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  MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-10 18:31 +1300
    Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Howard Schlossberg <howard@nospam.fmprosolutions.com> - 2013-12-09 22:46 -0800
    Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-12-10 06:50 +0000
      Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 jclewis43@gmail.com - 2013-12-10 04:57 -0800
        Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Howard Schlossberg <howard@nospam.fmprosolutions.com> - 2013-12-10 11:58 -0800
          Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-11 09:40 +1300
      Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 yapu@invivo.edu (Philippe Manet) - 2013-12-15 16:11 +0100
        Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-12-15 16:19 +0000
          Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 yapu@invivo.edu (Philippe Manet) - 2013-12-22 01:53 +0100
          Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-22 15:05 +1300
            Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-12-22 06:47 +0000
              Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-23 09:36 +1300
                Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-12-22 22:00 +0000
                  Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-23 16:25 +1300
                    Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-12-23 13:03 +0000
                      Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-24 18:30 +1300
                        Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-12-24 07:05 +0000
                          Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-25 08:52 +1300
                            Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-25 13:05 +1300
                              Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> - 2013-12-25 13:52 +1300
                                Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-25 14:26 +1300
                  Re: MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13 Howard Schlossberg <howard@nospam.fmprosolutions.com> - 2013-12-22 22:00 -0800

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#1562 — MacWorld.com: FileMaker 13

A brief overview of the new FileMaker release from MacWorld.com - it's
amazing how many dimbulb journalists are jumping up and down with
excitement because FileMaker databases can be accessed via a web
browser - something that's been possible (if limited) for many versions
now ...


    Filemaker 13: The database is in your browser
    ---------------------------------------------
    A database is useless if your users can't access it, 
    so on Tuesday, FileMaker revealed a major update to
    its FileMaker database platform that allows users to
    access FileMaker databases through a browser.

    Image:
<http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2013/11/filemaker-13-web-dire
ct-billing-100069293-orig.png>

    FileMaker 13 lets users access databases through an
    HTML5-compliant browser.

    The marquee feature of the new FileMaker 13 is 
    FileMaker WebDirect, which allows FileMaker to be
    used through an HTML5-compliant browser. Databases
    accessed via the Web use an interface that mirrors
    that used in the desktop app. Changes made through
    the Web are updated to the FileMaker database in
    real time, so you can see up-to-date information
    regardless of which client was used to make the
    updates. At the time of the release, FileMaker 13 
    supports desktop browsers, with support for mobile
    browsers coming at a later date.

    In version 12, FileMaker introduced themes, a set
    of templates with distinct colors, buttons, fonts,
    and borders. FileMaker offers over 50 themes, all
    of them customizable. To help you give the database
    a uniform look, FileMaker is introducing styles, 
    which let you change the look of objects all at 
    once. You can create custom styles and use them
    later.

    Image:
<http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2013/11/filemaker-13-styles-1
00069294-orig.png>

    With styles, you can give the elements of your 
    database a consistent appearance.

    On the iOS front, FileMaker Go incorporates 
    more iOS behaviors, including popovers, slide 
    controls, and gesture support. The built-in 
    cameras in the iPhone and iPad can now be used to
    scan bar codes, and FileMaker Go supports seven 
    different keyboard types, so you get the 
    appropriate keyboard based on the type of data 
    being entered.

    Other new features include AES 256-bit encryption,
    and an HTML5 administrative console in FileMaker
    Server 13. FileMaker also has several new 
    features specific to database developers.

    Like many other full-featured software packages, 
    FileMaker now offers subscription-based pricing.
    FileMaker quotes its prices on a monthly basis,
    but customers are billed annually. FileMaker 
    Pro 13 is $9 per month; FileMaker Pro Advanced 13
    is $15 per month; and FileMaker Server 13 is $29
    per month.

    If you prefer a traditional software license, 
    that is available, too. FileMaker Pro 13 is $329 
    ($179 upgrade); FileMaker Pro Advanced 13 is $549
    ($299 upgrade); and FileMaker Server 13 is $1044
    ($528 upgrade).

    FileMaker Go for iOS is free. Server concurrent 
    connections for FileMaker Go or FileMaker 
    WebDirect are $25 per month for a five-pack, or 
    $900 for a traditional concurrent-connections 
    license.





