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baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit?

Started byIvan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>
First post2012-12-07 21:17 +0700
Last post2012-12-14 21:26 -0800
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  baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 21:17 +0700
    Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-07 10:28 -0500
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-07 23:31 +0700
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-07 12:42 -0500
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2012-12-07 13:35 -0800
            Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-07 20:07 -0500
            Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-07 23:43 -0800
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2012-12-07 13:07 -0600
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2012-12-07 12:09 -0800
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 03:47 +0700
            Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? MK <mk@nospam.co.uk> - 2012-12-08 09:44 +0000
              8-bit vs. 32-bit MCU's Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-08 18:31 +0700
                Re: 8-bit vs. 32-bit MCU's MK <mk@nospam.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 14:13 +0000
                  Re: 8-bit vs. 32-bit MCU's Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 22:52 +0700
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2012-12-08 15:01 +0200
    Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Dombo <dombo@disposable.invalid> - 2012-12-08 15:18 +0100
    Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] Glenn <glenn2233@gmail.com> - 2012-12-09 10:47 +0100
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 10:22 +0000
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] "Bruce Varley" <bv@NoSpam.com> - 2012-12-09 19:07 +0800
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 13:27 +0000
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232   ? ] Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2012-12-09 16:19 +0100
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] "TTman" <pcw1.cad@ntlworld.com> - 2012-12-09 15:38 +0000
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] amdyer@gmail.com - 2012-12-09 07:45 -0800
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] upsidedown@downunder.com - 2012-12-09 17:45 +0200
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 21:30 +0000
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> - 2012-12-09 09:02 -0800
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] Lanarcam <lanarcam1@yahoo.fr> - 2012-12-09 18:13 +0100
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] upsidedown@downunder.com - 2012-12-09 19:44 +0200
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2012-12-09 21:32 +0000
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-10 00:35 -0600
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? [ User friendly RS-232/EIA-232 ? ] josephkk <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-12-12 20:30 -0800
    Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? "Meindert Sprang" <ms@NOJUNKcustomORSPAMware.nl> - 2012-12-10 13:38 +0100
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-10 20:19 +0700
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? "Meindert Sprang" <ms@NOJUNKcustomORSPAMware.nl> - 2012-12-10 16:24 +0100
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2012-12-10 16:49 +0100
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-12 08:50 -0500
    Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? j.m.granville@gmail.com - 2012-12-11 21:22 -0800
      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-12 00:29 -0600
        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-11 23:43 -0800
          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-12 02:38 -0600
            Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-12 07:46 -0800
              Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? linnix <me@linnix.info-for.us> - 2012-12-12 10:50 -0800
                Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-12 12:42 -0800
                  Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-12 12:56 -0800
                  Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? upsidedown@downunder.com - 2012-12-12 23:22 +0200
                    Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-12 15:39 -0600
                      Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-12 15:13 -0800
                        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-12 15:28 -0800
                        Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-12 18:41 -0600
                          Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-12 17:12 -0800
                Re: baud rate autodetection on AVR 8-bit? Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-12 12:43 -0800
                  Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Frnak McKenney <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> - 2012-12-13 10:25 -0600
                    Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-12-13 12:34 -0600
                      Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) upsidedown@downunder.com - 2012-12-14 10:33 +0200
                        Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-14 07:43 -0800
                    Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-13 16:47 -0800
                      Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-13 18:22 -0800
                        Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-13 18:27 -0800
                        Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-13 23:20 -0800
                          Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2012-12-14 17:50 +0000
                            Re: Communications under pressure (was Re: baud rate...) Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-14 14:28 -0800
            serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 23:21 +0700
              Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2012-12-14 09:18 -0800
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-14 11:19 -0800
                  Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-16 21:00 +0700
                    Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-16 13:46 -0800
                      USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-17 00:53 +0000
                        Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-16 17:46 -0800
                          Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-17 13:27 +0000
                            Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2012-12-17 10:32 -0500
                              Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs me@linnix.info-for.us - 2012-12-17 11:13 -0800
                            Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-17 12:03 -0800
                              Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-17 12:17 -0800
                                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Christopher Head <chead@is.invalid> - 2012-12-17 23:36 -0800
                                  Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-17 23:54 -0800
                                    Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-18 13:06 +0000
                                    Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs j.m.granville@gmail.com - 2012-12-18 14:04 -0800
                                      Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-18 14:13 -0800
                                        Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Christopher Head <chead@is.invalid> - 2012-12-19 02:37 -0800
                                          Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-19 12:59 +0000
                                            Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rocky <RobertGush@gmail.com> - 2012-12-19 10:19 -0800
                                            Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 10:43 -0800
                                          Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 10:39 -0800
                                            Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 10:44 -0800
                                              Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Christopher Head <chead@is.invalid> - 2012-12-19 18:42 -0800
                                                Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-19 21:05 -0800
                                                  Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-20 14:13 +0000
                                                    Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-20 11:58 -0800
                                    Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2012-12-24 00:41 +0000
                                      Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2012-12-24 15:45 +0000
                                        Re: Writing a USB device stack, was: Re: USB CDC ACM, was: Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-24 11:40 -0800
                      Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Frnak McKenney <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> - 2012-12-20 10:00 -0600
                        Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-20 11:54 -0800
                          Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2012-12-20 12:01 -0800
                            Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Jon Kirwan <jonk@infinitefactors.org> - 2012-12-20 12:27 -0800
              Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-14 17:53 +0000
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 01:26 +0700
                  Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-14 19:30 +0000
                    Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-15 11:25 +0700
                      Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2012-12-17 00:29 +0000
                        Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs me@linnix.info-for.us - 2012-12-17 11:05 -0800
                  Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-12-14 14:34 -0500
                  Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2012-12-14 23:25 +0000
                    finer pitches Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> - 2012-12-16 20:48 +0700
                Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs Mark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net> - 2012-12-14 21:26 -0800

