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  "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-26 09:52 +0700
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-26 19:16 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 20:08 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Max <max@val.morgan> - 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 00:01 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-26 21:59 +0800
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 18:49 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 01:08 -0700
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:28 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 01:54 -0700
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 04:56 +1100
                    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:24 -0700
                      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 04:12 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:27 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 20:50 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 04:47 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:21 +0000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:29 +0000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2019-03-27 10:14 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:14 +1000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-29 09:52 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:30 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:12 +1000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 16:05 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-27 22:14 +0000
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +1000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 15:40 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:19 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:42 +1100
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 17:54 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-28 08:43 +0800
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:27 +0000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-29 08:33 +1000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-29 01:32 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:52 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-31 07:48 +0800
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-31 04:57 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:55 +0700
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 07:04 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:49 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-31 22:00 +0000
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 13:43 +1100
                    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-01 22:07 +0000
                      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-02 10:35 +1100
                        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-04-02 06:55 +0000
                          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:02 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:43 +1000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-28 13:10 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:59 +0700
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:38 +0000
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 13:56 +1000

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#65132

On 3/27/2019 9:14 AM, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:29:34 +0000 (UTC),
> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
> 
>> In aus.computers Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>>>
>>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>>> precedent
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>>
>>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>>
>>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>>
>> voat.co can't be accessed via the IP address because they use
>> Cloudflare (and they've blocked sites intentionally in the past
>> as well, though not in this case). Jeeze the internet is getting
>> messed up with layers on top of layers, mixed in with deliberate
>> censorship and other filtering.
> 
> Even Tumblr has gone all pussy.
> ...meow.
> 
No they've gone all no pussy.

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#65153

Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In aus.computers Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>>
>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>> precedent
>>>>
>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>
>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>
>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
> 
> voat.co can't be accessed via the IP address because they use
> Cloudflare (and they've blocked sites intentionally in the past
> as well, though not in this case). Jeeze the internet is getting
> messed up with layers on top of layers, mixed in with deliberate
> censorship and other filtering.
> 
I put voat into Duckpond through my republic which uses optus (I think) 
and I got the Voat page.

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#65157

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:52:33 +1100, FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In aus.computers Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>>>
>>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>>> precedent
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>>
>>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>>
>>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>> 
>> voat.co can't be accessed via the IP address because they use
>> Cloudflare (and they've blocked sites intentionally in the past
>> as well, though not in this case). Jeeze the internet is getting
>> messed up with layers on top of layers, mixed in with deliberate
>> censorship and other filtering.
>> 
>I put voat into Duckpond through my republic which uses optus (I think) 
>and I got the Voat page.

I use the torent page as a USA TV guide for my streamung TV is now
blocked unless I use my VPN
https://digitalcontentguide.com.au
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Great lawyers know the judge 

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#65131

On 3/27/2019 8:21 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>
>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>> precedent
>>>
>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>
>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
> 
> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
> 
If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.

Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
IBM 9.9.9.9
Cloudflare 1.1.1.1

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#65133

On 27/03/2019 3:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/27/2019 8:21 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>>
>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>> precedent
>>>>
>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>
>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>>
> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
> 
> Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
> IBM 9.9.9.9
> Cloudflare 1.1.1.1

Optus, at least, are blocking the IP address.

Sylvia.

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#65140

In aus.computers keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/27/2019 8:21 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>> precedent
>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>
>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>> 
>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>> 
> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.

Yes I know, but in my case that requires a bit of documentation
reading, configuration file editing, and rebooting. Anyway, I had
time for that this morning so I tried with another DNS server and
I can access the sites. So Telstra aren't blocking the IP addresses,
just not resolving the DNS queries for blocked domains.

This might be enough for me to switch to an alternative DNS server
permanently. In the past blocks haven't affected any sites that I
actually use, but I have used archive.is before (although I usually
find what I need with web.archive.org) and it could have been a real
inconvenience. I'll have to look into the DNS services better and
compare performance first though. What's bet that after all that
Telstra wake up and start blocking the IP addresses too?

