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  anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2026-09-25 12:09 +0200
    Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 07:41 +1000
      Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 08:14 +1000
        Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 09:25 +1000
          Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 10:22 +1000
            Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 11:04 +1000
              Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 11:33 +1000
                Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 11:59 +1000
                  Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 12:34 +1000
                  Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 12:46 +1000
                    Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 15:04 +1000
                      Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 16:16 +1000
                        Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 16:36 +1000
                          Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 17:33 +1000
                            Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 22:11 +1000
                              Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-27 03:10 +1000
      Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-09-26 08:37 +1000
        Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 15:08 +1000
          Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-26 16:21 +1000
        Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> - 2026-09-26 17:25 +0800
          Re: anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-09-28 06:55 +1000

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#20079 — anyone working 40 hr/week should be able to afford housing

Gina want to smash superannuation, because the combined
assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..

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#20082

On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 12:09:59 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

>Gina want to smash superannuation, because the combined
>assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..
>
Anthony Albanese 
(then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:

“Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”

Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)

What Australia has now
If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
low why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
afford children?

Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
enough income earners that we are having now!
Not seeing these mass-immigrants buying houses now but needing
accommodation.
Presently..
With private sector jobs shrinking wages are through cost of living
inflation of real dollar value dropping, many taking multiple jobs to
raise income (babies are now off agenda)

To live in Sydney now one needs a realistic annual income od
AU$200,000 to AU$400,000 to make ends meet and buy a home
The "Bank of Mum and Dad" is rapidly running out of liquidity. Rather
than young buyers successfully purchasing homes independently because
prices are falling, they are increasingly locked out entirely by high
interest rates, leading many to stay in the family home far longer

In short, importing people who face the same high housing and living
costs does not magically solve the fertility or aging problems, and it
demonstrably adds to accommodation demand while supply remains
constrained.

The structural issues—housing supply responsiveness, planning,
construction productivity, childcare costs, and real wage
growth—matter at least as much as the headline migration number.

Mad Magazine years ago 50's? had a cartoon showing a modern apartment,
where one sits on a toilet arms lenght from a fridge TV in front
Seems now true humans are now cage hens

That exact satirical prediction from MAD Magazine has literally become
a reality in the Sydney rental market. The specific concept of an
apartment where the toilet, fridge, and main living space are all
compressed within arm's reach is no longer just a cartoon
exaggeration; it is a regular feature of modern inner-city property
listings.
The "cage hen" reality of modern micro-living is heavily
documented by several notorious real-world

So not bring able to buy a home or have children
They give more money to spend on cars/etc.

Economists call this phenomenon "doom spending" or "lifestyle
resignation," and it is driving a noticeable shift in consumer habits
across Australia
The Surry Hills 'Room with a Poo'
<https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/06/toilet-kitchen-sydney-studio-apartment-rent-surry-hills-australia>
https://tinyurl.com/azt28vy3
Renters were expected to pay over $500 a week to essentially sleep,
cook, and use the bathroom in the exact same footprint.

The 'Micro-Studio' Explosion: In dense hubs like Potts Point and
Newtown, developers regularly market 18-to-24-square-metre spaces as
"premium minimalist living."
In reality, these layouts force the resident to stand at the stove
while practically touching their bed,
treating humans exactly like "cage hens"

A country should not measure success by how many people it can fit
into ever-smaller apartments. It should ask whether ordinary workers
can afford a decent home, raise children and participate in a secure
community.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20083

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote

>> Gina want to smash superannuation,

Not going to happen

>> because the combined
>> assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>> buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..

They don't buy the stuff she stupidly
buys like the useless 10 network

> Anthony Albanese
> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:

> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”

You don't even need that now

> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)

More bullshit as the census will prove

> What Australia has now
> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
> low

Incomes have not fallen

> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
> afford children?

There are no mass immigrants

The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family

> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
> enough income earners that we are having now!

