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Re: How to get standard paths?!?

From Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: How to get standard paths?!?
Date 2019-08-17 19:47 +0200
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Am 17.08.19 um 18:05 schrieb Bonita Montero:
>> You can store any character encoding supported by the compiler in a 
>> wchar_t, unless you are using Windows, which is broken and can't store 
>> Unicode characters in a wchar_t because it is too small.
> 
> The size of wchar_t is implementation-dependent, so Windows isn't broken
> here.

Yes, the size of wchar_t is implementation-dependent, so it's not 
formally broken.

But the Windows implementation is technically broken, as the programmer 
can neither rely on the assumption, that any given character can be 
stored into a wchar_t, nor that iterating over a string will correctly 
return the stored characters, nor that insert/erase/substring operations 
will cut the string properly - which completely defies the purpose of 
wchar_t.

If i have to code multi-byte awareness into each and every string 
operation anyways, there is no point of using wstring instead of string 
and the much more common UTF8 encoding.

And it is getting even worse, as many Windows libraries and Windows 
applications are not aware of the fact, that a Windows wstring is 
supposed to be UTF16. The code is assuming one codepoint per string 
position and fails in an unpredictable way, if the input data acutally 
contains codepoints from the upper pages.

>> On most modern systems, wchar_t matches char32_t.
>> But it is not a  requirement.
> 
> That was where David is wrong.

He's not.

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How to get standard paths?!? Szyk Cech <szykcech@spoko.pl> - 2019-08-17 13:58 +0200
  Re: How to get standard paths?!? "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> - 2019-08-17 14:02 +0200
    Re: How to get standard paths?!? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-17 14:05 +0200
      Re: How to get standard paths?!? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-17 15:11 +0200
        Re: How to get standard paths?!? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-17 15:59 +0200
          Re: How to get standard paths?!? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-17 16:20 +0200
            Re: How to get standard paths?!? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-17 16:28 +0200
              Re: How to get standard paths?!? Ralf Goertz <me@myprovider.invalid> - 2019-08-17 16:37 +0200
                Re: How to get standard paths?!? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-17 16:54 +0200
                Re: How to get standard paths?!? Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-08-17 18:37 +0300
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                Re: How to get standard paths?!? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-25 15:46 +0200
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                Re: How to get standard paths?!? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-17 20:24 +0200
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                Re: How to get standard paths?!? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-18 11:46 +0200
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                Re: How to get standard paths?!? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-17 20:46 +0200
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