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Fireman

Started byHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
First post2026-07-15 08:18 +0100
Last post2026-07-17 22:51 +0200
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  Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 08:18 +0100
    Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-15 17:37 +1000
    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 07:47 +0000
    Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-15 11:01 +0200
    Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-15 11:07 +0200
      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 10:23 +0100
      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-15 21:50 +0200
        Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 16:13 -0400
          Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:52 +1000
          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-16 07:35 +0200
        Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:09 +0200
    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 10:20 +0100
    Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-15 10:33 +0000
    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:03 -0400
      Re: Fireman HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-15 12:35 +0100
        Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:44 -0400
          Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 12:51 +0100
            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 08:45 -0400
              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-15 21:25 +0100
          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 14:47 +0100
            Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 15:43 +0000
              Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 18:03 +0200
              Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:58 +1000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-16 09:06 +0000
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-16 09:19 +0000
              Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-18 13:05 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:26 +0100
                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:29 +0100
                    Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 17:51 +0200
                  Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-18 19:02 +0100
                  Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:58 +0100
                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 16:34 -0400
                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 22:14 +0100
                        Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:13 -0400
            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:13 -0400
            Man vs woman vs man vs monkey Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:18 +0200
          Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 17:09 +0200
            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-16 23:34 +0200
              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 19:33 -0400
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 09:49 +1000
                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 06:54 +0100
                    Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 09:41 +0100
                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:00 +0100
                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:02 +0100
                          Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 20:47 +1000
                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 13:54 +0100
                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 19:23 +0100
                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 20:35 +0100
                              Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:15 +0000
                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 21:39 +0100
                                  Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:51 +0000
                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:10 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 08:04 +0100
                                        Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-18 17:36 +1000
                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 10:43 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:05 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-18 10:06 +0000
                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:28 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 10:00 +0200
                                        Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:50 +0100
                                          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 08:21 +0200
                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:04 +0000
                              Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 22:17 +0100
                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 06:38 +0100
                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:19 +0000
                                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 13:51 +0000
                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:59 +0000
                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 10:43 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:52 +0000
                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:21 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:27 +0200
                                        Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:01 +0000
                                          Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 21:30 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:22 -0400
                                              Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-21 10:16 +0100
                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 16:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                                                      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 14:12 -0400
                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:29 +0200
                                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 16:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 09:50 +0200
                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:36 +1000
                                                              Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-23 15:02 -0700
                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0100
                                                          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 12:00 +0100
                                                          Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-23 11:58 +0100
                                                            Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 13:02 +0100
                                                              Re: Fireman [OT] Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:24 +1000
                                                                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                                                                  Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:00 +0200
                                                                    Re: Fireman [OT] Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 17:24 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:37 +0200
                                                                    Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 17:42 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman [OT] Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:20 -0400
                                                                        Re: Fireman [OT] Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-24 08:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: Fireman [OT] msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2026-07-24 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman [OT] "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-25 12:29 +0200
                                                              Re: Fireman [OT] Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:30 +0100
                                                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 09:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-23 14:00 +0200
                                                          Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 14:23 +0100
                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                                                              Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 18:33 +0100
                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-24 09:23 +0100
                                                              Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-24 21:37 +0100
                                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 23:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                                                                    Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-28 10:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:03 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 09:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 20:48 +1000
                                                                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
                                                                          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 13:28 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 20:31 +0000
                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 17:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-08 20:42 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 12:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-09 15:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 14:21 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 22:53 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 16:52 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:59 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 09:38 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 10:24 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 16:45 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-10 17:14 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 06:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 12:06 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 13:20 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 09:52 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 09:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 10:47 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-13 11:06 +0530
                                                                          Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-28 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                                                                              Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 16:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 18:55 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 19:49 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 23:27 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 22:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 13:25 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 17:28 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 16:34 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 17:00 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-10 20:15 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 09:13 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-11 09:44 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 10:22 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 17:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 10:32 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 08:51 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 20:26 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 07:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 00:07 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-30 10:13 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-30 09:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:51 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 21:55 +1000
                                                                            Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 18:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
                                                                                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 20:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 21:41 +0000
                                                                              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:02 +0100
                                                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 18:51 -0400
                                                                            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 01:51 +0100
                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:01 +0200
                                                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:25 -0400
                                                                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 14:43 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:35 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:58 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:26 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:24 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-30 22:05 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:33 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-31 08:56 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:56 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:34 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 11:13 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:12 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:00 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-29 22:13 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:47 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 21:07 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:36 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:31 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:41 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:31 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:52 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 03:54 -0300
                                                                                                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 19:58 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:40 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-03 20:51 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 23:10 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:17 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:45 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:22 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:40 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 05:52 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 04:01 -0300
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-01 11:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-03 19:29 +0530
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Brian Boutel <bboutel@me.com> - 2026-07-31 19:09 +1200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:20 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                                                                                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:13 -0700
                                                                                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:08 -0400
                                                                      Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                        Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                                                                          Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 18:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 13:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:20 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 16:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:59 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 11:08 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:36 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 16:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:03 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:35 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:03 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 08:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 09:28 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 22:28 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:01 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 15:00 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 21:13 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 16:22 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 22:52 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-08 20:25 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:12 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-09 21:06 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:17 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 19:26 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 23:54 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 02:11 -0300
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-07 16:56 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-08 09:29 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 00:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 12:47 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-06 17:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:04 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:55 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-05 17:49 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-06 10:20 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-07 06:29 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 10:47 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:29 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:01 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:24 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-09 11:43 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 17:44 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                                                                      Re: Fireman "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:39 +0200
                                                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 21:19 +1000
                                                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:55 +0100
                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                                                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:13 +0000
                                            Sex, gender, biology and related or unrelated terms Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:28 +0200
                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                                    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:14 +0000
                                      Re: Fireman "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0000
                                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:42 +0100
                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:25 -0400
                                            Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:54 -0400
                                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 14:38 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 09:19 -0400
                                                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 11:30 -0400
                                                  Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:03 +0200
                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 19:59 -0400
                                                      Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:39 +0000
                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:12 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-20 13:08 +0000
                                      Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-20 22:11 +0100
                              Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-18 22:40 +0100
                                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-22 00:03 -0700
                                  Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                                    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 09:51 +0000
                                      Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:22 -0400
                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 13:08 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 12:15 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0100
                                  Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:11 -0400
                        Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
                      Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
                    Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
                      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
                      Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                      Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                          Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                            Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
                                    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
                              Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 11:49 +1000
                              School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:46 +0200
                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:58 +0100
                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                            Re: Fireman JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-08-04 09:45 +0100
                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:20 +0100
              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-17 20:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:36 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-17 22:51 +0200

