meaning of
>>>> his response with regards to the former example.
>>>
>>> In my opinion I didn't "miss-articulate".  The void* type is an "opaque
>>> type" rather than a pointer.  The standard calls it "pointer to void"
>>> but as we all know there's no such thing as a "void object".  The
>>> standard also has all kinds of special clauses for this type.  Alf has
>>> also already claimed that the standard is not useful in defining
>>> conversational language about C++.  The only alternative that I can
>>> think of is to speak in concepts.
>>
>> So lets take char*. It is pointer to char (a byte).
>>
>>   char const* hi = "Hello World";
>>
>> I don't know anyone who say in conversational language looking at that
>> code that hi points to first byte in string literal.
> [rudeness snipped]
>
> Then obviously such people don't consider it a pointer.  Do they treat it 
> like a pointer or do they treat it like a null-terminated string literal?
>
> You're still performing a category error.  If we need a language to 
> discuss pointers that includes things like shared_ptr and other smart 
> pointers (which are not, standardly speaking, pointers) then we need to 
> discuss terms.  A pointer concept is, again, the only thing I can think of 
> that provides a reasonable alternative to the standard language.  The 
> concept of course adds things not considered pointers by the standard and 
> we might also assume that it excludes things that are (such as void*).
>
> Of course, people who are still using char* for strings are stuck in the 
> old days.  Further, they're use of incorrect language to call any char 
> const* a string literal is bound to cause them problems some day.  If we 
> want a reasonable, correct, useful conversational language than a better 
> response is probably that 'hi' happens to point INTO a string literal at 
> the moment.
>
> -- 
Slightly inssne, I funno

> http://crazycpp.wordpress.com

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On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 04:00 +0200
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2011-04-12 00:13 -0400
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 05:17 +0100
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 14:02 +0100
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 14:10 +0100
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 14:49 +0100
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 10:05 -0400
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 01:11 -0400
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-04-11 23:24 -0700
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 00:16 -0700
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 13:53 +0100
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 14:08 +0100
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 14:05 +0100
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 14:48 +0100
          Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 07:53 +1200
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 22:14 +0200
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-04-12 15:39 -0700
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Goran <goran.pusic@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 01:39 -0700
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 20:51 +1200
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-04-12 21:51 +0000
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> - 2011-04-12 09:59 +0100
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 16:25 +0200
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> - 2011-04-12 16:07 +0100
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 17:32 +0200
          Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> - 2011-04-12 16:53 +0100
            Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 18:16 +0200
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> - 2011-04-12 17:39 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 19:32 +0200
                Re: DILLIGAF cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> - 2011-04-12 19:05 +0100
                Re: DILLIGAF Peter Remmers <p.remmers@expires-2011-04-30.arcornews.de> - 2011-04-12 20:36 +0200
                Re: DILLIGAF cpp4ever <n2xssvv.g02gfr12930@ntlworld.com> - 2011-04-12 20:47 +0100
                Re: DILLIGAF gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 14:48 -0700
                Re: DILLIGAF Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-04-12 15:16 -0700
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 17:48 +0100
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-12 09:37 -0700
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 18:34 +0100
    Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 19:38 +0200
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-12 11:00 -0700
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 20:03 +0200
          Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-12 11:06 -0700
            Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Peter Remmers <p.remmers@expires-2011-04-30.arcornews.de> - 2011-04-12 20:26 +0200
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-12 11:33 -0700
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Peter Remmers <p.remmers@expires-2011-04-30.arcornews.de> - 2011-04-12 20:55 +0200
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 20:14 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-12 12:47 -0700
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Peter Remmers <p.remmers@expires-2011-04-30.arcornews.de> - 2011-04-12 22:40 +0200
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 14:15 -0400
        Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 20:52 +0200
          Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 20:23 +0100
          Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 16:01 -0400
            Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-12 13:46 -0700
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-04-12 19:49 -0700
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays hanukas <jukka@liimatta.org> - 2011-04-13 00:06 -0700
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 04:14 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2011-04-13 07:53 -0700
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 09:52 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 05:20 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 10:31 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 07:04 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 12:35 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 07:41 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-14 07:47 +1200
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-14 11:44 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-04-13 18:41 +0200
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-13 09:35 -0700
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 20:17 +0100
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 04:33 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 04:35 -0400
            Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 01:19 +0100
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 04:01 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 04:20 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 09:56 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 05:24 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 10:34 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 07:07 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 12:36 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 07:43 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 13:18 +0100
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 08:30 -0400
            Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Alf P. Steinbach /Usenet" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 15:57 +0200
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Leigh Johnston <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2011-04-13 15:10 +0100
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 11:09 -0400
                Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 12:04 -0400
            Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Noah Roberts <dont@email.me> - 2011-04-13 09:56 -0700
              Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays cg_chas <cg_chas@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-13 14:11 -0400
      Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays "Paul" <pchristor@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-04-12 19:29 +0100
  Re: On generally accepted terminology for pointers and arrays Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-04-12 09:36 -0700

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