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#10844 — Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs

Fromme@linnix.info-for.us
Date2012-12-17 11:05 -0800
SubjectRe: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs
Message-ID<4204d06a-0c86-4da0-aae6-d16f1502094f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#10832
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:29:21 PM UTC-8, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2012-12-14, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>>> Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
> 
> >
> 
> > > The AT90USB162-16AU comes in a TQFP 0.8mm pitch package according to
> 
> > > Atmel's summary PDF; the Farnell UK price seems reasonable at qty 10,
> 
> >
> 
> > 	As it seems, ATmega8U2/TQFP is available at the same price.  Any
> 
> > 	specific reason to prefer one over the other?
> 

Yes, i prefer to buy the newer Atmega8U2, but still have to use the old At90usb162 stocks.  Unless the older chips are much cheaper.

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#10814 — Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs

FromRich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten>
Date2012-12-14 14:34 -0500
SubjectRe: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs
Message-ID<hevmc89q7lsrgmh0nu7f7pd6cuv2juj9q4@4ax.com>
In reply to#10810
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:26:44 +0700, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>
wrote:

>	My guess is that anything with 0.8 mm or larger spacing will be
>	just fine.  0.5 mm pitch feels a bit too fine to tackle for an
>	amateur, but I'm yet to try it myself.

0.5 mm pitch is actually pretty easy. Swipe and wipe then inspect and
(if necessary) wick. Use lots of flux. For removal, if you don't have
access to hot air then try ChipQuik.

-- 
Rich Webb     Norfolk, VA

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#10816 — Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs

FromPaul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk>
Date2012-12-14 23:25 +0000
SubjectRe: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs
Message-ID<MPG.2b35c5bdd5ca0e91989745@172.16.0.1>
In reply to#10810
In article <86vcc4o5gb.fsf@gray.siamics.net>, oneingray@gmail.com 
says...
> 
> >>>>> Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
> >>>>> On 2012-12-14, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>  > Your previous postings imply that you are doing hobbyist type work
>  > and you don't say what packaging you need the device in so as much as
>  > it pains me :-), I am going to point you to the PIC18F range if you
>  > want it in PDIP.
> 
> 	My guess is that anything with 0.8 mm or larger spacing will be
> 	just fine.  0.5 mm pitch feels a bit too fine to tackle for an
> 	amateur, but I'm yet to try it myself.

Try getting a Schmart Board then to mount it very easily.

Look here http://www.schmartboard.com/
 


-- 
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<http://www.pcserviceselectronics.co.uk/>    PC Services
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#10829 — finer pitches

FromIvan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com>
Date2012-12-16 20:48 +0700
Subjectfiner pitches
Message-ID<86ip82nm5o.fsf_-_@gray.siamics.net>
In reply to#10816
>>>>> Paul  <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> In article <86vcc4o5gb.fsf@gray.siamics.net>, oneingray@gmail.com says...
>>>>> Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:

[...]