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#1147025

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
Message-ID<9ghk5l9crv49dvsf5l6mutqghic7t35im7@4ax.com>
In reply to#1147017
On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 11:00:15 +0100, Hibou 

>Medical anomalies apart - XYY chromosomes etc. - I think biological sex 
>is binary. Mental gender, on the other hand, is a spectrum, ranging from 
>very male through neuter to very female. It would be helpful if we used 
>the words 'sex' and 'gender' for these two somewhat independent things.

Iy might also help to avoid confusion if one reserved "male" and
"female" for sex, and "mascultine"{, "feminine" and possibly other
descriptive terms for gender. 

It would then be clearer if one spoke of masculine or feminine males
rather than male or female males. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#1147020

Fromram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Date2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
Message-ID<fireman-20260717122152@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
In reply to#1147015
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote or quoted:
>In fact 'sex' is made up of many components, some binary and some
>non-binary, and is an analogue quantity.  Society has chosen to digitise
>it by saying there are only two sexes; while this many be helpful for
>teaching four-year-olds, it becomes a mark of ignorance if it is carried
>into adulthood.  

  Well this digitization was the epitome of traditional etiquette!
  Honorifics like "Sir" or "Ma'am" were used to show respect based on
  observed sex. Acknowledging someone's gender instantly was seen as a
  sign of attentiveness and social competence. Historically, asking
  someone how they wished to be "read" would imply their appearance
  was ambiguous, confusing, or unconventional. In past eras, this was
  frequently interpreted as an insult to their presentation or dignity.

  In the same times, doctors /did/ use more elaborate classification
  schemes all along, such as CID 7455 including eleven possibilities,

"Male",
"Female",
"Hermaphrodite",
"Male Pseudohermaphrodite",
"Female Pseudohermaphrodite",
"Male changed to Female",
"Female changed to Male",
"Unknown sex",
"Ambiguous sex",
"Other sex", and
"Undetermined sex".

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#1147024

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
Message-ID<1rydx9j.197wq3ik57a1kN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147008
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 23:34:41 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
> 
> >> > Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
> >> > firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
> >> > female.  
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> By that reasoning, 0% of women are 'men'. Yet we call them women. Bring
> >> back the bra-less 'wimin'.  </smile>
> >
> >"'People who menstruate.' I'm sure there used to be a word for those
> >people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"
> >(J.K. Rowling)
> >
> 
> I'm sure Ms Rowling understood that the people who age out of the
> menstruating group are still "women".