Helpful Harry  :o)

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#1563

On 12/9/2013 9:31 PM, Helpful Harry wrote:
>
> A brief overview of the new FileMaker release from MacWorld.com - it's
> amazing how many dimbulb journalists are jumping up and down with
> excitement because FileMaker databases can be accessed via a web
> browser - something that's been possible (if limited) for many versions
> now ...

Well, they jump up and down because FM Web Direct is new technology, 
built from the ground up in the most modern platform possible (HTML5, 
etc), and mimicking the layouts and functionality of the FM Pro client 
almost fully.

IWP was practically useless and CWP takes a web developer to build.  Web 
Direct puts web access in the hands of novices, it provides (though not 
yet officially supported) access for Android phones, and it provides a 
"thin client" (i.e. no development tools) at a lower cost than the Pro 
client.  And more than anything, it provides the first step for 
FileMaker into what is the future of ALL software these days: software 
as a service (SaaS), which may some day replace installed software as 
the application of choice.

I'm not necessarily jumping up and down with excitement over FMWD, but 
they've done a nice job on it and it is a big step for FileMaker.

Howard

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#1564

On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:31:59 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
>  A brief overview of the new FileMaker release from MacWorld.com - it's
>  amazing how many dimbulb journalists are jumping up and down with
>  excitement because FileMaker databases can be accessed via a web
>  browser - something that's been possible (if limited) for many versions
>  now ...

Where they that excited about web or HTML vs. HTML5?

Unfortunately, they do not name where HTML5 comes in with more functions
than former web versions.

What's so special about HTML5? I guess it might and should support flash
plugins - all that stuff with animations and graphics. But this would
require a major upgrade of the FMP interface itself, which does not
support that much in this area.

I want better graphics support. And I wand spreadsheet like operation of
multicell copy/paste. What I get instead is ... not relevant to me.

- Martin

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#1565

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:50:10 AM UTC-5, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:31:59 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> 
> >  A brief overview of the new FileMaker release from MacWorld.com - it's
> 
> >  amazing how many dimbulb journalists are jumping up and down with
> 
> >  excitement because FileMaker databases can be accessed via a web
> 
> >  browser - something that's been possible (if limited) for many versions
> 
> >  now ...
> 
> 
> 
> Where they that excited about web or HTML vs. HTML5?
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, they do not name where HTML5 comes in with more functions
> 
> than former web versions.
> 
> 
> 
> What's so special about HTML5? I guess it might and should support flash
> 
> plugins - all that stuff with animations and graphics. But this would
> 
> require a major upgrade of the FMP interface itself, which does not
> 
> support that much in this area.
> 
> 
> 
> I want better graphics support. And I wand spreadsheet like operation of
> 
> multicell copy/paste. What I get instead is ... not relevant to me.
> 
> 
> 
> - Martin

Before anyone jumps up and down about Web Direct, they need to try it.  SLOW is not the word.  At least IWP would save your data in a timely fashion.  I have tried Web Direct on two of the leading hosting providers of Filemaker.  So, far Web Direct is useless as any kind of tool to use.  Not to mention the lacking of a fundamental function of actually printing a report.  I say they fix it or dump it all together...

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#1569

On 12/9/2013 10:50 PM, Martin Τrautmann wrote:> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013
 > What's so special about HTML5?

There is a good reason that EVERYONE is adopting HTML5 over the old 
HTML: it is capable of providing MUCH more FUNCTIONALITY, which allows 
it to constantly communicate with the server, to provide instant 
validation errors or script triggers upon leaving a field, to update 
changed data without a screen refresh, etc.

(And btw, Martin, I completely agree with desired functionality like 
being able to copy paste multiple "cells" like Excel.  But I'm not sure 
what you are looking for in better graphics support; I feel that FM has 
come a long way in this regard since FM10.)


On 12/10/2013 4:57 AM, jclewis43@gmail.com wrote:
> Before anyone jumps up and down about Web Direct, they need to try it.  SLOW is not the word.  At least IWP would save your data in a timely fashion.  I have tried Web Direct on two of the leading hosting providers of Filemaker.  So, far Web Direct is useless as any kind of tool to use.  Not to mention the lacking of a fundamental function of actually printing a report.  I say they fix it or dump it all together...

