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The real cost of net zero

Started byMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
First post2024-12-21 11:50 +1100
Last post2024-12-24 20:17 +1100
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  The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-21 11:50 +1100
    Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-21 14:15 +1100
      Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-21 17:43 +1100
      Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-21 17:59 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-21 18:48 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-21 19:33 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-21 20:46 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 08:09 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-22 09:41 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 00:08 +0000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 11:39 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-22 12:09 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 12:45 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 13:51 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-22 16:13 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 16:22 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-22 17:15 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 16:42 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 07:34 +1000
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 13:02 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 12:35 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-22 13:29 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 13:41 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 15:27 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-22 18:31 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 18:33 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 11:43 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 11:38 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 13:13 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 13:40 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-23 14:08 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:25 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-23 14:08 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:26 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 15:40 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 16:30 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 17:14 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 19:24 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 20:25 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-23 21:00 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 05:35 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 22:58 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 23:13 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:31 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-25 08:28 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 07:23 +1000
          Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 11:22 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 11:21 +1000
              Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 13:57 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:16 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 18:07 +1000
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:53 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:41 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 19:48 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:07 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:00 +1000
                            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-25 10:38 +1100
                              Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-25 21:52 +1100
                                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 04:51 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-26 19:40 +1100
                                    Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:17 +1100
                              Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 05:47 +1000
                                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 13:18 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 14:35 +1000
                                    Re: The real cost of net zero MightyMouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 16:06 +1100
                                      Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 15:14 +1000
                                        Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-26 19:48 +1100
                                          Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 07:07 +1000
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:51 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:40 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 19:52 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2024-12-24 19:42 +1000
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 21:29 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-24 20:57 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 21:38 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-12-25 08:08 +1000
                        Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 09:37 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 12:41 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 13:34 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-23 21:27 +1100
    Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 07:16 +1000
      Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 11:17 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 11:32 +1000
          Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 13:59 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:17 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:46 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:29 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 18:23 +1000
              Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:48 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 15:40 +1000
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 20:00 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 19:11 +1000
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:16 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-24 21:07 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 21:40 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:16 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-25 22:02 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 04:52 +1100
                              Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-26 19:55 +1100
                                Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:19 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 21:11 +1100
                                    Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 04:39 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-27 19:36 +1100
                                    Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 20:07 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 05:51 +1000
                              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 11:42 +1100
                                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 13:22 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 13:39 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:34 +1000
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 21:46 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-24 21:55 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 23:09 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Lindsay <lindsay00@nunnya.biz> - 2024-12-24 23:51 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:20 +1000
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-25 10:51 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 18:50 +1000
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2024-12-26 16:29 +1000
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 18:25 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 18:00 +1000
                              Re: The real cost of net zero MightyMouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 19:08 +1100
                                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 21:05 +1100
                                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:26 +1000
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 23:24 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-26 19:44 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 21:08 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 20:40 +1000
                              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 22:08 +1100
                                Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 23:26 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 23:46 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-27 19:53 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 18:33 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:24 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-25 08:20 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-25 10:43 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 13:03 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-23 14:00 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 14:58 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:26 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 15:44 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 16:32 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 17:19 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-24 12:29 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 13:10 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 15:32 +1000
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:42 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:37 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-24 21:24 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-24 21:34 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:21 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 21:43 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-25 00:09 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:27 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-12-25 08:24 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 09:15 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-25 10:53 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:18 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-25 22:25 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 04:53 +1100
                            Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-26 20:52 +1100
                              Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 04:44 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:35 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:26 +1100
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 20:05 +1100
                    Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 18:37 +1000
                      Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 20:06 +1100
                        Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 07:41 +1000
                          Re: The real cost of net zero "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 09:27 +1100
                          Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 06:03 +1000
                            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 13:25 +1100
                              Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 14:16 +1000
                                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 15:18 +1000
                                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-26 16:31 +1100
                                  Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 17:40 +1000
                                    Re: The real cost of net zero MightyMouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-26 18:58 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 18:32 +1000
                Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-23 21:34 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:34 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:26 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:20 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:35 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:41 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:28 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:02 +1100
                  Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:17 +1100

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#71581

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-24 05:35 +1100
Message-ID<op.2y8wlnhjbyq249@pvr2.lan>
In reply to#71578
On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:54 +1100, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>  
wrote:

> Trevor Wilson wrote on 23/12/24 1:40 pm:
>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>  Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris
>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political
>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>  https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>  or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>  in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who
>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're
>>>>> following that example.
>>>>  **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for  
>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not
>>>> a scientific source of note.
>>>>
>>>>> deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon
>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>  **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as  
>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net
>>>> emissions. IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
>>>> to bring it back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the
>>>> human race will incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever
>>>> pay for the costs. As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting
>>>> sooner is cheaper than acting later. Should we fail to keep
>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels below approximately 500ppm, then nothing
>>>> humans can do will prevent an utter catastrophe. The cost will
>>>> exceed the GDP of the planet several times over.
>>>  I'm aware of the problem
>>> (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon- dioxide/), however we
>>> have vast reserves of coal that could provide us with cheap
>>> electricity,
>>  **How about the CO2 emissions? Did you forget that? We MUST move away
>>  from coal.
>>
>>> but thanks to green ideology we have high electricity prices.
>>  **BULLSHIT. Most places in Australia have high electricity prices  
>> because we have stupid state governments that sold off profitable
>> state assets. Like electricity generation.
>>  Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity  
>> generating assets?

> Umm! That was Jeff Kennett, wasn't it??

Yep

> Doing his Business Mates a  favour.

Nope, avoiding state bankruptsy

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#71624

FromMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Date2024-12-24 22:58 +1100
Message-ID<lsvlubFubrbU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71581
Rod Speed wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:54 +1100, Daniel70 
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Trevor Wilson wrote on 23/12/24 1:40 pm:
>>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>  Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris
>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political
>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>  https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>  or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>  in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who
>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're
>>>>>> following that example.
>>>>>  **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for 
>>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not
>>>>> a scientific source of note.
>>>>>
>>>>>> deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon
>>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>>  **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as 
>>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net
>>>>> emissions. IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
>>>>> to bring it back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the
>>>>> human race will incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever
>>>>> pay for the costs. As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting
>>>>> sooner is cheaper than acting later. Should we fail to keep
>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels below approximately 500ppm, then nothing
>>>>> humans can do will prevent an utter catastrophe. The cost will
>>>>> exceed the GDP of the planet several times over.
>>>>  I'm aware of the problem
>>>> (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon- dioxide/), however we
>>>> have vast reserves of coal that could provide us with cheap
>>>> electricity,
>>>  **How about the CO2 emissions? Did you forget that? We MUST move away
>>>  from coal.
>>>
>>>> but thanks to green ideology we have high electricity prices.
>>>  **BULLSHIT. Most places in Australia have high electricity prices 
>>> because we have stupid state governments that sold off profitable
>>> state assets. Like electricity generation.
>>>  Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity 
>>> generating assets?
>
>> Umm! That was Jeff Kennett, wasn't it??
>
> Yep
>
>> Doing his Business Mates a  favour.
>
> Nope, avoiding state bankruptsy

kids today are poorly educated about our history

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#71626

FromXeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
Date2024-12-24 23:13 +1100
Message-ID<lsvmrbFu970U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71624
On 24/12/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:54 +1100, Daniel70 
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote on 23/12/24 1:40 pm:
>>>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris
>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political
>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>  https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>  or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>  in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who
>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're
>>>>>>> following that example.
>>>>>>  **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for 
>>>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not
>>>>>> a scientific source of note.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon
>>>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>>>  **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as 
>>>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net
>>>>>> emissions. IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
>>>>>> to bring it back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the
>>>>>> human race will incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever
>>>>>> pay for the costs. As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting
>>>>>> sooner is cheaper than acting later. Should we fail to keep
>>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels below approximately 500ppm, then nothing
>>>>>> humans can do will prevent an utter catastrophe. The cost will
>>>>>> exceed the GDP of the planet several times over.
>>>>>  I'm aware of the problem
>>>>> (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon- dioxide/), however we
>>>>> have vast reserves of coal that could provide us with cheap
>>>>> electricity,
>>>>  **How about the CO2 emissions? Did you forget that? We MUST move away
>>>>  from coal.
>>>>
>>>>> but thanks to green ideology we have high electricity prices.
>>>>  **BULLSHIT. Most places in Australia have high electricity prices 
>>>> because we have stupid state governments that sold off profitable
>>>> state assets. Like electricity generation.
>>>>  Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity 
>>>> generating assets?
>>
>>> Umm! That was Jeff Kennett, wasn't it??
>>
>> Yep
>>
>>> Doing his Business Mates a  favour.
>>
>> Nope, avoiding state bankruptsy
> 
> kids today are poorly educated about our history
> 
Not only kids! Some adults seem doomed to repeat history.