We don't have that problem now

<reams of repeated lies and shit flushed where it belongs>

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#20086

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 08:14:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote
>
>>> Gina want to smash superannuation,
>
>Not going to happen
>
>>> because the combined
>>> assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>>> buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..
>
>They don't buy the stuff she stupidly
>buys like the useless 10 network
>
>> Anthony Albanese
>> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
>> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:
>
>> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
>> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”
>
>You don't even need that now
>
>> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)
>
>More bullshit as the census will prove
>
>> What Australia has now
>> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
>> low
>
>Incomes have not fallen
>
>> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
>> afford children?
>
>There are no mass immigrants
>
>The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family
>
>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
>> enough income earners that we are having now!
>
>We don't have that problem now
>
><reams of repeated lies and shit flushed where it belongs>
>
Might pay to call your family in Sydney they maybe OK?
But a "How's it going" "just thought I'd ask" call is warranted IMO,
be nice when you do.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20088

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote

>>>> Gina want to smash superannuation,

>> Not going to happen

>>>> because the combined
>>>> assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>>>> buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..

>> They don't buy the stuff she stupidly
>> buys like the useless 10 network

>>> Anthony Albanese
>>> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
>>> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:

>>> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
>>> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”

>> You don't even need that now

>>> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)

>> More bullshit as the census will prove

>>> What Australia has now
>>> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
>>> low

>> Incomes have not fallen

>>> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
>>> afford children?

>> There are no mass immigrants

>> The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family

>>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
>>> enough income earners that we are having now!

>> We don't have that problem now

>> <reams of repeated lies and shit flushed where it belongs>

> Might pay to call your family in Sydney they maybe OK?

I don't have any family in Sydney

I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago

> But a "How's it going" "just thought I'd ask" call is warranted IMO,

No need, I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago

> be nice when you do.

Get fucked

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#20089

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 10:22:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Gina want to smash superannuation,
>
>>> Not going to happen
>
>>>>> because the combined
>>>>> assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>>>>> buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..
>
>>> They don't buy the stuff she stupidly
>>> buys like the useless 10 network
>
>>>> Anthony Albanese
>>>> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
>>>> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:
>
>>>> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
>>>> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”
>
>>> You don't even need that now
>
>>>> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)
>
>>> More bullshit as the census will prove
>
>>>> What Australia has now
>>>> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
>>>> low
>
>>> Incomes have not fallen
>
>>>> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
>>>> afford children?
>
>>> There are no mass immigrants
>
>>> The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family
>
>>>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
>>>> enough income earners that we are having now!
>
>>> We don't have that problem now
>
>>> <reams of repeated lies and shit flushed where it belongs>
>
>> Might pay to call your family in Sydney they maybe OK?
>
>I don't have any family in Sydney
>
>I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago
>
>> But a "How's it going" "just thought I'd ask" call is warranted IMO,
>
>No need, I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago
>
>> be nice when you do.
>
>Get fucked
>
Glad to hear they are ok, Sydney has changed since you rocket shipped
them out of Griffith to Sydney.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-24/hilda-survey-2026/107185914

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#20090

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 11:04:40 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 10:22:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Gina want to smash superannuation,
>>
>>>> Not going to happen
>>
>>>>>> because the combined
>>>>>> assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>>>>>> buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..
>>
>>>> They don't buy the stuff she stupidly
>>>> buys like the useless 10 network
>>
>>>>> Anthony Albanese
>>>>> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
>>>>> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:
>>
>>>>> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
>>>>> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”
>>
>>>> You don't even need that now
>>
>>>>> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)
>>
>>>> More bullshit as the census will prove
>>
>>>>> What Australia has now
>>>>> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
>>>>> low
>>
>>>> Incomes have not fallen
>>
>>>>> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
>>>>> afford children?
>>
>>>> There are no mass immigrants
>>
>>>> The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family
>>
>>>>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
>>>>> enough income earners that we are having now!
>>
>>>> We don't have that problem now
>>
>>>> <reams of repeated lies and shit flushed where it belongs>
>>
>>> Might pay to call your family in Sydney they maybe OK?
>>
>> I don't have any family in Sydney
>>
>> I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago
>>
>>> But a "How's it going" "just thought I'd ask" call is warranted IMO,
>>
>> No need, I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago
>>
>>> be nice when you do.
>>
>> Get fucked
>>
> Glad to hear they are ok, Sydney has changed since you rocket shipped
> them out of Griffith to Sydney.
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-24/hilda-survey-2026/107185914