As I said, I am not jumping up and down about it either.  It is 
fantastic in some regards but it is only a step above Instant Web 
Publishing in other regards.  And in the case of speed, I fully agree it 
has a long way to go.  FileMaker has posted some recommended hardware 
requirements that seem particularly hefty and unreasonable for a lot of 
FileMaker environments (see 
http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9645/).  I think they 
realize they have some ways to go, but I keep reminding myself that this 
is "v1" for this new technology and I'm sure we'll see improvements in 
subsequent versions.

The potential here is great, but FM WebDirect is definitely NOT going to 
be a good reason to upgrade to 13 for most businesses.

Howard

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#1571

In article <l87rpk$uak$3@news.motzarella.org>, Howard Schlossberg
<howard@nospam.fmprosolutions.com> wrote:

> On 12/9/2013 10:50 PM, Martin Ԥrautmann wrote:> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013
>  > What's so special about HTML5?
> 
> There is a good reason that EVERYONE is adopting HTML5 over the old 
> HTML: it is capable of providing MUCH more FUNCTIONALITY, which allows 
> it to constantly communicate with the server, to provide instant 
> validation errors or script triggers upon leaving a field, to update 
> changed data without a screen refresh, etc.

One of the main selling points of HTML5 in general (not necessarily for
FileMaker) is the animation, etc. it can do which means finally getting
rid of the useless, buggy, resource hog called Adobe Flash.

Apple refusing to allow Flash on iOS devices and not installing it on
their Mac computers is adding to the push to get rid of Flash. Due to
it's infestation of the Internet, that will take a while, but many
places, including ones like YouTube, are moving to HTML5 already.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#1582

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> I want better graphics support. 

you can do nice things with SVG graphics in a webviewer

> And I wand spreadsheet like operation of
> multicell copy/paste.

an old revendication...


-- 
Philippe Manet
en fait, c'est manet avant @

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#1583

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 16:11:35 +0100, Philippe Manet wrote:
>  Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > I want better graphics support. 
> 
>  you can do nice things with SVG graphics in a webviewer

Yes, but I want to see the same things within the FMP program directly -
and I'd like some basic graphics libraries.

FMP is that much into graphical interfaces, where I'd welcome a direct
edit capability as text.

But for SVG it's the opposit - no direct graphical support.

- Martin

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#1616

Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> >  you can do nice things with SVG graphics in a webviewer
> 
> Yes, but I want to see the same things within the FMP program directly -
> and I'd like some basic graphics libraries.

It's what I'm saying :
personnal functions + scripts sending SVG code in a webviever window of
FMP can do nice graphical job.

But it's a hard job
-- 
Philippe Manet
en fait, c'est manet avant @

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#1617

In article <slrnlarllb.19uc.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
Ԥrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but I want to see the same things within the FMP program directly -
> and I'd like some basic graphics libraries.

There's already a ton of graphics available on the Internet.  :o)

Besides, have you looked at FileMaker's own example databases?? Most of
the that I've seen are incredibly ugly (not to mention buggy), so the
last thing we need is FileMaker Inc.'s idea of graphics.



> FMP is that much into graphical interfaces, where I'd welcome a direct
> edit capability as text.

I don't really see a point. It is a database applciation, so if you
want to draw pretty graphics you should be using a graphics
application. Once you start tacking in all these extra features,
software quickly becomes over-bloated.

I can perhaps see some point in things like "mouse over" changes to
button states or similar, but even then databases get too busy and
complicated looking. It's best to keep things relatively simple
(especially if you trying to pass all that imagery over an internet
connection where people may be on slow, dodgey, or data capped plans).

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#1618

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:05:18 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
>  I don't really see a point. It is a database applciation, so if you
>  want to draw pretty graphics you should be using a graphics
>  application. Once you start tacking in all these extra features,
>  software quickly becomes over-bloated.

I'd like some visualisation - not only Excel charts, but at least
something like that.

Two examples where I built FMP solutions with pixel graphics:

Gear ranges (development) ob bicycle sprockets. Take a cadence of 90
strokes per minute and show the speed that you have (given for your
wheel size):

   4                        x
   3                   x
   2              x
   1       x
     0     10      20     30     40     50 km/h

No extend this average value by your cadence range 80..100

   4                      --x--
   3                 --x--
   2            --x--
   1     --x--
     0     10      20     30     40     50

No extend this average value by your cadence range 80..100

Imagine this for up tp three front rings and up to 10 rear sprockets and
you see easily which speeds you can achieve with your gears, how well
they do overlap and where you have the same speed with different gears
(loosing effective combinations).