-- 
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#71634

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-25 07:31 +1100
Message-ID<op.2zawl5oabyq249@pvr2.lan>
In reply to#71624
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 22:58:03 +1100, Mighty Mouse  
<squeak!@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:54 +1100, Daniel70  
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote on 23/12/24 1:40 pm:
>>>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris
>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political
>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>  https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>  or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>  in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who
>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're
>>>>>>> following that example.
>>>>>>  **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for  
>>>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not
>>>>>> a scientific source of note.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon
>>>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>>>  **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as  
>>>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net
>>>>>> emissions. IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
>>>>>> to bring it back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the
>>>>>> human race will incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever
>>>>>> pay for the costs. As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting
>>>>>> sooner is cheaper than acting later. Should we fail to keep
>>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels below approximately 500ppm, then nothing
>>>>>> humans can do will prevent an utter catastrophe. The cost will
>>>>>> exceed the GDP of the planet several times over.
>>>>>  I'm aware of the problem
>>>>> (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon- dioxide/), however we
>>>>> have vast reserves of coal that could provide us with cheap
>>>>> electricity,
>>>>  **How about the CO2 emissions? Did you forget that? We MUST move away
>>>>  from coal.
>>>>
>>>>> but thanks to green ideology we have high electricity prices.
>>>>  **BULLSHIT. Most places in Australia have high electricity prices  
>>>> because we have stupid state governments that sold off profitable
>>>> state assets. Like electricity generation.
>>>>  Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity  
>>>> generating assets?
>>
>>> Umm! That was Jeff Kennett, wasn't it??
>>
>> Yep
>>
>>> Doing his Business Mates a  favour.
>>
>> Nope, avoiding state bankruptsy
>
> kids today are poorly educated about our history

Trouble is that he is no kid, just ignorant.

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#71639

FromDaryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
Date2024-12-25 08:28 +1100
Message-ID<lt0ncqF4pq9U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71634
On 25/12/2024 7:31 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 22:58:03 +1100, Mighty Mouse <squeak! 
> @thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
> 
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:00:54 +1100, Daniel70 
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote on 23/12/24 1:40 pm:
>>>>> On 23/12/2024 11:38 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 5:59 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris
>>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political
>>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>  https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>  or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>  in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who
>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're
>>>>>>>> following that example.
>>>>>>>  **Nope. I am merely pointing out that Sky is a mouthpiece for 
>>>>>>> denialists. NOTHING Sky reports can be trusted. Ever. Sky is not
>>>>>>> a scientific source of note.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon
>>>>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>>>>  **The target is zero net emissions. Simple. It must be done as 
>>>>>>> rapidly as possible and then we must aim to reverse net
>>>>>>> emissions. IOW: We must begin to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
>>>>>>> to bring it back to approximately 300ppm. Failure means that the
>>>>>>> human race will incur costs that are so high that we cannot ever
>>>>>>> pay for the costs. As has been said for at least 25 years: Acting
>>>>>>> sooner is cheaper than acting later. Should we fail to keep
>>>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels below approximately 500ppm, then nothing
>>>>>>> humans can do will prevent an utter catastrophe. The cost will
>>>>>>> exceed the GDP of the planet several times over.
>>>>>>  I'm aware of the problem
>>>>>> (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon- dioxide/), however we
>>>>>> have vast reserves of coal that could provide us with cheap
>>>>>> electricity,
>>>>>  **How about the CO2 emissions? Did you forget that? We MUST move away
>>>>>  from coal.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but thanks to green ideology we have high electricity prices.
>>>>>  **BULLSHIT. Most places in Australia have high electricity prices 
>>>>> because we have stupid state governments that sold off profitable
>>>>> state assets. Like electricity generation.
>>>>>  Remind us: Which Victorian state government sold off electricity 
>>>>> generating assets?
>>>
>>>> Umm! That was Jeff Kennett, wasn't it??
>>>
>>> Yep
>>>
>>>> Doing his Business Mates a  favour.
>>>
>>> Nope, avoiding state bankruptsy
>>
>> kids today are poorly educated about our history
> 
> Trouble is that he is no kid, just ignorant.

