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Re: UTF-8 and strings

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"MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> writes:
> I guess I have a hard time seeing how anything multi-byte is a boon. But, 
> and it's a big but (not to be confused with a phat azz!), if one doesn't 
> need "internationalization" (I mean other than English), it's a waste of 
> effort. Yes? 

But that's the thing:  if you're just doing things casually, but,
e.g., want to use a few special chars here and there, or allow users
more freedom in what filenames they're allowed to use, then UTF-8
_doesn't_ require much effort, it's a fairly easy tweak to ASCII-only
code.  If the bulk of strings are English, then UTF-8 is also very
space-efficient.

It's UTF-16, which requires even the most trivial parts of
string-handling paths to be completely replaced, that's a pain in the
butt -- and then really offers almost no advantage to offset the
various disadvantages!

The only reasons I can see to use UTF-16, are: (1) you're writing
windows-only code, never expect to port it, and want to fit better
with windows library functions that expect UTF-16 strings, or (2)
you're writing an app to handle absolutely _massive_ amounts of CJK
text, and the space savings for CJK text in UTF-16 compared to UTF-8
are critical for you.

Very, very, few people are doing (2), so basically that leaves (1).

-Miles

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UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-07 08:08 -0700
  Re: UTF-8 and strings Asger-P <junk@asger-p.dk> - 2011-06-07 17:26 +0200
    Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-08 17:58 -0700
      Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 18:21 -0700
        Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-09 06:38 -0700
  Re: UTF-8 and strings "Balog Pal" <pasa@lib.hu> - 2011-06-07 17:35 +0200
    Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-08 18:08 -0700
  Re: UTF-8 and strings Jeff Flinn <TriumphSprint2000@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-07 12:55 -0400
    Re: UTF-8 and strings Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2011-06-07 15:29 -0500
      Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 07:15 -0500
        Re: UTF-8 and strings yatremblay@bel1lin202.(none) (Yannick Tremblay) - 2011-06-08 15:45 +0000
          Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 12:58 -0500
            Re: UTF-8 and strings yatremblay@bel1lin202.(none) (Yannick Tremblay) - 2011-06-09 09:18 +0000
              Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-09 07:36 -0500
                Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-10 13:18 -0700
                Re: UTF-8 and strings Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2011-06-11 00:29 +0000
    Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-10 12:58 -0700
  Re: UTF-8 and strings diamondback <christopher.rau@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 10:57 -0700
    Re: UTF-8 and strings Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-08 06:38 +0000
  Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-07 13:30 -0700
    Re: UTF-8 and strings Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-06-08 06:52 +0000
      Re: UTF-8 and strings Marc <marc.glisse@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 08:38 +0000
        Re: UTF-8 and strings Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-08 18:02 +0900
          Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:05 -0700
            Re: UTF-8 and strings Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-08 18:11 +0900
          Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 07:22 -0500
        Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:03 -0700
          Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 02:06 -0700
        Re: UTF-8 and strings tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-06-08 02:59 -0700
        Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-08 18:20 -0700
      Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 01:56 -0700
      Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-08 07:19 -0500
        Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-10 13:12 -0700
          Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-10 18:34 -0500
            Re: UTF-8 and strings Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> - 2011-06-11 13:12 +0900
            Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-12 20:52 -0700
              Re: UTF-8 and strings ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2011-06-13 03:57 +0000
                Re: UTF-8 and strings Asger-P <junk@asger-p.dk> - 2011-06-13 10:51 +0200
    Re: UTF-8 and strings Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-08 08:01 +0100
  Re: UTF-8 and strings Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-07 21:35 +0100
    Re: UTF-8 and strings Joshua Maurice <joshuamaurice@gmail.com> - 2011-06-08 01:56 -0700
      Re: UTF-8 and strings Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-09 03:22 +0100
  Re: UTF-8 and strings yatremblay@bel1lin202.(none) (Yannick Tremblay) - 2011-06-08 15:55 +0000
    Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-08 17:55 -0700
      Re: UTF-8 and strings yatremblay@bel1lin202.(none) (Yannick Tremblay) - 2011-06-09 10:02 +0000
        Re: UTF-8 and strings "MikeP" <mp011011@some.org> - 2011-06-09 08:41 -0500
          Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-12 20:57 -0700
            Re: UTF-8 and strings ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2011-06-13 04:46 +0000
              Re: UTF-8 and strings Asger-P <junk@asger-p.dk> - 2011-06-13 11:58 +0200
        Re: UTF-8 and strings "John M. Dlugosz" <uwqejpnp92@snkmail.com> - 2011-06-09 06:52 -0700

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