Of course she understands. She is quite activistic on the subject, 
and generates lots of controversy.
There is a large wikiparticle on just her political views
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_J._K._Rowling>

But despite calls for a boycott her books remain bestsellers,
(and Robert Galbraith idem)

Jan

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#1147026

FromTony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
Message-ID<g6ik5l577mp9nimeb07np6id0u9a58qcgc@4ax.com>
In reply to#1147024
On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 15:46:22 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 23:34:41 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> Lodder) wrote:
>> 
>> >> > Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
>> >> > firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
>> >> > female.  
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> By that reasoning, 0% of women are 'men'. Yet we call them women. Bring
>> >> back the bra-less 'wimin'.  </smile>
>> >
>> >"'People who menstruate.' I'm sure there used to be a word for those
>> >people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"
>> >(J.K. Rowling)
>> >
>> 
>> I'm sure Ms Rowling understood that the people who age out of the
>> menstruating group are still "women".
>
>Of course she understands. She is quite activistic on the subject, 
>and generates lots of controversy.

Thank you for pointing that out.

>There is a large wikiparticle on just her political views

There are also Wikipedia articles on "sarcasm".  

>But despite calls for a boycott her books remain bestsellers,
>(and Robert Galbraith idem)

I have not read any of the Harry Potter books or watched any of the
films based on them.  Not because I have any objections to Ms
Rowling's political views, but because the genre doesn't interest me.

Nor have I read any of her books written as Robert Galbraith.  Not
because of anything other than other books have caught my attention
and interest.

I have watched a TV show based one of them: "Strike".

The fact that some group urges people to boycott an author would not
affect my reading interest either positively or negatively.

I think that a boycott effort can prompt more interest in something
because it exposes people to someone or something they hadn't been
aware of before.  In fact, a boycott movement could produce more
interest than a movement to promote the author.




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#1147035

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
Message-ID<1ryer5k.1dxjcz01bersjpN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147026
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 15:46:22 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
> 
> >Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 23:34:41 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> >> Lodder) wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> > Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
> >> >> > firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
> >> >> > female.  
> >> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> By that reasoning, 0% of women are 'men'. Yet we call them women. Bring
> >> >> back the bra-less 'wimin'.  </smile>
> >> >
> >> >"'People who menstruate.' I'm sure there used to be a word for those
> >> >people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"
> >> >(J.K. Rowling)
> >> >
> >> 
> >> I'm sure Ms Rowling understood that the people who age out of the
> >> menstruating group are still "women".
> >
> >Of course she understands. She is quite activistic on the subject, 
> >and generates lots of controversy.
> 
> Thank you for pointing that out.
> 
> >There is a large wikiparticle on just her political views
> 
> There are also Wikipedia articles on "sarcasm".  
> 
> >But despite calls for a boycott her books remain bestsellers,
> >(and Robert Galbraith idem)
> 
> I have not read any of the Harry Potter books or watched any of the
> films based on them.  Not because I have any objections to Ms
> Rowling's political views, but because the genre doesn't interest me.
> 
> Nor have I read any of her books written as Robert Galbraith.  Not
> because of anything other than other books have caught my attention
> and interest.
> 
> I have watched a TV show based one of them: "Strike".

'Strike' is a series based on the books,
with a variable number of episodes/book.
(19 episodes so far, in 6 series, based on the first 6 books)
Book 7 is in preparation.

As for the paper books, #9 is being written,
date of appearance unknown as yet. (possibly early fall)
The title will be: Sleep Tight, Evangeline
Book #10 is planned to be the last.

The TV episodes have a distinct character of their own,
and have been compared to 'Morse' for atmosphere.
Rowling is one of the executive producers.

> The fact that some group urges people to boycott an author would not
> affect my reading interest either positively or negatively.
> 
> I think that a boycott effort can prompt more interest in something
> because it exposes people to someone or something they hadn't been
> aware of before.  In fact, a boycott movement could produce more
> interest than a movement to promote the author.