Depends who he means by "kids", my "kids" are 42 and 39 and are very 
well versed in recent history.
My 42 yr old sparkie son recently mentioned that the contracts to manage 
Victoria's electricity have expired or are due to expire soon so it will 
be interesting to see how state Govts manage new the contracts.

-- 
Daryl

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#71538

Fromalvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-23 07:23 +1000
Message-ID<vka006$q2m8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#71513
Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>
>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, award 
>>> winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>
>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4  (20Kb)
>>>
>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>
>>
>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
> 
> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought a King 
> news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that example. deal 
> with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon emissions, but how 
> it's done, and setting realistic targets.

You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".

The "fact" is that Murdoch has a long and proven history of being a 
climate change denier. (It's actually one of the reasons why he recently 
tried to change his will).


alvey

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#71542

FromMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Date2024-12-23 11:22 +1100
Message-ID<lsropkFb2eqU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71538
alvey wrote:
> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, award 
>>>> winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>
>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4  (20Kb)
>>>>
>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>
>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought a 
>> King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that 
>> example. deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon 
>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>
> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".

so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you won't 
since you didn't listen/watch. but if you had taken the trouble to know 
what you're talking about, you would know that it's not about denying 
climate change.

>
> The "fact" is that Murdoch has a long and proven history of being a 
> climate change denier. (It's actually one of the reasons why he 
> recently tried to change his will).
>
>
> alvey


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#71546

Fromalvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-23 11:21 +1000
Message-ID<vkadvq$sj96$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#71542
Mighty Mouse wrote:
> alvey wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, award 
>>>>> winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>
>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4  (20Kb)
>>>>>
>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>
>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought a 
>>> King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that 
>>> example. deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon 
>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>
>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
>> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
> 
> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you won't 
> since you didn't listen/watch.

I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big ask), but 
couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a succession of 
self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially when they were all 
reading from the same script, "Coal power works when the wind doesn't 
blow and the sun doesn't shine" they chanted. Whoopee. Batteries 
specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, the best that the OPs 
could do to diss the battery storage of NP was chorus that the cost of 
battery storage was "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive 
argument. Neither does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining 
about the cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They 
were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light on 
(haha) facts and stats.

Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.

> but if you had taken the trouble to know 
> what you're talking about, you would know that it's not about denying 
> climate change.

Yeah, it is. That plus "huge" dollop of self-interest on top.

Fact is felix that burning fossil fuels has been a major contributor to 
creating an over-heating and struggling planet. It seems a no-brainer to
ditch it and use sources that are both infinite and free, *even* if it 
does cost more.



alvey
Again suggesting that you read something that's not Murdoch. It's not 
illegal you know. Yet.

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#71552

FromMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Date2024-12-23 13:57 +1100
Message-ID<lss1tmFcgjlU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71546
alvey wrote:
> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> alvey wrote:
>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, 
>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>
>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought a 
>>>> King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that 
>>>> example. deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon 
>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>
>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
>>> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>
>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you won't 
>> since you didn't listen/watch.
>
> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big ask), 
> but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a succession of 
> self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially when they were all 
> reading from the same script, "Coal power works when the wind doesn't 
> blow and the sun doesn't shine" they chanted. Whoopee. Batteries 
> specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, the best that the OPs 
> could do to diss the battery storage of NP was chorus that the cost of 
> battery storage was "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive 
> argument. Neither does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining 
> about the cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They 
> were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light on 
> (haha) facts and stats.
>
> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.

I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.