Been talking to them almost every week since then
and actually bought their investment house in
griffith at auction for them with them on the phone
and them paying for it

And they don't earn anything even remotely like
your stupid ignorant $400K income, live very well
and can easily afford their annual trip back to china
over xmas and have amost teenager and a dog and
a cat and have a oropery they live in in sydney which
they bought something like 15 years ago now

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#20091

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 11:33:29 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 11:04:40 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 10:22:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> Gina want to smash superannuation,
>>>
>>>>> Not going to happen
>>>
>>>>>>> because the combined
>>>>>>> assets of the super companies is diluting her power to
>>>>>>> buy controlling interest in whatever she wants..
>>>
>>>>> They don't buy the stuff she stupidly
>>>>> buys like the useless 10 network
>>>
>>>>>> Anthony Albanese
>>>>>> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
>>>>>> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
>>>>>> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”
>>>
>>>>> You don't even need that now
>>>
>>>>>> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)
>>>
>>>>> More bullshit as the census will prove
>>>
>>>>>> What Australia has now
>>>>>> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
>>>>>> low
>>>
>>>>> Incomes have not fallen
>>>
>>>>>> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
>>>>>> afford children?
>>>
>>>>> There are no mass immigrants
>>>
>>>>> The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family
>>>
>>>>>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
>>>>>> enough income earners that we are having now!
>>>
>>>>> We don't have that problem now
>>>
>>>>> <reams of repeated lies and shit flushed where it belongs>
>>>
>>>> Might pay to call your family in Sydney they maybe OK?
>>>
>>> I don't have any family in Sydney
>>>
>>> I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago
>>>
>>>> But a "How's it going" "just thought I'd ask" call is warranted IMO,
>>>
>>> No need, I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago
>>>
>>>> be nice when you do.
>>>
>>> Get fucked
>>>
>> Glad to hear they are ok, Sydney has changed since you rocket shipped
>> them out of Griffith to Sydney.
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-24/hilda-survey-2026/107185914
>
>Been talking to them almost every week since then
>and actually bought their investment house in
>griffith at auction for them with them on the phone
>and them paying for it
>
>And they don't earn anything even remotely like
>your stupid ignorant $400K income, live very well
>and can easily afford their annual trip back to china
>over xmas and have amost teenager and a dog and
>a cat and have a oropery they live in in sydney which
>they bought something like 15 years ago now
>
2015 seemed to start a boom inproperties really accereating in growth,
which was not surprisyng as private sector declined housing sector was
growing.

Griffith not yet inpacted not enofe sales and not a housing investment
area.
People buy there to work and live with few as investment properties.

Luxury homes in Sydney are not bought as investment homes, they to are
bought by wealthy for living in.
The Rental market homes, were investment properties. 
Not now under latest CGT rules

 $400K income is needed as you move closer to Sydney where homes are
more expensive.

$200K income is more innerwest/inner southwest where homes are less
expensive.