Another example: a database of locations where you want to show these
locations on a map. 

Of course you could use google maps much better here. But for a somple
overview within the border line of my country I built an internal
solution.

"pixel graphics", that meens 1 point font size and graphics built from
letter text. This worked until FMP 7. But since the broken font
rendering of FMP7 was fixed, they defixed the proper display of 1 point
sized. 

Within FMP graphics I'd obviously expect some mouse-over options for
that map graphic.

- Martin

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#1621

In article <slrnlbd2od.1v90.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
Ԥrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:05:18 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> >  I don't really see a point. It is a database applciation, so if you
> >  want to draw pretty graphics you should be using a graphics
> >  application. Once you start tacking in all these extra features,
> >  software quickly becomes over-bloated.
> 
> I'd like some visualisation - not only Excel charts, but at least
> something like that.
> 
> Two examples where I built FMP solutions with pixel graphics:

I do see simple graphs being handy. If you want complex graphs, then a
proper graphic application or Excel is better idea, afterall, FileMaker
is a database application, not a statistical / mathematical analysis
package. From memory newer versions of Filemaker do now having graphic
abilities. I wasn't really thinking of those as "graphics" though.




> Another example: a database of locations where you want to show these
> locations on a map. 
> 
> Of course you could use google maps much better here. But for a somple
> overview within the border line of my country I built an internal
> solution.

You can probably do that with a static JPEG / TIFF map and a set of X-Y
co-ordinates fairly "easily". Given the scale, it would never be
accurate anyway, altough I guess if you wanted to be really silly you
could do zooming, etc.




> "pixel graphics", that meens 1 point font size and graphics built from
> letter text. This worked until FMP 7. But since the broken font
> rendering of FMP7 was fixed, they defixed the proper display of 1 point
> sized. 

I haven't tried it, but it would make more sense to use 1-pixel
Container fields instead of Text fields, and that should then work in
any version of Filemaker.


Helkpful Harry   :o)

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#1622

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:36:19 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
>  I haven't tried it, but it would make more sense to use 1-pixel
>  Container fields instead of Text fields, and that should then work in
>  any version of Filemaker.

How that? You would need hundreds of container fields with hundreds of
repetitions - or hundreds by hundreds of container fields. It would be a
major pain ITA to place them properly on a layout. No thanks, I can't
imagine how to get this done...

- Martin

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#1623

In article <slrnlbeo7o.1v90.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
Ԥrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 09:36:19 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> >
> >  I haven't tried it, but it would make more sense to use 1-pixel
> >  Container fields instead of Text fields, and that should then work in
> >  any version of Filemaker.
> 
> How that? You would need hundreds of container fields with hundreds of
> repetitions - or hundreds by hundreds of container fields. It would be a
> major pain ITA to place them properly on a layout. No thanks, I can't
> imagine how to get this done...

I've never used it or looked at it closely, but a quick look at a
1-pixel text field graphing exmaple I download years ago shows the Text
field already has a text field with 300 repititions in it.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#1626

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:25:50 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
>  I've never used it or looked at it closely, but a quick look at a
>  1-pixel text field graphing exmaple I download years ago shows the Text
>  field already has a text field with 300 repititions in it.

Ok, so it's text with one single line, many characters wide and many
repetitions.

I used a single text field only, font size 1 pt, line spacing 1 pt.

This worked from FMP2 up to FMP7.

FMP7 had a broken text display, where the same text could have different
width within list view of the same field - perfectly ugly and sometimes
unreadable on the screen.

But font size one was one pixel wide and one pixel high.

Then the font rendering was "repaired".

Now some characters have a different width as 1 pixel font. Multiple
iterations of the same character may have a font kerning that has a
different width than multiples of that number - even and especially for
monospaced fonts.

And line spacing is no longer 1 pixel high, but does add some automatic
spacing between lines.

I don't need any repetitions here, but did use a single text field with
multiple lines. Text replacement operations with substitute and font
formatting with different colors worked, if not simple, but more or less
ok. My own defined functions could insert dots, circles, vertical and
horizontal lines.

The only advantage why repetitions might work better is the effect of
line spacing. I may give that a try.

But FMP double broke a working setup. That's why I'd like them to
re-invent graphics...

