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  Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 07:25 +1000
    Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-08-29 10:18 +1000
      Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 13:38 +1000
        Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-08-29 14:18 +1000
          Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 18:07 +1000
            Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-08-29 21:54 +1000
              Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 19:03 +1000
                Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-08-30 22:21 +1000
                  Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-08-31 09:38 +1000
                    Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-08-31 10:27 +1000
                Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 09:34 +1000
            Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 09:31 +1000
          Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 09:28 +1000
        Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 09:27 +1000
      Re: Koala Airlines to enter Australian market "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-09-06 09:04 +1000

#27444 — Koala Airlines to enter Australian market

https://koalaair.com.au

<https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
    https://t.ly/sbaFF  

Helwing Villamizar
August 27, 2024
DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
“break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
established LCC standards. 
-- 
Petzl 
Good lawyers know the law 
Great lawyers know the judge 

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel 
High Court reveals every current judge is a 
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
 exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over 
the sacking of 1700 workers.

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#27445

On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
> https://koalaair.com.au
> 
> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>      https://t.ly/sbaFF
> 
> Helwing Villamizar
> August 27, 2024
> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
> established LCC standards.


Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever 
talks about that has been around for a long time.
Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have 
some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the 
general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.


-- 
Daryl

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#27446

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>> https://koalaair.com.au
>> 
>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>      https://t.ly/sbaFF
>> 
>> Helwing Villamizar
>> August 27, 2024
>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>> established LCC standards.
>
>
>Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever 
>talks about that has been around for a long time.
>Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have 
>some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the 
>general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>
Alliance Airlines
<https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>

Suspect there is money in failing?
There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.

I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
carrier without Government subsidies?
-- 
Petzl 
Good lawyers know the law 
Great lawyers know the judge 

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel 
High Court reveals every current judge is a 
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
 exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over 
the sacking of 1700 workers.

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#27447

On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>
>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>       https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>
>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>> August 27, 2024
>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>> established LCC standards.
>>
>>
>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>
> Alliance Airlines
> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
> 
> Suspect there is money in failing?

Unlikely.

> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
> 
> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
> carrier without Government subsidies?

AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional 
routes.
Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
-- 
Daryl

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#27448

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>       https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>
>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>
>> Alliance Airlines
>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>> 
>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>
>Unlikely.
>
>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>> 
>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>
>AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional 
>routes.
>Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>
Seems they are all running on fumes,
Dodgey economics at best
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
   https://t.ly/mwhxv  
Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
billion in the 2024 financial year.
Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
and shareholders".
What's next? 
Qantas didn't declare a dividend, but it announced an up to $400
million share buyback.
-- 
Petzl 
Good lawyers know the law 
Great lawyers know the judge 

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel 
High Court reveals every current judge is a 
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
 exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over 
the sacking of 1700 workers.

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#27449

On 29/8/2024 6:07 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>        https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>
>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>
>>> Alliance Airlines
>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>
>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>
>> Unlikely.
>>
>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>
>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>
>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional
>> routes.
>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>>
> Seems they are all running on fumes,
> Dodgey economics at best
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>     https://t.ly/mwhxv
> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
> billion in the 2024 financial year.
> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
> and shareholders".

I read that.
They pissed off a lot of former loyal customers, its not going to be 
easy to win those back.

> What's next?

Things may get better for Qantas now that the Leprechaun has gone, he 
seemed to go out of his way to piss off employees and customers which is 
no way to run a business if you want it be around for a long time.