Just saw where media want AI to monitor Federal Parliament from press
gallery.
The Ultimate Fact-Checker: 
Imagine an AI listening to a parliamentary debate or a closed
committee meeting. 
Instead of writing notes, it instantly pops up text on a screen
showing: 
"This statement contradicts the funding report signed on Tuesday," or
"This policy clause matches a draft provided by a corporate lobbyist
last month."
The Resistance:  
Many politicians fight against total transparency because keeping
things vague is how backroom compromises are made.
Using AI to automate bureaucratic paperwork and clear out
administrative waste is a great first step. 
Using AI as a tool to force real-time honesty on the people we elect
would be the ultimate way to "keep the bastards honest.
"AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses FacebookArtificial
intelligence is being used in more than half of Australian GP ...
29 July 2026 — Artificial intelligence is being used in more than half
of Australian GP clinics to transcribe medical consultations and
generate ...AhpraAustralian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency -
Meeting your professional obligations when using Artificial
Intelligence in healthcareSome key principles for health practitioners
to consider when using AI include: * **Accountability** Practitioners
remain responsi...The GuardianDoctors’ soaring use of AI scribes
prompts Australian government ...
4 July 2026 — AI scribe tools record, transcribe and summarise
conversations between doctors and patients for medical notes, and have
boomed in ...
Show allLove it and no reason why media could see debates also perhaps
Canberras press gallery could start ball rolling?

The Canberra Press Gallery is the absolute perfect place to start a
ball rolling like this.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20092

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> Anthony Albanese
>>>>>>> (then Opposition Leader, now Australian Prime Minister).
>>>>>>> In a December 2021 tweet (@AlboMP), he wrote:

>>>>>>> “Australians who work-full time should be able to afford a house or
>>>>>>> cover the rent. We need to tackle housing affordability.”

>>>>>> You don't even need that now

>>>>>>> Less children now DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)

>>>>>> More bullshit as the census will prove

>>>>>>> What Australia has now

>>>>>>> If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
>>>>>>> low

>>>>>> Incomes have not fallen

>>>>>>> why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
>>>>>>> afford children?

>>>>>> There are no mass immigrants

>>>>>> The skilled migrants won't even be allowed to bring family

>>>>>>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
>>>>>>> enough income earners that we are having now!

>>>>>> We don't have that problem now

>>>>> Might pay to call your family in Sydney they maybe OK?

>>>> I don't have any family in Sydney

>>>> I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago

>>>>> But a "How's it going" "just thought I'd ask" call is warranted IMO,

>>>> No need, I was talking to my mate in sydney just days ago

>>> Glad to hear they are ok, Sydney has changed since you rocket shipped
>>> them out of Griffith to Sydney.
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-09-24/hilda-survey-2026/107185914

>> Been talking to them almost every week since then
>> and actually bought their investment house in
>> griffith at auction for them with them on the phone
>> and them paying for it

And it has more than DOUBLED in value since then

>> And they don't earn anything even remotely like
>> your stupid ignorant $400K income, live very well
>> and can easily afford their annual trip back to china
>> over xmas and have amost teenager and a dog and
>> a cat and have a oropery they live in in sydney which
>> they bought something like 15 years ago now

> 2015 seemed to start a boom inproperties really accereating in growth,

Regional property value work completely
differently to state capital property values

> which was not surprisyng as private sector declined

Bullshit anything like that happened

> housing sector was   growing.

> Griffith not yet inpacted

And won't be, regional property value work completely
differently to state capital property values

> not enofe sales

Wrong, as always

> and not a housing investment   area.

Wrong, as always

> People buy there to work and live with few as investment properties.

Wrong, as always

You don't have a fucking clue about our property market

> Luxury homes in Sydney are not bought as investmenthomes, they to are    
> bought by wealthy for living in.

Just as true of all luxury houses, they are useless as investments

> The Rental market homes, were investment properties.

> Not now under latest CGT rules

Wrong, as always

The new rules actually benefit some property investors

> $400K income is needed as you move closer to Sydney where homes are
> more expensive.

They don't earn anything even remotely like
that and live much closer in than you do

> $200K income is more innerwest/inner southwest where homes are less
> expensive.

They don't earn that either

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#20093

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Just saw where media want AI to monitor Federal Parliament from press
> gallery.

Doesn't matter what they say, that's just stupid click bait

> The Ultimate Fact-Checker:
> Imagine an AI listening to a parliamentary debate

You aren't even allowed to record it

> or a closed   committee meeting.

And that in spades

> Instead of writing notes, it instantly pops up text on a screen
> showing:
> "This statement contradicts the funding report signed on Tuesday," or
> "This policy clause matches a draft provided by a corporate lobbyist
> last month."

