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Re: Automotive Software and the Law

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From Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de>
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Subject Re: Automotive Software and the Law
Date Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:10:57 +0100
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Am 16.03.2017 um 16:16 schrieb Tim Wescott:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:09:29 +0100, Stefan Reuther wrote:
>>> Actually by "law" I mean "law".  Are there regulations in any country
>>> or other polity that require companies manufacturing or selling
>>> automobiles to adhere to the standard before they can legally sell
>>> their wares?  Is there anywhere in the world where not following ISO
>>> 26262 will have a cop or a government lawyer knocking on your door?
>>
>> Would it be law that works that way, or would it be a certification
>> agency?
>>
>> As I understand, technology has to fulfill certain systems requirements
>> (for a car, things like "can steer", "can brake", "engine warning
>> light"), and there's recognized state-of-the-art how you do that. The
>> law doesn't say your steering column has to work mechanically, but
>> everyone agrees that's a good way to do it. And if you do it
>> differently, you have to prove to achieve equivalent safety.
> 
> In order for a certification agency to have the authority to do such, 
> there has to be a law that gives it that power.  So, law.

My point is that the law doesn't say "the brake controller has to be
written in programming language X using coding standard Y and
development process Z", it just has to be "state-of-the-art". That
state-of-the-art is defined by ISO standards and industry rules. If you
now want to deviate from that standard, you got to prove equivalent
safety. Or get an industry consortium behind you that makes this the new
standard. But you don't need to, nor can you, change the law to allow a
Visual Basic brake controller.


  Stefan

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Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-14 18:27 -0500
  Re: Automotive Software and the Law Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2017-03-14 20:18 -0400
  Re: Automotive Software and the Law HT-Lab <hans64@htminuslab.com> - 2017-03-15 11:18 +0000
    Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-15 11:36 -0500
      Re: Automotive Software and the Law HT-Lab <hans64@htminuslab.com> - 2017-03-15 17:12 +0000
        Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-15 12:32 -0500
          Re: Automotive Software and the Law John Speth <johnspeth@yahoo.com> - 2017-03-15 11:48 -0700
            Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-15 17:31 -0500
              Re: Automotive Software and the Law Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2017-03-15 19:23 -0400
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-03-15 18:41 -0500
            Re: Automotive Software and the Law Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-17 05:54 -0500
              Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 11:42 +0000
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-17 07:08 -0500
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 13:50 +0000
              Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-17 10:58 -0500
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 16:18 +0000
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-17 19:00 -0500
          Re: Automotive Software and the Law Jacob Sparre Andersen <jacob@jacob-sparre.dk> - 2017-03-15 22:01 +0100
          Re: Automotive Software and the Law Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2017-03-16 11:09 +0100
            Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-16 10:16 -0500
              Re: Automotive Software and the Law Stefan Reuther <stefan.news@arcor.de> - 2017-03-17 12:10 +0100
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-17 07:12 -0500
                Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-17 11:00 -0500
              Re: Automotive Software and the Law Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2017-03-17 14:49 +0000
  Re: Automotive Software and the Law Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2017-03-17 05:52 -0500
    Re: Automotive Software and the Law Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> - 2017-03-17 11:03 -0500

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