Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve

From	Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve
Date	2021-06-01 11:17 -0700
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> On 01/06/2021 18:00, Manfred wrote:
[...]
>> I think this would be problematic as well, or at least useless and
>> confusing.
>> The idea for intmax_t is to give a standard name to the widest integer
>> type that is available, which is by definition implementation defined.
>> Having intmax_t an alias for "long long" would change its meaning to the
>> widest /standard/ integer type defined by the standard itself - a
>> useless repetition (we have "long long" for that), and confusing too,
>> given its change in meaning.
>
> Yes, that is all true.  The point is not to find another useful purpose
> for intmax_t - the point is to get rid of it, marking it as deprecated,
> but to do so in a way that won't break existing code.
>
> I am at a loss to understand why anyone would have a use for intmax_t in
> the first place.  When would you want an integer type whose sole
> characteristic is "big" ?  To me, it is logical to want a type that is
> at least N bits, or exactly N bits.  These requirements are covered by
> the normal "short", "int", "long" and "long long" types, or - better for
> my use, but not necessarily other people's - the <stdint.h> fixed size
> types.  "intmax_t" gives you absolutely /nothing/ that "long long" does not.

Suppose you have a type foo_t, and all you know is that it's a signed
integer type.  You can print it using printf("%ju", (intmax_t)n).
(Or in C++ you can use std::cout << n, but intmax_t is inherited from
C's standard library.)

Or suppose you're implementing an arbitrary-width integer type as
an array of fixed-width integers.  You might want each element to
be as wide as possible, because arithmetic on a 2*N-bit integer is
likely to be faster than synthesizing it from two N-bit integers.
(That's assuming that, for example, 128-bit integer arithmetic
isn't drastically less efficient than 64-bit integer arithmetic.)

> Given that there are, as far as we know, no implementations where
> intmax_t does not correspond directly to "long long", I would like to
> see "intmax_t" be dropped to the maximum extent allowable by backwards
> compatibility.

I'd *like* to keep intmax_t and make it work the way it was intended,
but ABI issues made that impractical.  (I'm guessing those issues
weren't anticipated when intmax_t was added in C99.)  Deprecating it
might be the least bad solution.

>> As far as I understand the purpose for intmax_t is to allow for (sort
>> of) 'standard' prototypes of functions like imaxabs, imaxdiv, strtoimax,
>> etc that are supposed to operate on larger integer types - these are the
>> only functions that take this kind of arguments.
>> The confusing part is that all of these facilities are implementation
>> dependent, so even if they are part of the standard they are /not/
>> portable, meaning that the programmer is supposed (the way I see it) to
>> use them under the guard of appropriate preprocessor directives.
>> 
>> The use for them is to allow the programmer to use some optimized
>> routines for larger types, if available.
>
> But they don't allow that.  If you are trying to make optimised routines
> for larger types, you need to know your sizes - you either use
> implementation extensions (like __int128), or fixed size types, or if
> you need maximal portability, you use "int_fast64_t".

And my impression (which could be mistaken) is that __int128 is not an
extended integer type partly *because* it would require making intmax_t
128 bits, which would cause ABI problems.  That, and __int128 is
unfinished (some features are missing), but if it could have been made
an extended integer type perhaps more effort would have been spent
making it fully functional.

>> For example, in case operations like ldiv are needed on 128 bit
>> integers, then IF the implementation supports 128 bit intmax_t then
>> imaxdiv can be a better choice rather than implementing your own routine
>> - note that /IF/ is the keyword here, that should map directly to
>> appropriate #if directives.
>
> The situation we have now is that on a compiler like gcc you can get
> 128-bit division using __int128, but /not/ using intmax_t.  It is a
> useless type.

I suspect it's useful enough for some purposes.  There's probably code
out there that uses __int128 that doesn't need 128-bit division.

[...]

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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-25 13:49 -0500
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 21:07 -0500
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      Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 15:33 -0700
        Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 15:58 -0700
          Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 18:17 -0500
            Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 16:58 -0700
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 19:54 -0700
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-05-31 14:43 -0700
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 11:17 -0700
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-06-01 20:25 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 16:55 -0700
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-02 09:06 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-06-05 17:50 -0700
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-06 11:10 +0200
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-06-02 18:43 +0200
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-06-03 00:49 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-03 09:08 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-03 10:53 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-06-03 16:20 +0200
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-03 19:04 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-06-03 22:24 +0000
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-04 08:46 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-06-05 22:02 -0700
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-06 11:17 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-06-06 18:39 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-06-06 16:33 -0700
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                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-06-01 18:00 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-01 19:15 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-01 15:55 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2021-06-01 13:59 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 13:26 -0500
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-01 08:29 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2021-06-01 14:05 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-06-01 15:58 +0200
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-06-01 11:33 -0400
                Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 10:52 -0700
            Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-05-27 23:16 -0400
            Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-05-28 14:34 +0000
          Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 18:19 -0500
        Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-05-28 03:47 +0200
      Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-27 17:45 -0500
        Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-05-28 14:38 +0000
          Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-05-28 16:44 +0200
          Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-05-28 16:42 +0200
          Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-05-28 18:22 +0300
      Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2021-05-28 08:47 +0300
  Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 06:16 +0200
    Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 13:30 -0500
      Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 20:37 +0200
        Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 14:09 -0500
  Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 18:33 +0200
    Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2021-05-26 13:32 -0500
      Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> - 2021-05-27 07:50 +0200
  Re: recovering from std::bad_alloc in std::string reserve "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 17:35 -0700

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