No govt would ever be stupid enough to allow that

> The Resistance:
> Many politicians fight against total transparency because keeping
> things vague is how backroom compromises are made.
> Using AI to automate bureaucratic paperwork and clear out
> administrative waste is a great first step.

> Using AI as a tool to force real-time honesty on the people we elect
> would be the ultimate way to "keep the bastards honest.

Ain't gunna happen

> "AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses FacebookArtificial
> intelligence is being used in more than half of Australian GP ...

Bullshit

What they are actually doing is taking
notes, not fact checking or diagnosing

> 29 July 2026 — Artificial intelligence is being used in more than half
> of Australian GP clinics to transcribe medical consultations

That's all they are doing

> and   generate ...AhpraAustralian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency -
> Meeting your professional obligations when using Artificial
> Intelligence in healthcareSome key principles for health practitioners
> to consider when using AI include: * **Accountability** Practitioners
> remain responsi...The GuardianDoctors’ soaring use of AI scribes
> prompts Australian government ...

Scribes ain't fact checking or diagnosing or
prescribing or even consulting with the patient

> 4 July 2026 — AI scribe tools record, transcribe and summarise
> conversations between doctors and patients for medical notes,

And that's aii they are doing

> and have   boomed in ...

> Show allLove it and no reason why media could see debates also perhaps
> Canberras press gallery could start ball rolling?

No govt would allow it

> The Canberra Press Gallery is the absolute perfect place to start a
> ball rolling like this.

No govt would allow it

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#20095

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 12:46:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Just saw where media want AI to monitor Federal Parliament from press
>> gallery.
>
>Doesn't matter what they say, that's just stupid click bait
>
>> The Ultimate Fact-Checker:
>> Imagine an AI listening to a parliamentary debate
>
>You aren't even allowed to record it
>
Don't need to "Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on
Radio. Doubt if they will stop that
>
>> or a closed   committee meeting.
>
>And that in spades
>
Nothing is recorded although could be scribed I suppose
However AI can intstanty state if true or a lie from all data
available, or when Albanese opens his mouth.
>
>> Instead of writing notes, it instantly pops up text on a screen
>> showing:
>> "This statement contradicts the funding report signed on Tuesday," or
>> "This policy clause matches a draft provided by a corporate lobbyist
>> last month."
>
>No govt would ever be stupid enough to allow that
>
That's up to the media that go to the press gallery.
>
>> The Resistance:
>> Many politicians fight against total transparency because keeping
>> things vague is how backroom compromises are made.
>> Using AI to automate bureaucratic paperwork and clear out
>> administrative waste is a great first step.
>
>> Using AI as a tool to force real-time honesty on the people we elect
>> would be the ultimate way to "keep the bastards honest.
>
>Ain't gunna happen
>
Can't be stopped
"Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio. Doubt if
they will stop that, needs a vote on it.
>
>> "AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses FacebookArtificial
>> intelligence is being used in more than half of Australian GP ...
>
>Bullshit
>
I see a top Specialist in Australia he uses AI, makes consultation
easir for him and I get latest information near instantly
>
>What they are actually doing is taking
>notes, not fact checking or diagnosing
>
AI can point out fact from fiction as it is spoken, and that's on a
laptop or Mobile no vice needed
>
>> 29 July 2026 — Artificial intelligence is being used in more than half
>> of Australian GP clinics to transcribe medical consultations
>
>That's all they are doing
>
>> and   generate ...AhpraAustralian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency -
>> Meeting your professional obligations when using Artificial
>> Intelligence in healthcareSome key principles for health practitioners
>> to consider when using AI include: * **Accountability** Practitioners
>> remain responsi...The GuardianDoctors’ soaring use of AI scribes
>> prompts Australian government ...
>
>Scribes ain't fact checking or diagnosing or
>prescribing or even consulting with the patient
>
Points correctly in right direction with latest medications avaiable
Turn out most of mine were not needed.
>
>> 4 July 2026 — AI scribe tools record, transcribe and summarise
>> conversations between doctors and patients for medical notes,
>
>And that's aii they are doing
>
>> and have   boomed in ...
>
>> Show allLove it and no reason why media could see debates also perhaps
>> Canberras press gallery could start ball rolling?
>
>No govt would allow it
>
Might not like it
"Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio. Doubt if
they will stop that
>
>> The Canberra Press Gallery is the absolute perfect place to start a
>> ball rolling like this.
>
>No govt would allow it
Might not like it
"Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio. Doubt if
they will stop that
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20097

