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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.cars, aus.science |
| Subject | Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire |
| Date | 2023-03-08 17:47 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <k6qpbfFf83U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <3e8c286b04cef3ec361ccd20b79600ff@dizum.com> <k6qatmFstbeU1@mid.individual.net> <tu92hi$p0fa$1@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 8/3/2023 3:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/03/2023 1:40 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/03/2023 1:02 pm, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> I bet Elon has a diesel pickup with long-range tanks to
>>> escape the apocalyse.
>>>
>>
>> **I've been thinking about that. Let's say the zombie apocalypse
>> happens. No more refined oil. Petrol lasts about 1 year in a sealed
>> container.
>
> Bit more than that. I've had petrol that's been stored for over 2 years
> that's been fine. It lasts even longer if you use a fuel stabiliser.
Petrol storage is temperature dependent. If the tin shed you store it in
regularly gets up to 30C or more, expect your fuel to go off in as
little as three months. Worse if it's been adulterated with *ethanol*.
Then you will *experience* the joys of phase separation.
>
> I am uncertain, but I guess Diesel will last a bit longer.
Of course you are, and you'd be wrong. Diesel will go off in 12 months
on average, same as petrol. Because diesel is a less volatile fuel, it
won't go off because of evaporation of the volatile components like
petrol does. Instead it tends to grow bacteria.
https://www.agro.crs/fuel/detail/prevent-microbial-growth-in-fuel-tanks
>
> Diesel storage is about the same as petrol.
In a properly sealed container - about 12 months - for both. But, hang
about, didn't you say in your ignorance that diesel will last a bit
longer? Ah, the joys of watching you contradict yourself.
>
>> Maybe 2 years. A battery pack will last a lot longer. Prolly 20+
>> years. A survivalist will be able to charge his Tesle via his Solar PV
>> array, whilst the fossil fueled vehicles become useless.
>
> Lol :)
>
> You live in a strange fantasy world. You can get far enough away from a
> disaster on a jerry can of fuel regardless of whatever you happen to
> drive, and refilling it to keep it fresh once a year isn't a big deal.
> Use the old fuel in your mower and refill the container with fresh fuel
> for your escape.
>
> Assuming, of course, this kind of fantasy situation ever arises which is
> highly unlikely :)
>
Been looking at what's been going on around the world lately? Obviously
not. Remember where pretty much most of our fuel comes from - hint, not
more than 22% from local sources. The other 78% comes from other places
in the world. Any disruption to *crude oil shipping* and your fantasy
situation has an extremely high likelihood of occurring.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2023-03-08 03:02 +0100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-08 13:40 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-08 15:22 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2023-03-08 16:00 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-08 17:47 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:50 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 08:11 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:14 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 07:21 +1000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 08:41 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:37 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:43 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:17 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:20 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:48 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 23:30 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:56 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:18 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:40 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:30 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:02 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 17:01 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:34 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 09:33 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:47 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:01 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 14:07 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 15:59 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-03-09 16:27 +1000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 20:19 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 22:59 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 12:42 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-10 13:53 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-10 14:32 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 10:48 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire alvey <Patty.O.Furniture@Coast.org> - 2023-03-08 23:58 +0000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:46 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-08 16:08 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-03-08 19:40 +1000
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 09:02 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:08 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 11:23 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-03-09 12:15 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2023-03-09 13:58 +1100
Re: a Tesla is a death-trap in a California wildfire Noddy <me@home.com> - 2023-03-09 12:18 +1100
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