>
>> but if you had taken the trouble to know what you're talking about, 
>> you would know that it's not about denying climate change.
>
> Yeah, it is. That plus "huge" dollop of self-interest on top.
>
> Fact is felix that burning fossil fuels has been a major contributor 
> to creating an over-heating and struggling planet. It seems a 
> no-brainer to
> ditch it and use sources that are both infinite and free, *even* if it 
> does cost more.
>

we know that. but the fact is we could have kept our coal power plants 
until we had viable power sources and there would have been NO effect on 
global warming considering the minuscule effect our total emissions do 
have.

>
> alvey
> Again suggesting that you read something that's not Murdoch. It's not 
> illegal you know. Yet.
>

truth is truth and facts are facts irrespective of the source.

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#71558

FromXeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
Date2024-12-23 15:16 +1100
Message-ID<lss6gtFd56jU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71552
On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> alvey wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> alvey wrote:
>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, 
>>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>
>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought a 
>>>>> King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that 
>>>>> example. deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon 
>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>
>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
>>>> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>
>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you won't 
>>> since you didn't listen/watch.
>>
>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big ask), 
>> but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a succession of 
>> self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially when they were all 
>> reading from the same script, "Coal power works when the wind doesn't 
>> blow and the sun doesn't shine" they chanted. Whoopee. Batteries 
>> specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, the best that the OPs 
>> could do to diss the battery storage of NP was chorus that the cost of 
>> battery storage was "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive 
>> argument. Neither does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining 
>> about the cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They 
>> were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light on 
>> (haha) facts and stats.
>>
>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
> 
> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.

If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least know and 
understand the content of said doco.
> 
>>
>>> but if you had taken the trouble to know what you're talking about, 
>>> you would know that it's not about denying climate change.
>>
>> Yeah, it is. That plus "huge" dollop of self-interest on top.
>>
>> Fact is felix that burning fossil fuels has been a major contributor 
>> to creating an over-heating and struggling planet. It seems a no- 
>> brainer to
>> ditch it and use sources that are both infinite and free, *even* if it 
>> does cost more.
>>
> 
> we know that. but the fact is we could have kept our coal power plants 
> until we had viable power sources and there would have been NO effect on 
> global warming considering the minuscule effect our total emissions do 
> have.

Nope, the coal fired plants are well past their use by dates. Keeping 
them going will cost more than building, say, gas peaking plants.
> 
>>
>> alvey
>> Again suggesting that you read something that's not Murdoch. It's not 
>> illegal you know. Yet.
>>
> 
> truth is truth and facts are facts irrespective of the source.
> 


-- 
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       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#71573

Fromalvey <Factman@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-23 18:07 +1000
Message-ID<vkb5o9$141mb$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#71558
Xeno wrote:
> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> alvey wrote:
>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, 
>>>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who brought 
>>>>>> a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're following that 
>>>>>> example. deal with the facts. it's not about not reducing carbon 
>>>>>> emissions, but how it's done, and setting realistic targets.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
>>>>> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>
>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>
>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big ask), 
>>> but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a succession of 
>>> self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially when they were 
>>> all reading from the same script, "Coal power works when the wind 
>>> doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they chanted. Whoopee. 
>>> Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, the best that 
>>> the OPs could do to diss the battery storage of NP was chorus that 
>>> the cost of battery storage was "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a 
>>> decisive argument. Neither does interviewing one Canberra pensioner 
>>> complaining about the cost of her electricity bill a decent sample 
>>> size make. They were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but 
>>> relatively light on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>
>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>
>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
> 
> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least know and 
> understand the content of said doco.

Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.



alvey

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#71591

FromMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Date2024-12-24 15:53 +1100
Message-ID<lsut2aFqhl9U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71573
alvey wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> alvey wrote:
>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, 
>>>>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about not 
>>>>>>> reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting 
>>>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
>>>>>> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>
>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>
>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially 
>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power works 
>>>> when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they chanted. 
>>>> Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, 
>>>> the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery storage of NP 
>>>> was chorus that the cost of battery storage was "huge". Adjectives 
>>>> don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither does interviewing one 
>>>> Canberra pensioner complaining about the cost of her electricity 
>>>> bill a decent sample size make. They were, like Trump, big on fear 
>>>> and opinion, but relatively light on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>
>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>
>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least know 
>> and understand the content of said doco.
>
> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.
>
>

I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't refer 
to any of it's content.