- Martin

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#1628

In article <slrnlbgd5f.24ro.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
Ԥrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:25:50 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> >  I've never used it or looked at it closely, but a quick look at a
> >  1-pixel text field graphing exmaple I download years ago shows the Text
> >  field already has a text field with 300 repititions in it.
> 
> Ok, so it's text with one single line, many characters wide and many
> repetitions.
> 
> I used a single text field only, font size 1 pt, line spacing 1 pt.
> 
<snip>
> 
> The only advantage why repetitions might work better is the effect of
> line spacing. I may give that a try.
> 
> But FMP double broke a working setup. That's why I'd like them to
> re-invent graphics...

The exmaple file I have is called "Function Junction" from Brian
Dunning's website <http://www.briandunning.com>
It uses a Text field with 300 repetitions. I don't know whether or not
it will still work (or has been updated) for the "fixed" versions of
FileMaker Pro.

I also have another one of his files called "ChartMaker Pro 7", but
it's a locked one, so I don't know how it actually works. (You probably
have to pay to unlock it and find out.)

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#1629

On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:30:57 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
>  The exmaple file I have is called "Function Junction" from Brian
>  Dunning's website <http://www.briandunning.com>
>  It uses a Text field with 300 repetitions. I don't know whether or not
>  it will still work (or has been updated) for the "fixed" versions of
>  FileMaker Pro.

It's a .fp5 file. Since Rosetta is no longer supported I'll have to dig
for a former system.

CharMaker seems to be locked, as you said. But I guess it still does use
a repeating field setup which you see when you change from form view to
table view.

- Martin

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#1633

In article <slrnlbichu.27mq.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
Ԥrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:30:57 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> >  The exmaple file I have is called "Function Junction" from Brian
> >  Dunning's website <http://www.briandunning.com>
> >  It uses a Text field with 300 repetitions. I don't know whether or not
> >  it will still work (or has been updated) for the "fixed" versions of
> >  FileMaker Pro.
> 
> It's a .fp5 file. Since Rosetta is no longer supported I'll have to dig
> for a former system.

It should open (and auto-convert) okay in newer versions of FileMaker,
but the charting abilitiy itself may not work in "fixed" versions.



> CharMaker seems to be locked, as you said. But I guess it still does use
> a repeating field setup which you see when you change from form view to
> table view.

I'm guessing it does use the same technique, but is locked simply
because it offers a lot more types of chart.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#1635

Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> wrote:

> In article <slrnlbichu.27mq.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
> Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:30:57 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> > >  The exmaple file I have is called "Function Junction" from Brian
> > >  Dunning's website <http://www.briandunning.com>
> > >  It uses a Text field with 300 repetitions. I don't know whether or not
> > >  it will still work (or has been updated) for the "fixed" versions of
> > >  FileMaker Pro.
> > 
> > It's a .fp5 file. Since Rosetta is no longer supported I'll have to dig
> > for a former system.
> 
> It should open (and auto-convert) okay in newer versions of FileMaker,
> but the charting abilitiy itself may not work in "fixed" versions.

FileMaker Pro 12 and later can't open .fp5 (or .fp3) databases. A
two-stage conversion via FileMaker Pro 7-11 is needed.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#1636

In article <1lefnf9.12rq50j1eejcaiN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David
Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Helpful Harry <HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnlbichu.27mq.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
> > ºßrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 18:30:57 +1300, Helpful Harry wrote:
> > > >  The exmaple file I have is called "Function Junction" from Brian
> > > >  Dunning's website <http://www.briandunning.com>
> > > >  It uses a Text field with 300 repetitions. I don't know whether or not
> > > >  it will still work (or has been updated) for the "fixed" versions of
> > > >  FileMaker Pro.
> > > 
> > > It's a .fp5 file. Since Rosetta is no longer supported I'll have to dig
> > > for a former system.
> > 
> > It should open (and auto-convert) okay in newer versions of FileMaker,
> > but the charting abilitiy itself may not work in "fixed" versions.
> 
> FileMaker Pro 12 and later can't open .fp5 (or .fp3) databases. A
> two-stage conversion via FileMaker Pro 7-11 is needed.

Rats! I'd forgotten about the changeover. It will be a pain in the
sit-upon when I eventually upgrade since I'll be skipping over all
those versions. :o(  FileMaker Inc should include a small convertor
application on the install disc or as a free download on the website.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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