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Just saw where media want AI to monitor Federal Parliament from press
>>> gallery.

>> Doesn't matter what they say, that's just stupid click bait

>>> The Ultimate Fact-Checker:
>>> Imagine an AI listening to a parliamentary debate

>> You aren't even allowed to record it

> Don't need to "Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on
> Radio. Doubt if they will stop that

Corse they won't but that's not AI

>>> or a closed   committee meeting.

>> And that in spades

> Nothing is recorded although could be scribed I suppose

It already ends up in Hansard has always done

> However AI can intstanty state if true or a lie from all data
> available, or when Albanese opens his mouth.

Unlikely any particular AI would be stupid enough to
do that given that the federal govt can fuck them over

>>> Instead of writing notes, it instantly pops up text on a screen
>>> showing:
>>> "This statement contradicts the funding report signed on Tuesday," or
>>> "This policy clause matches a draft provided by a corporate lobbyist
>>> last month."

>> No govt would ever be stupid enough to allow that

> That's up to the media that go to the press gallery.

No it isn't given that they aren't allowed to record what
happens in parliament or closed committees in spades

>>> The Resistance:
>>> Many politicians fight against total transparency because keeping
>>> things vague is how backroom compromises are made.
>>> Using AI to automate bureaucratic paperwork and clear out
>>> administrative waste is a great first step.

>>> Using AI as a tool to force real-time honesty on the people we elect
>>> would be the ultimate way to "keep the bastards honest.

>> Ain't gunna happen

> Can't be stopped

Corse it can

> "Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio.

That can't be sent to AI by the press gallery
to get an instant responce by AI

And there is no way to tell AI to listen
to the radio broadcast either

> Doubt if   they will stop that, needs a vote on it.

No it doesn't the speaker can just tell the ABC
that they can't broadcast the sessions anymore

>>> "AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses Facebook Artificial
>>> intelligence is being used in more than half of Australian GP ...

>> Bullshit

> I see a top Specialist in Australia he uses AI, makes consultation
> easir for him and I get latest information near instantly

But that's JUST a record of the conversation, not
fact checking, diagnosis or even consultation by
AI with the patient

>> What they are actually doing is taking
>> notes, not fact checking or diagnosing

> AI can point out fact from fiction as it is spoken,

But no medical professional uses it that way

> and that's on a   laptop or Mobile no vice needed

>>> 29 July 2026 — Artificial intelligence is being used in more than half
>>> of Australian GP clinics to transcribe medical consultations

>> That's all they are doing

>>> and generate ...AhpraAustralian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency -
>>> Meeting your professional obligations when using Artificial
>>> Intelligence in healthcareSome key principles for health practitioners
>>> to consider when using AI include: * **Accountability** Practitioners
>>> remain responsi...The GuardianDoctors’ soaring use of AI scribes
>>> prompts Australian government ...

>> Scribes ain't fact checking or diagnosing or
>> prescribing or even consulting with the patient

> Points correctly in right direction with latest medications avaiable

Bullshit when medical professionals use it during the consultation

> Turn out most of mine were not needed.

>>> 4 July 2026 — AI scribe tools record, transcribe and summarise
>>> conversations between doctors and patients for medical notes,

>> And that's aii they are doing

>>> and have boomed in ...

>>> Show allLove it and no reason why media could see debates also perhaps
>>> Canberras press gallery could start ball rolling?