-- 
Daryl

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#27450

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:54:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 29/8/2024 6:07 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>>        https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>>
>>>> Alliance Airlines
>>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>>
>>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>>
>>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>>
>>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional
>>> routes.
>>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>>>
>> Seems they are all running on fumes,
>> Dodgey economics at best
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>>     https://t.ly/mwhxv
>> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
>> billion in the 2024 financial year.
>> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
>> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
>> and shareholders".
>
>I read that.
>They pissed off a lot of former loyal customers, its not going to be 
>easy to win those back.
>
>> What's next?
>
>Things may get better for Qantas now that the Leprechaun has gone, he 
>seemed to go out of his way to piss off employees and customers which is 
>no way to run a business if you want it be around for a long time.
>
Used to always fly QANTAS till the Leprechaun appeared
QANTAS offended me straight away with booking on QANTAS then expected
to boar Jetstar.
I suspect if Jestar is to remain that is what needs improving
IMO best shod of it!
-- 
Petzl 
Only the Irish Leprignomes have remained aloof and their family
heritage remains pure and unconfused. Gnome watchers believe that the
reason for this stems from the unfortunate events that led to their
expulsion from the peat bogs of Ireland in the late 1700s. It is
thought that the ambitious Leprignomes encroached on the territorial
boundaries of the intellectually superior Leprechauns. The Grand
Legislature of Leprechauns banished the ringleaders of this audacious
uprising to Australia. As a parting gesture they cast such a powerful
spell on the Leprignomes that, even today, they remain too shy to
associate with other gnome species.

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#27451

On 30/8/2024 7:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:54:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 29/8/2024 6:07 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>>>         https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>>>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Alliance Airlines
>>>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>>>
>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>
>>>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>>>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional
>>>> routes.
>>>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>>>>
>>> Seems they are all running on fumes,
>>> Dodgey economics at best
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>>>      https://t.ly/mwhxv
>>> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
>>> billion in the 2024 financial year.
>>> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
>>> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
>>> and shareholders".
>>
>> I read that.
>> They pissed off a lot of former loyal customers, its not going to be
>> easy to win those back.
>>
>>> What's next?
>>
>> Things may get better for Qantas now that the Leprechaun has gone, he
>> seemed to go out of his way to piss off employees and customers which is
>> no way to run a business if you want it be around for a long time.
>>
> Used to always fly QANTAS till the Leprechaun appeared
> QANTAS offended me straight away with booking on QANTAS then expected
> to boar Jetstar.
> I suspect if Jestar is to remain that is what needs improving
> IMO best shod of it!

I've never flown Qantas but flown numerous times on Jetstar and never 
had a problem, on domestic flights I've always gone for the cheapest.
Only ever had one Jetstar flight cancelled and they booked us on a 
flight only 40mins later than our original flight so it didn't cause us 
any problems, they also gave us a $100 flight voucher each for the 
inconvenience so I'll happily fly Jetstar.


-- 
Daryl

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#27452

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:21:30 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 30/8/2024 7:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:54:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 29/8/2024 6:07 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>>>>         https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>>>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>>>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>>>>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alliance Airlines
>>>>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>>>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>>>>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional
>>>>> routes.
>>>>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>>>>>
>>>> Seems they are all running on fumes,
>>>> Dodgey economics at best
>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>>>>      https://t.ly/mwhxv
>>>> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
>>>> billion in the 2024 financial year.
>>>> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
>>>> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
>>>> and shareholders".
>>>
>>> I read that.
>>> They pissed off a lot of former loyal customers, its not going to be
>>> easy to win those back.
>>>
>>>> What's next?
>>>
>>> Things may get better for Qantas now that the Leprechaun has gone, he
>>> seemed to go out of his way to piss off employees and customers which is
>>> no way to run a business if you want it be around for a long time.
>>>
>> Used to always fly QANTAS till the Leprechaun appeared
>> QANTAS offended me straight away with booking on QANTAS then expected
>> to boar Jetstar.
>> I suspect if Jestar is to remain that is what needs improving
>> IMO best shod of it!
>
>I've never flown Qantas but flown numerous times on Jetstar and never 
>had a problem, on domestic flights I've always gone for the cheapest.
>Only ever had one Jetstar flight cancelled and they booked us on a 
>flight only 40mins later than our original flight so it didn't cause us 
>any problems, they also gave us a $100 flight voucher each for the 
>inconvenience so I'll happily fly Jetstar.
>
Only once flown from Brisbane to Sydney a mate drove up in his car.
For a short trip was OK but no leg room like Qantas provide.
Used to go to NZ often last time 200? and flew Qantas Boeing 737
aircraft internally there different as chalk and cheese to Jetstar.
Also gave better views over NZ the trips were pleasant more leg room,
the Christchurch waiting room took lunch orders, fantastic meals.
enjoyable my wife enjoyed hers also.
Seemed a short exercise though read losing money Leprechaun economics.
NZ is even smaller than OZ/ 
-- 
Petzl 
Good lawyers know the law 
Great lawyers know the judge 

justice is open to all; like the Ritz hotel 
High Court reveals every current judge is a 
member of Qantas’ ‘most exclusive club in Australia’
The High Court has exposed secret members of Qantas’
 exclusive Chairman’s Lounge amid a landmark case over 
the sacking of 1700 workers.