 >>> Your previous postings imply that you are doing hobbyist type work
 >>> and you don't say what packaging you need the device in so as much
 >>> as it pains me :-), I am going to point you to the PIC18F range if
 >>> you want it in PDIP.

 >> My guess is that anything with 0.8 mm or larger spacing will be just
 >> fine.  0.5 mm pitch feels a bit too fine to tackle for an amateur,
 >> but I'm yet to try it myself.

 > Try getting a Schmart Board then to mount it very easily.

 > Look here http://www.schmartboard.com/

	Indeed, I've ordered some LQFP 48 to DIP break-out boards from
	http://dipmicro.com/ (I guess I'd need to wait for quite some
	time for delivery, since they're on the other side of the Earth,
	literally), not to mention that I have a couple of home-made SO
	prototyping boards, each with a TQFP 32 landing space (the
	design that could certainly be improved.)

	Yet, as I've said before, my intent is to eventually publish my
	designs for the others to use (and improve), and I'm still in
	doubt that mounting a 0.5 mm pitch IC would be an easy thing for
	a J. Random Amateur.

	But well, perhaps I'm wrong on that.

-- 
FSF associate member #7257

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#10821 — Re: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs

FromMark Borgerson <mborgerson@comcast.net>
Date2012-12-14 21:26 -0800
SubjectRe: serial host-to-device communication in amateur designs
Message-ID<MPG.2b354a635fd08e89899b7@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#10809
In article <kafp1t$79j$1@dont-email.me>, 
clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP says...
> 
> On 2012-12-14, Ivan Shmakov <oneingray@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > And frankly the use of RS-232/async ports should not be a first
> > > choice these days.
> >
> > 	Given the intended application, I tend to agree -- the use of
> > 	USB would probably simplify the things there a lot.
> >
> > 	Unfortunately, I'm yet to find a really cheap MCU (8-, 32-, or
> > 	perhaps even 16-bit) with an on-chip USB.  (V-USB doesn't seem
> > 	to fit well, for its CDC-ACM capability is necessarily a hack.)
> > 	The best I've found so far are some STM32's for under $4.  I'd
> > 	like to see if there could be anything else at half that price.
> >
> 
> I am assuming you want USB device only. If you want USB host as well,
> try looking at the PIC32MX range to see if it's something that would
> match your requirements.
> 
> Your previous postings imply that you are doing hobbyist type work and
> you don't say what packaging you need the device in so as much as it
> pains me :-), I am going to point you to the PIC18F range if you want
> it in PDIP.
> 
> Start by looking at the PIC18F14K50. It's quite a limited device so
> you may need to look at the other options in the PIC18F range to see
> which of them also support USB device.
> 
> > 	(Though USB identifiers may become an issue.  They provide one
> > 	allowing for relatively unrestricted use with V-USB, but I don't
> > 	know what's the current practice for the MCU's with hardware USB
> > 	ports.)
> >
> 
> Since I only use them for my own projects, I just make them up. Since
> no one else uses my embedded code, I also don't know what the current
> practice is short of having to pay for formally assigned identifiers.
> 
> In the past I have heard of some manufacturers allowing you to use
> identifiers within a subset of the range assigned to the manufacturer,
> but I don't know what the current policy is.

I think FTDI still does that for their interface chips.  I once used
IDs from a subset that they assigned to me.   Now, I just use their
default IDs.  That gets a standard USB serial driver loaded under
Windows and they have a config bit that will cause their direct
driver to be loaded so that you can use their API for direct
comms with their chips.   Things got more complex under Win7x64
when it started requiring signed drivers.  Just changing IDs in
the configuration text files caused the driver to be rejected as 
unsigned.

I've used the FT245RL  FIFO-to-USB chip in a number of designs.
If you have about 12 free bits---ideally with 8 of them in
a single port---you can add USB without having to worry about
any of the USB details.  With an MSP430 at 8MHZ and a pretty
simple Windows host program I can transfer data at about
200KBytes/second.


If you need higher speed transfers, you can move up to the
UM-232H.   With that module connected to an STM32F2XX with a
hardware SDIO port, I can upload data from the SD card
at 4-6MB/second.

Mark Borgerson

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