>
> alvey
>


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#71599

FromXeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
Date2024-12-24 18:41 +1100
Message-ID<lsv6u0FrrvnU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71591
On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> alvey wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, 
>>>>>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about not 
>>>>>>>> reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting 
>>>>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting the 
>>>>>>> messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially 
>>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power works 
>>>>> when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they chanted. 
>>>>> Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, 
>>>>> the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery storage of NP 
>>>>> was chorus that the cost of battery storage was "huge". Adjectives 
>>>>> don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither does interviewing one 
>>>>> Canberra pensioner complaining about the cost of her electricity 
>>>>> bill a decent sample size make. They were, like Trump, big on fear 
>>>>> and opinion, but relatively light on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>>
>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least know 
>>> and understand the content of said doco.
>>
>> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.
>>
>>
> 
> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't refer 
> to any of it's content.

You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the contents 
were or even their focus or bias.
> 
>>
>> alvey
>>
> 
> 


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#71602

FromMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Date2024-12-24 19:48 +1100
Message-ID<lsvaqnFslceU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71599
Xeno wrote:
> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> alvey wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris 
>>>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political 
>>>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about 
>>>>>>>>> not reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting 
>>>>>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting 
>>>>>>>> the messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially 
>>>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power 
>>>>>> works when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they 
>>>>>> chanted. Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 
>>>>>> 25min mark, the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery 
>>>>>> storage of NP was chorus that the cost of battery storage was 
>>>>>> "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither 
>>>>>> does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining about the 
>>>>>> cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They 
>>>>>> were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light 
>>>>>> on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>>>
>>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least 
>>>> know and understand the content of said doco.
>>>
>>> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't 
>> refer to any of it's content.
>
> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the 
> contents were or even their focus or bias.

I post to to provide material for discussion

>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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#71608

FromXeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
Date2024-12-24 20:07 +1100
Message-ID<lsvbtmFspo2U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71602
On 24/12/2024 7:48 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> alvey wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about 
>>>>>>>>>> not reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting 
>>>>>>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting 
>>>>>>>>> the messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially 
>>>>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power 
>>>>>>> works when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they 
>>>>>>> chanted. Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 
>>>>>>> 25min mark, the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery 
>>>>>>> storage of NP was chorus that the cost of battery storage was 
>>>>>>> "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither 
>>>>>>> does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining about the 
>>>>>>> cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They 
>>>>>>> were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light 
>>>>>>> on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least 
>>>>> know and understand the content of said doco.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't 
>>> refer to any of it's content.
>>
>> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the 
>> contents were or even their focus or bias.
> 
> I post to to provide material for discussion

So do I but I read/watch all relevant points in the article first. In a 
discussion, forewarned is forearmed.

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#71635

Fromalvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-25 07:00 +1000
Message-ID<vkf7dp$218b7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#71602
Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> alvey wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about 
>>>>>>>>>> not reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting 
>>>>>>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting 
>>>>>>>>> the messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially 
>>>>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power 
>>>>>>> works when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they 
>>>>>>> chanted. Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 
>>>>>>> 25min mark, the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery 
>>>>>>> storage of NP was chorus that the cost of battery storage was 
>>>>>>> "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither 
>>>>>>> does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining about the 
>>>>>>> cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They 
>>>>>>> were, like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light 
>>>>>>> on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least 
>>>>> know and understand the content of said doco.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't 
>>> refer to any of it's content.
>>
>> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the 
>> contents were or even their focus or bias.
> 
> I post to to provide material for discussion

lol.

That's from the same playbook as, "My client was tired, emotional and on 
prescription drugs at the time".