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#65142

On 3/28/2019 8:14 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In aus.computers keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 3/27/2019 8:21 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>>> precedent
>>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>>
>>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>>
>>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>>>
>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
> 
> Yes I know, but in my case that requires a bit of documentation
> reading, configuration file editing, and rebooting. Anyway, I had
> time for that this morning so I tried with another DNS server and
> I can access the sites. So Telstra aren't blocking the IP addresses,
> just not resolving the DNS queries for blocked domains.
> 
> This might be enough for me to switch to an alternative DNS server
> permanently. In the past blocks haven't affected any sites that I
> actually use, but I have used archive.is before (although I usually
> find what I need with web.archive.org) and it could have been a real
> inconvenience. I'll have to look into the DNS services better and
> compare performance first though. What's bet that after all that
> Telstra wake up and start blocking the IP addresses too?
> 
I use a Raspberry Pi running PiHole as a DNS forwarder, it has a 
blacklist that filters adverts and trackers. It's the most effective way 
of doing it as it works across all the machines in the house, and all 
browsers. It is set up to use Cloudflare, I used to use IBM but 
Cloudflare support DNS requests over TLS which is my next step, it means 
that my ISP cannot even see what DNS requests that I am making. If they 
want to block anything, they'll have to do deep packet inspection, and I 
can't see them putting that level of effort in.

A crude check (using ping) shows Cloudflare the quickest by a fair 
margin, Google and IBM fairly similar. Bypassing your ISP should improve 
performance as it cuts out the middleman.

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#65149

In aus.legal keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/28/2019 8:14 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In aus.computers keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
>> 
>> Yes I know, but in my case that requires a bit of documentation
>> reading, configuration file editing, and rebooting. Anyway, I had
>> time for that this morning so I tried with another DNS server and
>> I can access the sites. So Telstra aren't blocking the IP addresses,
>> just not resolving the DNS queries for blocked domains.
>> 
>> This might be enough for me to switch to an alternative DNS server
>> permanently. In the past blocks haven't affected any sites that I
>> actually use, but I have used archive.is before (although I usually
>> find what I need with web.archive.org) and it could have been a real
>> inconvenience. I'll have to look into the DNS services better and
>> compare performance first though. What's bet that after all that
>> Telstra wake up and start blocking the IP addresses too?
>> 
> I use a Raspberry Pi running PiHole as a DNS forwarder, it has a 
> blacklist that filters adverts and trackers. It's the most effective way 
> of doing it as it works across all the machines in the house, and all 
> browsers.

I don't really see the need for that with my own use. Easier to have
NoScript installed on each browser and blocking everything except
what is explicitly allowed. A "block all except:" approach is safer
than "block these:", and is more easily tailored to minimise the
scripts running on a specific website to only the ones required for
it to do what you want, thereby improving performance as well as
security.

I only regularly use Dillo (can't run scripts in the first place) and
Firefox on my home PCs/Laptop, and don't use any "smart" gizmos, so
I'm assuming that there's some case for a PiHole once they're brought
into the mix (probably all the "apps" that call to things you don't
ask them to, but I'm blissfully ignorant about all that - except
Firefox does a bit of it, which I've tried to reduce by editing
about:config).

I connect to the internet via a router running OpenWRT with a 3G
mobile broadband modem plugged in. Now that I've found the right
commands to put in /etc/config/network, changing the DNS server
should be quicker next time (and I probably didn't need to reboot,
but I couldn't remember which process to restart (and the modem
takes about as long to reboot as the router anyway)).

One thing I am considering is using a Raspberry Pi as a proxy to
forward HTTPS connections to my local network via HTTP. This is
because an ever increasing amount of software (including some that
still receives security updates) seems to be having problems with
specific sites using specific encryption options. 90% are sites that
I don't need to use HTTPS with in the first place because I don't
want to submit any information to them besides the URL, but the
stupid webmasters force it upon their users. The router didn't prove
powerful enough to run the software required to do this, so a Pi is
a backup option - though I hate adding another computer to the mix.

> It is set up to use Cloudflare, I used to use IBM but 
> Cloudflare support DNS requests over TLS which is my next step, it means 
> that my ISP cannot even see what DNS requests that I am making.

But they can see the IP address, which in many/most cases will tell
them exactly what site you're viewing just as the DNS request would
have. Bringing Cloudflare into the mix just exposes you to the US
government's policies as well as the Aus gov's. Plus you can't trust
them as a company any more than your ISP anyway.

If I switch DNS server it would preferably be to one run by and
Australian company (which will probably rule it out as an option,
but I haven't looked yet (think I did once before though, and I
clearly didn't change)).

> If they 
> want to block anything, they'll have to do deep packet inspection, and I 
> can't see them putting that level of effort in.