>> No govt would allow it

> Might not like it
> "Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio.

That can't be sent to AI by the press gallery
to get an instant responce by AI

And there is no way to tell AI to listen
to the radio broadcast either

> Doubt if   they will stop that

That can't be sent to AI by the press gallery
to get an instant responce by AI

And there is no way to tell AI to listen
to the radio broadcast either

>>> The Canberra Press Gallery is the absolute perfect place to start a
>>> ball rolling like this.

>> No govt would allow it
> Might not like it
> "Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio. Doubt if
> they will stop that

> Might not like it
> "Our ABC" has every federal parliament transmited on Radio.

That can't be sent to AI by the press gallery
to get an instant responce by AI

And there is no way to tell AI to listen
to the radio broadcast either

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#20099

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 16:16:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Nothing is recorded although could be scribed I suppose
>
>It already ends up in Hansard has always done
>
Good point AI can in microseconds evaluate that
Trouble is they should get AI to write it takes Canberra ages to
release it
>
>> However AI can intstanty state if true or a lie from all data
>> available, or when Albanese opens his mouth.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20100

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Nothing is recorded although could be scribed I suppose

>> It already ends up in Hansard has always done

> Good point AI can in microseconds evaluate that

No AI does anything like that in microseconds

> Trouble is they should get AI to write it takes Canberra ages to
> release it

>>> However AI can intstanty state if true or a lie from all data
>>> available, or when Albanese opens his mouth.

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#20102

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 17:33:08 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Nothing is recorded although could be scribed I suppose
>
>>> It already ends up in Hansard has always done
>
>> Good point AI can in microseconds evaluate that
>
>No AI does anything like that in microseconds
>
One way to find out is to ask it
https://auspol.ai/
The fastest way to know what Parliament said
Hundreds of transcript pages are published every sitting day.
Auspol.ai gives you two ways to cut straight to what matters: ask
questions with Hansard Chat, or get AI-generated topic briefings
delivered as a podcast.
>
>> Trouble is they should get AI to write it takes Canberra ages to
>> release it
>
My mistake takes 3 hours after sitting for Hansard to come out.
>
>>>> However AI can intstanty state if true or a lie from all data
>>>> available, or when Albanese opens his mouth.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20103

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Nothing is recorded although could be scribed I suppose

>>>> It already ends up in Hansard has always done

>>> Good point AI can in microseconds evaluate that

>> No AI does anything like that in microseconds

> One way to find out is to ask it
> https://auspol.ai/

That's just one ai

> The fastest way to know what Parliament said
> Hundreds of transcript pages are published every sitting day.
> Auspol.ai gives you two ways to cut straight to what matters: ask
> questions with Hansard Chat, or get AI-generated topic briefings
> delivered as a podcast.

Says nothing about microseconds

>>> Trouble is they should get AI to write it takes Canberra ages to
>>> release it

> My mistake takes 3 hours after sitting for Hansard to come out.

>>>>> However AI can intstanty state if true or a lie from all data
>>>>> available, or when Albanese opens his mouth.

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#20094

the bathroom in the exact same footprint.
>
>The 'Micro-Studio' Explosion: In dense hubs like Potts Point and
>Newtown, developers regularly market 18-to-24-square-metre spaces as
>"premium minimalist living."
>In reality, these layouts force the resident to stand at the stove
>while practically touching their bed,
>treating humans exactly like "cage hens"
>
>A country should not measure success by how many people it can fit
>into ever-smaller apartments. It should ask whether ordinary workers
>can afford a decent home, raise children and participate in a secure
>community.

The Asian situation shows what is done to house people.  Even here
there's a move to "micro bathrooms" and push-in modular kitchens.
An example of student accommodation.   The size can be reduced further
by placing the WC in the shower cubicle.
https://tinyurl.com/yxrkperr

The old 1/4 acre block is a non-productive asset, and the buildings
are wasting assets.   These no longer produce children to replace the
parents.   Yet a large block is achievable by placing a large deposit
before borrowing.  Thrift is the key!

