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| From | Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.arch.embedded |
| Subject | Re: Makefile or not? |
| Date | 2018-12-05 22:34 +0000 |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
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On 2018-12-05, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> Never, ever, use any software written or provided by the silicon
>> vendor. Everytime I've failed to obey that rule, I've regretted it.
>
> How about for FPGAs? ;)
I spent some time working with a NIOS2 core on an Altera
Cyclone-something-or-other. In the beginning, somebody got conned
into using the Altera tools for doing software development. As
expected, they were horrendous. It was Eclipse with a bunch of
plugins.
IIRC, there were Eclipse plugins that called scripts written in bash
that called Perl scripts that called Java apps that generated TCL that
got fed to other scripts that generated header files... and on and on
and on. The tools required more RAM that most of our development
machines had. And it appeared to re-generate everything from scratch
everytime you wanted to build anything.
After fighting what that for a few months we threw it all out and
started from scratch with the gnu toolchain, makefiles, and our own
header files we wrote with info gleaned from the above mess.
There was also some sort of gdb-server executable that we extracted
from deep within the bowels of of the Altera IDE. We had to write
some sort of wrapper for that to get it to run stand-alone and talk to
the USB byte-blaster thingy.
Once we ditched the massive pile of Altera's garbage IDE, things went
much smoother. [Until, as the project neared completion, it became
obvious that the performance of the NIOS2 was nowhere near what was
promised, and the whole thing was abandoned.]
The hardware guys were, of course, chained to the Altera VHDL IDE
software for the duration -- presumably for heinous sins committed in
a previous life.
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! Kids, don't gross me
at off ... "Adventures with
gmail.com MENTAL HYGIENE" can be
carried too FAR!
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Re: Makefile or not? Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2018-12-04 21:19 -0500
Re: Makefile or not? queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2018-12-07 13:45 +0000
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