No, they'll do what Optus already did and block the IP address.

> A crude check (using ping) shows Cloudflare the quickest by a fair 
> margin, Google and IBM fairly similar.

That's cruder than I'd like, I'll have to find a tool that shows the
actual DNS resolution times.

> Bypassing your ISP should improve performance as it cuts out the
> middleman.

I don't see why that would be.

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#65146

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:14:09 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

>In aus.computers keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 3/27/2019 8:21 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>>> precedent
>>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>>
>>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>> 
>>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>>> 
>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
>
>Yes I know, but in my case that requires a bit of documentation
>reading, configuration file editing, and rebooting. Anyway, I had
>time for that this morning so I tried with another DNS server and
>I can access the sites. So Telstra aren't blocking the IP addresses,
>just not resolving the DNS queries for blocked domains.
>
>This might be enough for me to switch to an alternative DNS server
>permanently. In the past blocks haven't affected any sites that I
>actually use, but I have used archive.is before (although I usually
>find what I need with web.archive.org) and it could have been a real
>inconvenience. I'll have to look into the DNS services better and
>compare performance first though. What's bet that after all that
>Telstra wake up and start blocking the IP addresses too?

Changing DNS alone won't do it, check here what IP's can be seen
always disable IPv6, If you havu uTorrent down load the "Torrent
Address detection" test
https://ipleak.net 

You need a VPS that has it's own DNS server does not have logs and
encrypts from your computer to their decrypting server.
once decrypted sends to their DNS the back to their encrypting server,
which then goes to your computer for decrypting.

For me I use this one for Windows 10.
https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/how-it-works/
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Petzl 
Good lawyers know the law 
Great lawyers know the judge 

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#65150

In aus.legal Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Changing DNS alone won't do it,

It did.

> check here what IP's can be seen
> always disable IPv6, If you havu uTorrent down load the "Torrent
> Address detection" test
> https://ipleak.net 
> 
> You need a VPS that has it's own DNS server does not have logs and
> encrypts from your computer to their decrypting server.
> once decrypted sends to their DNS the back to their encrypting server,
> which then goes to your computer for decrypting.

I'm not going to pay a VPN service just so that I can fully use an
internet service that I'm already paying for (without blocking).

Free web proxy sites work to access the blocked websites in this
case anyway. I tested that.

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#65158

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:19:08 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

>In aus.legal Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Changing DNS alone won't do it,
>
>It did.
>
>> check here what IP's can be seen
>> always disable IPv6, If you havu uTorrent down load the "Torrent
>> Address detection" test
>> https://ipleak.net 
>> 
>> You need a VPS that has it's own DNS server does not have logs and
>> encrypts from your computer to their decrypting server.
>> once decrypted sends to their DNS the back to their encrypting server,
>> which then goes to your computer for decrypting.
>
>I'm not going to pay a VPN service just so that I can fully use an
>internet service that I'm already paying for (without blocking).
>
>Free web proxy sites work to access the blocked websites in this
>case anyway. I tested that.

Well "our" government is throwing kids in jail for up to 14 years for
watching Christchurch shooting in a terrorist Mosque involed in the
2015/2016 attacks and more!
https://ibb.co/kHdTQSL
OK to watch Moslams using cars to mow down Australians though?

I would guess one needs a VPN who knows when you won't be allowed to
read say One Nation?

--  
Petzl
Who doesn't come up with similar such cunning plans every Friday night
at after-work drinks?
 
The point is that ON doesn't appear to have received any money from
the NRA, in fact I'm not clear if they ever spoke to the NRA, all that
seems to have happened is some journo posing as the NRA recorded some
drunken conversations he had with them.
 
Seems like a big pile of non-news.
 
Almost certainly, an investigative report into those who planned the
Al-Jazeera operation would be much more fascinating.

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#65165

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:r2vv9e94gc4h1a4hui5aj9j0vs173740s1@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:19:08 +0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
>>In aus.legal Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Changing DNS alone won't do it,
>>
>>It did.
>>
>>> check here what IP's can be seen
>>> always disable IPv6, If you havu uTorrent down load the "Torrent
>>> Address detection" test
>>> https://ipleak.net
>>>
>>> You need a VPS that has it's own DNS server does not have logs and
>>> encrypts from your computer to their decrypting server.
>>> once decrypted sends to their DNS the back to their encrypting server,
>>> which then goes to your computer for decrypting.
>>
>>I'm not going to pay a VPN service just so that I can fully use an
>>internet service that I'm already paying for (without blocking).
>>
>>Free web proxy sites work to access the blocked websites in this
>>case anyway. I tested that.