The episodes still draw ~5 million viewers on BBC,
which is a lot, by British standards,

Jan
(not seen any)


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#1147050

FromTony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
Message-ID<a8bl5lhf54datf6n2jbb4s5diog4bj1pib@4ax.com>
In reply to#1147035
On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 21:29:10 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 15:46:22 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> Lodder) wrote:
>> 
>> >Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 23:34:41 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> >> Lodder) wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >> > Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
>> >> >> > firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
>> >> >> > female.  
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> By that reasoning, 0% of women are 'men'. Yet we call them women. Bring
>> >> >> back the bra-less 'wimin'.  </smile>
>> >> >
>> >> >"'People who menstruate.' I'm sure there used to be a word for those
>> >> >people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"
>> >> >(J.K. Rowling)
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> I'm sure Ms Rowling understood that the people who age out of the
>> >> menstruating group are still "women".
>> >
>> >Of course she understands. She is quite activistic on the subject, 
>> >and generates lots of controversy.
>> 
>> Thank you for pointing that out.
>> 
>> >There is a large wikiparticle on just her political views
>> 
>> There are also Wikipedia articles on "sarcasm".  
>> 
>> >But despite calls for a boycott her books remain bestsellers,
>> >(and Robert Galbraith idem)
>> 
>> I have not read any of the Harry Potter books or watched any of the
>> films based on them.  Not because I have any objections to Ms
>> Rowling's political views, but because the genre doesn't interest me.
>> 
>> Nor have I read any of her books written as Robert Galbraith.  Not
>> because of anything other than other books have caught my attention
>> and interest.
>> 
>> I have watched a TV show based one of them: "Strike".
>
>'Strike' is a series based on the books,
>with a variable number of episodes/book.
>(19 episodes so far, in 6 series, based on the first 6 books)
>Book 7 is in preparation.
>
Yes, I know.  I've watched quite a few episodes but I haven't counted.

>The episodes still draw ~5 million viewers on BBC,
>which is a lot, by British standards,
>
They're currently available on HBO Max and other sources in the US.

 

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#1147111

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Message-ID<1ryft3d.lfx7f814j6ofkN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147050
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 21:29:10 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
> 
> >Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 17 Jul 2026 15:46:22 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> >> Lodder) wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 23:34:41 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> >> >> Lodder) wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >> > Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
> >> >> >> > firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
> >> >> >> > female.  
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> By that reasoning, 0% of women are 'men'. Yet we call them women.
> >> >> >> Bring back the bra-less 'wimin'.  </smile>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"'People who menstruate.' I'm sure there used to be a word for those
> >> >> >people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"
> >> >> >(J.K. Rowling)
> >> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> I'm sure Ms Rowling understood that the people who age out of the
> >> >> menstruating group are still "women".
> >> >
> >> >Of course she understands. She is quite activistic on the subject,
> >> >and generates lots of controversy.
> >> 
> >> Thank you for pointing that out.
> >> 
> >> >There is a large wikiparticle on just her political views
> >> 
> >> There are also Wikipedia articles on "sarcasm".  
> >> 
> >> >But despite calls for a boycott her books remain bestsellers,
> >> >(and Robert Galbraith idem)
> >> 
> >> I have not read any of the Harry Potter books or watched any of the
> >> films based on them.  Not because I have any objections to Ms
> >> Rowling's political views, but because the genre doesn't interest me.
> >> 
> >> Nor have I read any of her books written as Robert Galbraith.  Not
> >> because of anything other than other books have caught my attention
> >> and interest.
> >> 
> >> I have watched a TV show based one of them: "Strike".
> >
> >'Strike' is a series based on the books,
> >with a variable number of episodes/book.
> >(19 episodes so far, in 6 series, based on the first 6 books)
> >Book 7 is in preparation.
> >
> Yes, I know.  I've watched quite a few episodes but I haven't counted.
> 
> >The episodes still draw ~5 million viewers on BBC,
> >which is a lot, by British standards,
> >
> They're currently available on HBO Max and other sources in the US.

HBO Max is available in Europe as well, at ~6 euro/month.
BTW, Rowling is in the habit of throwing clues around on X.
One of the new clues looks like an aligator.
(blunt snout, not a croc)

They may come near to you,

Jan
(or she may be misleading again)


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#1147191

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
Message-ID<nc5pq7Fs3p4U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1147026
Le 17/07/2026 à 16:44, Tony Cooper a écrit :
> 
> I have not read any of the Harry Potter books or watched any of the
> films based on them.  Not because I have any objections to Ms
> Rowling's political views, but because the genre doesn't interest me. [...]


