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Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod()

From Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod()
Date 2025-03-09 19:55 +0200
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 17:02:32 +0100
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:

> Am 09.03.2025 um 16:26 schrieb Mr Flibble:
> 
> > So it is slow ergo a pointless alternative to what we already have.
> >  
> 
> glibc does it nearly in the same way I do it because the FMA-solution
> isn't portable.
> If fma( a, b, c ) is substituted with a * b + c
> because there's no proper CPU-instruction the whole issue doesn't
> work. 

FMA solution is portable to any standard-complaint C environment.
By standard, it has to work regardless of presence of absence of
FMA hardware.
In absence of FMA hardware it is expected to be rather slow, but still
has to produce correct results.

Unfortunately, Microsoft's library implementation of fma() does not work
correctly on non-FMA hardware. In case when x*y and z have different
signs it fairs somewhat better than when they have the same sign, but
still not good enough. 
So it goes ):
Since under msys2 both gcc and clang rely on Microsoft's library, they
also do not work correctly on non-FMA CPUs.

It would be interesting to test if glibc is better in that regard.
Unfortunately, right now I have no access to any glibc-based system
that runs on sufficiently old hardware.

Anyway, despite all their problems, fma() based solutions are written
in standard C language. The same can't be said about solutions that use
any variant of 128-bit integer arithmetic, either in form of Gnu
__int128 or in form of Microsoft's intrinsic functions.
I think that an absence of standardized 128-bit integer math in both C
and C++ sucks, but I can not change the fact.

> And with support for _udiv128 my solution has about the same
> performance like the Michael's solution with clang++ 18.1.7.
> 

I readily admitted that from practical perspective all 3 solutions
that I posted here (one of each is incorrect) are pointless.

I do have variants that are usefully faster than Standard library for
relevant x/y ratios, but I didn't post them here.
They achieve the speed boost via direct manipulation of binary64 bit
patterns. I am not sure that such solutions are on topic in c.l.c++.

Still, what you say about relative speed is true only on newer CPUs and
only when compiled with MSVC. On Older CPUs, like Intel Skylake, which
is pretty fast CPU on absolute scale and which still constitutes big
portion of installed base, your code is significantly slower than mine.
Same for newer CPUs with compilers that do not support native long
division.

Here is comparison vs code that I posted here at 2025-03-03 18:10:08
+0200:


Measurements in nsec. 
First result - Intel Skylake at 4.25 GHz
Second result - AMD Zen3 at 3.7 GHz

abs(x/y) in range that matters [0.5:2**53]:
Standard MSVC Library -  11.1  10.4
Standard gnu Library  -   5.4  10.7
Yours (MSVc)          -  27.6  11.5
Yours (gcc)           -  36.4  23.7 
Yours (clang)         -  37.4  24.3
my (MSVc)             -  10.7  11.3
my (gcc)              -   7.7   7.6 
my (clang)            -   6.3   7.5

abs(x/y) in full range [2**-2090:2**2090]:
Standard MSVC Library - 109.4 153.5
Standard glib Library - 102.3 155.5
Yours (MSVc)          - 134.9  52.6
Yours (gcc)           - 284.7 151.8
Yours (clang)         - 285.2 156.5
my (MSVc)             -  62.1  61.1
my (gcc)              -  60.8  59.1 
my (clang)            -  59.9  59.3




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a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 11:48 +0100
  Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-24 12:00 +0000
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 13:48 +0100
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-24 13:09 +0000
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 14:22 +0100
          Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-24 17:13 +0200
            Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-24 16:19 +0100
              Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-24 17:52 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 09:09 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 16:17 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 17:26 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 16:45 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 16:57 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 19:17 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 18:58 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 00:36 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 04:15 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-26 08:16 +0000
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 14:27 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-26 14:39 +0000
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          Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-24 15:10 +0000
            Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-24 17:33 +0200
              Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-24 16:48 +0000
  Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-02-24 22:21 +0000
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 07:37 +0100
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-02-25 23:03 +0000
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 02:00 +0200
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Wuns Haerst <Wuns.Haerst@wurstfabrik.at> - 2025-02-26 04:01 +0100
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-02-25 08:24 +0000
  Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-02-27 21:16 +0000
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 07:59 +0100
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:35 +0200
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-02-28 18:12 +0000
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 19:23 +0100
  Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-02-28 18:30 +0000
    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 19:31 +0100
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-02-28 19:47 +0000
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 20:49 +0100
          Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 14:37 +0000
            Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-01 16:58 +0100
              Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 17:11 +0000
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-01 21:02 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 20:32 +0000
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-01 21:37 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 20:45 +0000
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 09:40 +0100
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    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 18:54 +0200
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 17:59 +0100
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    Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 17:10 +0100
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-02 16:22 +0000
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 17:26 +0100
          Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 19:07 +0200
            Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 18:09 +0100
              Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 18:11 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 19:52 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 18:55 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 20:09 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 19:14 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 19:57 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 22:58 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 12:52 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 18:10 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 23:55 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-07 09:51 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 18:20 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 17:30 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 19:27 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 18:39 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 02:01 +0200
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 19:37 +0200
          Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 18:41 +0100
            Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 20:00 +0200
              Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-02 19:01 +0100
      Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 01:31 +0200
        Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 07:41 +0100
          Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 11:08 +0200
            Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 10:31 +0100
              Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 11:46 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 10:54 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 12:09 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 11:21 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 14:09 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-09 15:26 +0000
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 17:02 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 19:55 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 19:10 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 19:27 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 17:23 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-09 20:04 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 19:11 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-09 20:11 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 07:24 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 10:46 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 14:26 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 13:45 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 16:33 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 15:46 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 16:59 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 16:11 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 17:43 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 17:13 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 19:51 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 19:00 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-10 20:38 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 22:34 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 22:36 +0100
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-11 12:47 +0200
                Re: a MSVC and glibc-compatible fmod() Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 23:52 +0100
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