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#27453

On 31/8/2024 9:38 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:21:30 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 30/8/2024 7:03 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:54:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/8/2024 6:07 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>>>>>          https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>>>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>>>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>>>>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>>>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>>>>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>>>>>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>>>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alliance Airlines
>>>>>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>>>>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>>>>>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional
>>>>>> routes.
>>>>>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>>>>>>
>>>>> Seems they are all running on fumes,
>>>>> Dodgey economics at best
>>>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>>>>>       https://t.ly/mwhxv
>>>>> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
>>>>> billion in the 2024 financial year.
>>>>> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
>>>>> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
>>>>> and shareholders".
>>>>
>>>> I read that.
>>>> They pissed off a lot of former loyal customers, its not going to be
>>>> easy to win those back.
>>>>
>>>>> What's next?
>>>>
>>>> Things may get better for Qantas now that the Leprechaun has gone, he
>>>> seemed to go out of his way to piss off employees and customers which is
>>>> no way to run a business if you want it be around for a long time.
>>>>
>>> Used to always fly QANTAS till the Leprechaun appeared
>>> QANTAS offended me straight away with booking on QANTAS then expected
>>> to boar Jetstar.
>>> I suspect if Jestar is to remain that is what needs improving
>>> IMO best shod of it!
>>
>> I've never flown Qantas but flown numerous times on Jetstar and never
>> had a problem, on domestic flights I've always gone for the cheapest.
>> Only ever had one Jetstar flight cancelled and they booked us on a
>> flight only 40mins later than our original flight so it didn't cause us
>> any problems, they also gave us a $100 flight voucher each for the
>> inconvenience so I'll happily fly Jetstar.
>>
> Only once flown from Brisbane to Sydney a mate drove up in his car.
> For a short trip was OK but no leg room like Qantas provide.
> Used to go to NZ often last time 200? and flew Qantas Boeing 737
> aircraft internally there different as chalk and cheese to Jetstar.
> Also gave better views over NZ the trips were pleasant more leg room,
> the Christchurch waiting room took lunch orders, fantastic meals.
> enjoyable my wife enjoyed hers also.
> Seemed a short exercise though read losing money Leprechaun economics.
> NZ is even smaller than OZ/


You get what you pay for and on domestic flights that aren't very long I 
prefer a lower price instead of a few extras, to me its worth putting up 
with a little less leg room and having to buy my own meals to save 
hundreds of $.
We are flying to Bris from Melb return next month and we are flying 
Virgin, I was able to use Velocity points (68,000) so the flights are 
costing just over $100 return for 2.
Parking at $92.00 cost nearly as much as the flights.


-- 
Daryl

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#27458

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 19:03:00 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:54:21 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/8/2024 6:07 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>>>        https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations  
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one  
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they  
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background  
>>>>>> and the
>>>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Alliance Airlines
>>>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>>>
>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>
>>>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one  
>>>>> local
>>>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote  
>>>> regional
>>>> routes.
>>>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized
>>>>
>>> Seems they are all running on fumes,
>>> Dodgey economics at best
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>>>     https://t.ly/mwhxv
>>> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
>>> billion in the 2024 financial year.
>>> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
>>> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
>>> and shareholders".
>>
>> I read that.
>> They pissed off a lot of former loyal customers, its not going to be
>> easy to win those back.
>>
>>> What's next?
>>
>> Things may get better for Qantas now that the Leprechaun has gone, he
>> seemed to go out of his way to piss off employees and customers which is
>> no way to run a business if you want it be around for a long time.
>>
> Used to always fly QANTAS till the Leprechaun appeared
> QANTAS offended me straight away with booking on QANTAS then expected
> to boar Jetstar.
> I suspect if Jestar is to remain that is what needs improving
> IMO best shod of it!

