Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked

From	Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
Date	2011-08-31 10:26 -0400
Organization	Wheeler&Wheeler
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kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>  While bowing to your experience I though that the internet originated 
> in ARPA net. As that was a closed system concern was with physical 
> attacks not software attacks and that attitude seems to have carried over.
>  
>  Security could be handled by the various file servers used for ftp and  
> later usenet. The WWW originated as an application at Cern and nobody 
> seems to have paid much attention to the fact that when it spread beyond 
> Cern there were no built in security features. 

however, the big switch-over was on 1jan1983 from closed system with
IMPs to "internetworking" protocol ... that was specifically designed to
internet lots of different networks ... which was implicitly open
(although lots of people may have continued to think locally and were
unprepared for wildwest anarchy of open environment).

In the early 80s, there was OSI ... and the government in the late 80s
attempted to eliminate internet, mandating GOSIP.

We ran afaul of OSI attempting to take HSP to ANSI x3s3.3 (ISO charted
standards body for network/transport level related standards). However
at the time, ISO has mandate that protocols that violated OSI model
couldn't be approved. HSP included internetworking support ... which
didn't exist in OSI ... and HSP was rejected (it had a couple other
features which also didn't conform to OSI). misc. past posts mentioning
HSP
http://www.garlic.comp/~lynn/subnetwork.html#xtphsp

for other topic drif ... HTML morphing from SGML
http://infomesh.net/html/history/early

GML had been invented at the science center in 1969
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml

and morphed into SGML a decade later ... before morphing into HTML after
another decade. As previously mentioned, person originally responsible
for DNS in the early 80s, worked at the science center a decade earlier
... misc. past posts mentioning science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

The first webserver outside europe/cern was at SLAC (sister institution
to CERN) on their virtual-machine based (vm370) system (also originated
at the science center):
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history/earlyweb/history.shtml

the technology basis for modern internet was tcp/ip, the operational
basis for modern internet was the nsfnet backbone, and the business
basis for modern internet was cix.

misc. past email working with director of NSF on what was to become
NSFNET backbone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

when the NSFNET backone RFP was released ... internal politics prevented
us from bidding. Director of NSF attempted to help by writting a letter
to the company (with support of various other agency heads), copying the
CEO ... with references to what we already had running was at least five
years ahead of all RFP responses. That just made the internal politics
worse. As an aside, some of the same executives involved in blocking
being able to bid on NSFNET ... also were later involved in transferring
cluster scaleup ... mentioned in this recent comp.arch post:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#50 The real reason IBM didn't want to dump more money into Blue Waters

past posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#63 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#65 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#67 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#74 Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-28 19:49 -0700
  Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2011-08-28 23:32 -0400
  Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2011-08-28 23:49 -0400
    Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 08:59 -0700
      Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked EricP <ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> - 2011-08-29 12:40 -0400
        Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 12:00 -0700
        Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 12:00 -0700
          Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2011-08-29 21:31 -0400
          Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-29 22:12 -0400
            Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-30 09:38 -0400
            Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-30 10:51 -0400
          Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-30 13:53 +0200
            Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-30 06:59 -0700
              Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-30 10:23 -0400
                Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 2011-08-31 08:04 -0500
                Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-31 10:26 -0400
                Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-31 18:58 +0100
              Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked nmm1@cam.ac.uk - 2011-08-30 14:58 +0100
              Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> - 2011-08-31 10:25 +0200
                Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-31 10:01 -0400
                Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2011-08-31 12:15 -0400
    Re: Somewhat off-topic: comp-arch.net cloned, possibly hacked "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <andy@SPAM.comp-arch.net> - 2011-08-29 08:59 -0700

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