I read the first four in French as stepping stones in learning, and I 
have two of them as audio books (superbly read by Bernard Giraudeau), 
which I listened to as I read. The adult learner has a problem. Most 
material of intermediate difficulty is for young children and 
uninteresting to adults, and these were much better.

The essential idea, marrying sorcery with the public-school tale, is one 
of those clever and obvious ones of which one asks: why did no-one think 
of that before? The incidents and devices I found sometimes a bit silly 
(a train's worth of kids running at the barrier at Kings Cross without 
attracting attention?), sometimes pleasing (la Carte du Maraudeur, for 
instance, whatever that is in English… - just don't ask about the physics).

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#1147192

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
Message-ID<113kjm6$10vi3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1147191
On 20/07/26 15:25, Hibou wrote:

> The incidents and devices I found sometimes a bit silly (a train's worth
> of kids running at the barrier at Kings Cross without attracting
> attention?), sometimes pleasing (la Carte du Maraudeur, for instance,
> whatever that is in English… - just don't ask about the physics).

The Marauder's Map, if I remember correctly.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1147265

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
Message-ID<nc8f5uFa7bgU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1147192
Le 20/07/2026 à 08:45, Peter Moylan a écrit :
> On 20/07/26 15:25, Hibou wrote:
>>
>> The incidents and devices I found sometimes a bit silly (a train's worth
>> of kids running at the barrier at Kings Cross without attracting
>> attention?), sometimes pleasing (la Carte du Maraudeur, for instance,
>> whatever that is in English… - just don't ask about the physics).
> 
> The Marauder's Map, if I remember correctly.


Thanks. Translators do a good job (and some translations leave me moved).

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#1147291

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
Message-ID<1rylhsp.1p84w56w5o9fcN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147191
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 17/07/2026 à 16:44, Tony Cooper a écrit :
> > 
> > I have not read any of the Harry Potter books or watched any of the
> > films based on them.  Not because I have any objections to Ms
> > Rowling's political views, but because the genre doesn't interest me. [...]
> 
> 
> I read the first four in French as stepping stones in learning, and I
> have two of them as audio books (superbly read by Bernard Giraudeau),
> which I listened to as I read. The adult learner has a problem. Most 
> material of intermediate difficulty is for young children and 
> uninteresting to adults, and these were much better.
> 
> The essential idea, marrying sorcery with the public-school tale, is one
> of those clever and obvious ones of which one asks: why did no-one think
> of that before?

Because everyone had gotten too bored with Enid Blyton?

Jan

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#1147333

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
Message-ID<ncb3rmFnigrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1147291
Le 21/07/2026 à 12:56, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> The essential idea, marrying sorcery with the public-school tale, is one
>> of those clever and obvious ones of which one asks: why did no-one think
>> of that before?
> 
> Because everyone had gotten too bored with Enid Blyton?


Public-school stories were popular. Billy Bunter was never my thing, but 
I had a volume of Jennings stories that I remember fondly, and I recall 
reading others, though the names of the characters escape me.

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#1147399

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
Message-ID<1ryo18v.1uiec681wq3cshN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147333
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 21/07/2026 à 12:56, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> > Hibou wrote:
> >>
> >> The essential idea, marrying sorcery with the public-school tale, is one
> >> of those clever and obvious ones of which one asks: why did no-one think
> >> of that before?
> > 
> > Because everyone had gotten too bored with Enid Blyton?
> 
> 
> Public-school stories were popular. Billy Bunter was never my thing, but
> I had a volume of Jennings stories that I remember fondly, and I recall
> reading others, though the names of the characters escape me.

It may surprise you, but Billy Bunter (translated as Billie Turf)
was hugely popular in the Netherlands and Belgium in comic format.
There are even three Belgian movies featuring him. (~1980)

This despite the fact that the whole Greyfriars universe
was completely foreign to late 20th century Dutch/Belgian kiddies.

But I was thinking of Enid Blyton in particular as boring,

Jan

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#1147409

Fromrichard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
Date2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
Message-ID<113rlok$1luea$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>
In reply to#1147399
In article <1ryo18v.1uiec681wq3cshN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

>This despite the fact that the whole Greyfriars universe
>was completely foreign to late 20th century Dutch/Belgian kiddies.

British ones too.

-- Richard

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#1147435

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Message-ID<1ryp2kc.1yx91l526ubwlN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147409
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ryo18v.1uiec681wq3cshN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> 
> >This despite the fact that the whole Greyfriars universe
> >was completely foreign to late 20th century Dutch/Belgian kiddies.
> 
> British ones too.