Try that again in english when not completely blotto

Jetstat allows Qantas to fly much more cheaply

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#27457

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 18:07:53 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>>       https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>>
>>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations  
>>>>> with
>>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one  
>>>> ever
>>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and  
>>>> the
>>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>>
>>> Alliance Airlines
>>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>>
>>> Suspect there is money in failing?
>>
>> Unlikely.
>>
>>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>>
>>> I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>>
>> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional
>> routes.
>> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized

> Seems they are all running on fumes,

Nope, Rex was profitable before covid and the 737 insanity

Qantas never was.

> Dodgey economics at best
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/qantas-posts-fall-in-its-post-tax-profit-to-1-25-billion/104271934>
>    https://t.ly/mwhxv
> Qantas has recorded a 28 per cent fall in its post-tax profit to $1.25
> billion in the 2024 financial year.

$1.25B isnt running on fumes.

> Chief executive Vanessa Hudson said the airline's focus this year has
> been getting the "balance right in delivering for customers, employees
> and shareholders".
> What's next?
> Qantas didn't declare a dividend, but it announced an up to $400
> million share buyback.

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#27456

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:18:48 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:

> On 29/8/2024 1:38 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>>       https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>>
>>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>>> August 27, 2024
>>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>>> established LCC standards.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and  
>>> the
>>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>>
>> Alliance Airlines
>> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>
>>  Suspect there is money in failing?
>
> Unlikely.
>
>> There is usually a prospectus director get paid from that, staff get
>> paid from ticket sales, the Aircraft are American rentals.
>>  I doubt if the population of Australia can support more than one local
>> carrier without Government subsidies?
>
> AFAIK Qantas and Virgin aren't subsidized except on some remote regional  
> routes.

Nope, none of them are.

> Possibly some Rex regional routes are subsidized

Nope, only during covid

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#27455

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 13:38:06 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>>
>>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>>      https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>>
>>> Helwing Villamizar
>>> August 27, 2024
>>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>>> established LCC standards.
>>
>>
>> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
>> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever
>> talks about that has been around for a long time.
>> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have
>> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the
>> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.
>> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.
>>
> Alliance Airlines
> <https://www.allianceairlines.com.au/where-we-fly>

> Suspect there is money in failing?

You'd be wrong. Didnt happen with Bonza or Rex

> There is usually a prospectus

Only with publicly listed operations.

> director get paid from that,

Wrong.

> staff get  paid from ticket sales,

Wrong.

> the Aircraft are American rentals.

Wrong again with Alliance, the Embraers are Quantaslink wetleased
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Airlines#Current_fleet

> I doubt if the population of Australia can support morethan one local   
> carrier without Government subsidies?

Its actually 1.5 that the country can support.

Virgin isnt govt subsidised

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#27454

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:18:37 +1000, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote:

> On 29/8/2024 7:25 am, Petzl wrote:
>> https://koalaair.com.au
>>   
>> <https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/koala-airlines-australias-new-lcc-contender>
>>      https://t.ly/sbaFF
>>  Helwing Villamizar
>> August 27, 2024
>> DALLAS — Australia is about to see newcomer Koala Airlines try to
>> “break the mold” and establish itself as a formidable competitor to
>> Qantas (QF) and Virgin Australia (VA).
>> Based in Melbourne, Koala Airlines has plans to launch operations with
>> Boeing 737-8 aircraft.
>> The airline seeks to differentiate itself by creating a niche that
>> complements the existing market landscape without disrupting
>> established LCC standards.
>
>
> Anyone taking bets on how long they will last?
> Interesting that there is another airline in Australia that no one ever  
> talks about that has been around for a long time.
> Alliance Airlines does a lot of FIFO work plus charters plus they have  
> some scheduled flights, they just work quietly in the background and the  
> general population mostly don't know they exist or what they do.

> They mostly fly Fokker aircraft.

That's not correct, they actually fly a couple more Embraer 190s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Airlines#Current_fleet

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