Stop digging and move on felix.


alvey

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#71645

FromMighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Date2024-12-25 10:38 +1100
Message-ID<lt0v0hF65rrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#71635
alvey wrote:
> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uhlmann, award winning journalist and Sky News Political 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about 
>>>>>>>>>>> not reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> setting realistic targets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting 
>>>>>>>>>> the messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course 
>>>>>>>>> you won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. 
>>>>>>>> Especially when they were all reading from the same script, 
>>>>>>>> "Coal power works when the wind doesn't blow and the sun 
>>>>>>>> doesn't shine" they chanted. Whoopee. Batteries specifics 
>>>>>>>> anyone? Nope. Up to the 25min mark, the best that the OPs could 
>>>>>>>> do to diss the battery storage of NP was chorus that the cost 
>>>>>>>> of battery storage was "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a 
>>>>>>>> decisive argument. Neither does interviewing one Canberra 
>>>>>>>> pensioner complaining about the cost of her electricity bill a 
>>>>>>>> decent sample size make. They were, like Trump, big on fear and 
>>>>>>>> opinion, but relatively light on (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least 
>>>>>> know and understand the content of said doco.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. That's pretty embarrassing felix.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't 
>>>> refer to any of it's content.
>>>
>>> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the 
>>> contents were or even their focus or bias.
>>
>> I post to to provide material for discussion
>
> lol.
>
> That's from the same playbook as, "My client was tired, emotional and 
> on prescription drugs at the time".

not at all. just because I post something I think will be of interest to 
readers, doesn't mean I have any interest to discuss it at length.

>
> Stop digging and move on felix.
>
>
> alvey
>


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#71650

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2024-12-25 21:52 +1100
Message-ID<vkgo5v$2c6ju$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#71645
Mighty Mouse wrote on 25/12/24 10:38 am:
> alvey wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:

<Snip>

>>>>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't 
>>>>> refer to any of it's content.
>>>>
>>>> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the 
>>>> contents were or even their focus or bias.
>>>
>>> I post to to provide material for discussion
>>
>> lol.
>>
>> That's from the same playbook as, "My client was tired, emotional and 
>> on prescription drugs at the time".
> 
> not at all. just because I post something I think will be of interest to 
> readers, doesn't mean I have any interest to discuss it at length.

Right!! So you post something YOU think is interesting .... and then 
expect others to discuss it so YOU can determine what the go is!!

Right!!
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#71653

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-26 04:51 +1100
Message-ID<op.2zcjwcn4byq249@pvr2.lan>
In reply to#71650
On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 21:52:52 +1100, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>  
wrote:

> Mighty Mouse wrote on 25/12/24 10:38 am:
>> alvey wrote:
>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
>>>>>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't  
>>>>>> refer to any of it's content.
>>>>>
>>>>> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what the  
>>>>> contents were or even their focus or bias.
>>>>
>>>> I post to to provide material for discussion
>>>
>>> lol.
>>>
>>> That's from the same playbook as, "My client was tired, emotional and  
>>> on prescription drugs at the time".
>>  not at all. just because I post something I think will be of interest  
>> to readers, doesn't mean I have any interest to discuss it at length.
>
> Right!! So you post something YOU think is interesting .... and then  
> expect others to discuss it so YOU can determine what the go is!!

There was never any expectation that others discuss it

> Right!!

Wrong!

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#71679

FromDaniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2024-12-26 19:40 +1100
Message-ID<vkj4qg$2t3hi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#71653
Rod Speed wrote on 26/12/24 4:51 am:
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 21:52:52 +1100, Daniel70 
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Mighty Mouse wrote on 25/12/24 10:38 am:
>>> alvey wrote:
>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/12/2024 3:53 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> 
>> <Snip>
>> 
>>>>>>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I
>>>>>>> didn't refer to any of it's content.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You couldn't because you never read it so didn't know what
>>>>>> the contents were or even their focus or bias.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I post to to provide material for discussion
>>>> 
>>>> lol.
>>>> 
>>>> That's from the same playbook as, "My client was tired,
>>>> emotional and on prescription drugs at the time".
>>> not at all. just because I post something I think will be of 
>>> interest to readers, doesn't mean I have any interest to discuss
>>> it at length.
>> 
>> Right!! So you post something YOU think is interesting .... and
>> then expect others to discuss it so YOU can determine what the go
>> is!!
> 
> There was never any expectation that others discuss it

Sorry!! What does "just because I post something I think will be of
interest to readers" mean, Roddles, if not to get others to discuss it??

>> Right!!
> 
> Wrong!

In your feeble mind, maybe, Roddles!!
-- 
Daniel

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