> Well "our" government is throwing kids in jail for up to
> 14 years for watching Christchurch shooting in a terrorist
> Mosque involed in the 2015/2016 attacks and more!

Not one kid has been jailed for a minute for doing that.

> https://ibb.co/kHdTQSL

Just because some fool claims something...

> I would guess one needs a VPN who knows when
> you won't be allowed to read say One Nation?

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something. 

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#65141

On 27/03/2019 12:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 3/27/2019 8:21 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>>
>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>> precedent
>>>>
>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>
>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>>
> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
> 
> Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
> IBM 9.9.9.9
> Cloudflare 1.1.1.1


These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.

-- 

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#65151

Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
> On 27/03/2019 12:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
>> 
>> Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
>> IBM 9.9.9.9
>> Cloudflare 1.1.1.1
> 
> 
> These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.

Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
content.

Of course it wouldn't take much to make getting around the blocks
a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
addresses.

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

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#65152

On 3/29/2019 8:27 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>> On 27/03/2019 12:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
>>>
>>> Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
>>> IBM 9.9.9.9
>>> Cloudflare 1.1.1.1
>>
>>
>> These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.
> 
> Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
> bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
> they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
> content.
> 
> Of course it wouldn't take much to make getting around the blocks
> a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
> addresses.
> 
Just use DNS over TLS.

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#65155

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/29/2019 8:27 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.
>> 
>> Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
>> bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
>> they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
>> content.
>> 
>> Of course it wouldn't take much to make getting around the blocks
>> a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
>> addresses.
>> 
> Just use DNS over TLS.

>> a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^
Though by the time they're blocking those, the IP addresses for the
censored sites would also be blocked (like Optus are apparantly
already doing), so no form of DNS server will help you access the
site anyway.

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#65161

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:33:08 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 3/29/2019 8:27 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>>> On 27/03/2019 12:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
>>>>
>>>> Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
>>>> IBM 9.9.9.9
>>>> Cloudflare 1.1.1.1
>>>
>>>
>>> These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.
>> 
>> Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
>> bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
>> they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
>> content.
>> 
>> Of course it wouldn't take much to make getting around the blocks
>> a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
>> addresses.
>> 
>Just use DNS over TLS.

yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_over_TLS
-- 
Petzl 
Good lawyers know the law 
Great lawyers know the judge 

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#65159

On 29/03/2019 6:27 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>> On 27/03/2019 12:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>> If they're blocking the DNS request, simply use another DNS server.
>>>
>>> Google 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
>>> IBM 9.9.9.9
>>> Cloudflare 1.1.1.1
>>
>>
>> These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.
> 
> Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
> bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
> they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
> content.
> 

On the latter you have a point but on the former they are only blocking 
content to those who aren't seeking it out. Those that want to see it 
will know how to get around the blocks or find out if they don't.

> Of course it wouldn't take much to make getting around the blocks
> a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
> addresses.
> 

There will still be ways around even if government/telcos have gone to 
such an extent to deny service.

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#65162

Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
> On 29/03/2019 6:27 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> These blocks are so easy to get around that I don't know why they bother.
>> 
>> Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
>> bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
>> they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
>> content.
>> 
> 
> On the latter you have a point but on the former they are only blocking 
> content to those who aren't seeking it out. Those that want to see it 
> will know how to get around the blocks or find out if they don't.

Well it would be interesting to see the access logs for the sites.

>> Of course it wouldn't take much to make getting around the blocks
>> a lot harder by also blocking proxy, VPN, DNS server, etc. IP
>> addresses.
> 
> There will still be ways around even if government/telcos have gone to 
> such an extent to deny service.

Sure, even China can't manage it while threatening to lock people up.
But with every hurdle, a lot of people will just decide that it's too
much trouble - it's the same with online privacy.

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#65163

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 07:48:34 +0800, Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:

>On 29/03/2019 6:27 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>
>> Because 90% of the population (probably generous) won't know, or be
>> bothered to find out, the simple methods to get around them. Plus
>> they only want to give the appearance of doing something about the
>> content.
>> 
>on the former they are only blocking content to those who aren't seeking it out. 

Could you possibly expand on this point? Do you mean ISP's are
surreptitiously blocking specific content so those *not* seeking it do
not stumble across it?

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