Very much less so.
There were for example huge demonstrations in London
as late as the seventies against corporal punishments in schools,

Jan

-- 
"NO TO THE CANE!"
<https://www.alamy.com/may-05-1972-schoolchildren-on-a-one-day-strike-take-part-in-protest-image69467175.html>

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#1147441

Fromrichard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
Date2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
Message-ID<113smi3$1mr94$1@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>
In reply to#1147435
In article <1ryp2kc.1yx91l526ubwlN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

>> >This despite the fact that the whole Greyfriars universe
>> >was completely foreign to late 20th century Dutch/Belgian kiddies.

>> British ones too.

>Very much less so.

The characteristic thing about all these school stories is that they
take place in boarding schools, which must be a very different life
from that experienced by 99% of children.

-- Richard

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#1147452

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
Message-ID<1ryp6s5.sgo34j1r92ul7N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1147441
Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> In article <1ryp2kc.1yx91l526ubwlN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>,
> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> 
> >> >This despite the fact that the whole Greyfriars universe
> >> >was completely foreign to late 20th century Dutch/Belgian kiddies.
> 
> >> British ones too.
> 
> >Very much less so.
> 
> The characteristic thing about all these school stories is that they
> take place in boarding schools, which must be a very different life
> from that experienced by 99% of children.

Indeed, but that one percent was very important for the upkeep
of the British class system. (perhaps still is)
So a much larger percentage for the upper classes.
As for different worlds: 'kostscholen' are rare indeed,
for special cases such parents in the shipping business.

Wikipedia (dutch) even says that the word primarily occurs
in translations of English literature.

But I wasn't commenting on those aspects in particular.
I think it is a nice example of how flexible children are.
They easily pick up entirely different universes,
where the rules of life are quite different,
and easily learn to pick up those different rules,
and the different forms of humour that apply,

Jan



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#1147463

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
Message-ID<nceqp4Fb5e9U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1147441
Le 23/07/2026 à 10:23, Richard Tobin a écrit :
> 
> The characteristic thing about all these school stories is that they
> take place in boarding schools, which must be a very different life
> from that experienced by 99% of children.


It seems that most boarding schools also accept day pupils, so the 
boarders aren't as isolated as they are at, say, Hogwarts. They're still 
remote from their families, of course.

<https://www.schoolsmith.co.uk/boarding-schools/>

I think the secondary school I attended was unusual. It was a country 
comprehensive with about 600 pupils, but had a boarding element 
inherited from the previous grammar school. The boarders were mostly 
Services children. They were beneficial because they swelled the numbers 
in the Sixth Form and enabled a greater range of A-Level courses than 
one might expect in such a small school.

I see the boarding houses (boys' and girls') closed some years ago.

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#1147465

Fromathel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
Message-ID<1784823631-12588@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#1147463
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:

> Le 23/07/2026 à 10:23, Richard Tobin a écrit :
> > 
> > The characteristic thing about all these school stories is that they
> > take place in boarding schools, which must be a very different life
> > from that experienced by 99% of children.
> 
> 
> It seems that most boarding schools also accept day pupils, so the 
> boarders aren't as isolated as they are at, say, Hogwarts. They're still 
> remote from their families, of course.
> 
> <https://www.schoolsmith.co.uk/boarding-schools/>
> 
> I think the secondary school I attended was unusual. It was a country 
> comprehensive with about 600 pupils, but had a boarding element 
> inherited from the previous grammar school. The boarders were mostly 
> Services children. They were beneficial because they swelled the numbers 
> in the Sixth Form and enabled a greater range of A-Level courses than 
> one might expect in such a small school.
> 
My school had dayboys when I was there in the 1950, but not all that many of
them. I have the impression (not confirmed) that today they are much more
numerous. As for girls, there were none in the 1950s or the preceding 400 
years, but they are much in evidence today.

> I see the boarding houses (boys' and girls') closed some years ago.
> 


-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1147443

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
Message-ID<113sr5l$3oe2s$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1147409
On 23/07/26 10:03, Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article <1ryo18v.1uiec681wq3cshN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>, J. J.
> Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>
>> This despite the fact that the whole Greyfriars universe was
>> completely foreign to late 20th century Dutch/Belgian kiddies.
>
> British ones too.

I was naturally confused by "the Remove". The evidence suggested that it
was a separate section of the school where troublemakers could be
isolated from the other pupils.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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