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#20096

On Sat, 26 Sep 2026 08:37:01 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>the bathroom in the exact same footprint.
>>
>>The 'Micro-Studio' Explosion: In dense hubs like Potts Point and
>>Newtown, developers regularly market 18-to-24-square-metre spaces as
>>"premium minimalist living."
>>In reality, these layouts force the resident to stand at the stove
>>while practically touching their bed,
>>treating humans exactly like "cage hens"
>>
>>A country should not measure success by how many people it can fit
>>into ever-smaller apartments. It should ask whether ordinary workers
>>can afford a decent home, raise children and participate in a secure
>>community.
>
>The Asian situation shows what is done to house people.  Even here
>there's a move to "micro bathrooms" and push-in modular kitchens.
>An example of student accommodation.   The size can be reduced further
>by placing the WC in the shower cubicle.
>https://tinyurl.com/yxrkperr
>
>The old 1/4 acre block is a non-productive asset, and the buildings
>are wasting assets.   These no longer produce children to replace the
>parents.   Yet a large block is achievable by placing a large deposit
>before borrowing.  Thrift is the key!
>
 DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)
The Surry Hills 'Room with a Poo'
<https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/06/toilet-kitchen-sydney-studio-apartment-rent-surry-hills-australia>
https://tinyurl.com/azt28vy3

A country should not measure success by how many people it can fit
into ever-smaller apartments. 
It should ask whether ordinary workers can afford a decent home, raise
children and participate in a secure community.
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20098

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote

>> the bathroom in the exact same footprint.

>>> The 'Micro-Studio' Explosion: In dense hubs like Potts Point and
>>> Newtown, developers regularly market 18-to-24-square-metre spaces as
>>> "premium minimalist living."
>>> In reality, these layouts force the resident to stand at the stove
>>> while practically touching their bed,

Bullshit

>>> treating humans exactly like "cage hens"

Nothing even remotely like cage chooks

>>> A country should not measure success by how many people it can fit
>>> into ever-smaller apartments. It should ask whether ordinary workers
>>> can afford a decent home, raise children and participate in a secure
>>> community.

>> The Asian situation shows what is done to house people.  Even here
>> there's a move to "micro bathrooms" and push-in modular kitchens.
>> An example of student accommodation.   The size can be reduced further
>> by placing the WC in the shower cubicle.
>> https://tinyurl.com/yxrkperr

>> The old 1/4 acre block is a non-productive asset, and the buildings
>> are wasting assets.   These no longer produce children to replace the
>> parents.   Yet a large block is achievable by placing a large deposit
>> before borrowing.  Thrift is the key!

>  DINKWAD (Dual Income, No Kids, With A Dog)
> The Surry Hills 'Room with a Poo'
> <https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/06/toilet-kitchen-sydney-studio-apartment-rent-surry-hills-australia>
> https://tinyurl.com/azt28vy3

Just mindless journo bullshit from that stupid shit rag

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#20101

Peter Jason wrote:
> the bathroom in the exact same footprint.
>>
>> The 'Micro-Studio' Explosion: In dense hubs like Potts Point and
>> Newtown, developers regularly market 18-to-24-square-metre spaces as
>> "premium minimalist living."
>> In reality, these layouts force the resident to stand at the stove
>> while practically touching their bed,
>> treating humans exactly like "cage hens"
>>
>> A country should not measure success by how many people it can fit
>> into ever-smaller apartments. It should ask whether ordinary workers
>> can afford a decent home, raise children and participate in a secure
>> community.
> 
> The Asian situation shows what is done to house people.  Even here
> there's a move to "micro bathrooms" and push-in modular kitchens.
> An example of student accommodation.   The size can be reduced further
> by placing the WC in the shower cubicle.
> https://tinyurl.com/yxrkperr
> 
> 

Yes  I went to a home open last weekend, an old house about 85 sqm. They 
had cut the laundry in half to make an ensuite for the adjacent bedroom. 
Fokking tiny, but at least house had 2 dunnies.

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