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Re: Fireman

From ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Fireman
Date 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
Organization Stefan Ram
Message-ID <fireman-20260717122152@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <1ryb6hu.xn53v31qjmmneN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <ecqi5ltusuhqb70sl9stuvlq2ouvca45iq@4ax.com> <113bqm1$2cknj$1@dont-email.me> <nbtuc5Fl84vU1@mid.individual.net> <1rydyxv.1ejkrvxcjjlyqN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>

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liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote or quoted:
>In fact 'sex' is made up of many components, some binary and some
>non-binary, and is an analogue quantity.  Society has chosen to digitise
>it by saying there are only two sexes; while this many be helpful for
>teaching four-year-olds, it becomes a mark of ignorance if it is carried
>into adulthood.  

  Well this digitization was the epitome of traditional etiquette!
  Honorifics like "Sir" or "Ma'am" were used to show respect based on
  observed sex. Acknowledging someone's gender instantly was seen as a
  sign of attentiveness and social competence. Historically, asking
  someone how they wished to be "read" would imply their appearance
  was ambiguous, confusing, or unconventional. In past eras, this was
  frequently interpreted as an insult to their presentation or dignity.

  In the same times, doctors /did/ use more elaborate classification
  schemes all along, such as CID 7455 including eleven possibilities,

"Male",
"Female",
"Hermaphrodite",
"Male Pseudohermaphrodite",
"Female Pseudohermaphrodite",
"Male changed to Female",
"Female changed to Male",
"Unknown sex",
"Ambiguous sex",
"Other sex", and
"Undetermined sex".

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  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-15 11:01 +0200
  Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-15 11:07 +0200
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      Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:09 +0200
  Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 10:20 +0100
  Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-15 10:33 +0000
  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:03 -0400
    Re: Fireman HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-15 12:35 +0100
      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:44 -0400
        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 12:51 +0100
          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 08:45 -0400
            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-15 21:25 +0100
        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 14:47 +0100
          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 15:43 +0000
            Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 18:03 +0200
            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:58 +1000
              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-16 09:06 +0000
              Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-16 09:19 +0000
            Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-18 13:05 +0200
              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 17:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-18 19:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 16:34 -0400
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 22:14 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:13 -0400
          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:13 -0400
          Man vs woman vs man vs monkey Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:18 +0200
        Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 17:09 +0200
          Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-16 23:34 +0200
            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 19:33 -0400
              Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 09:49 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 06:54 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 09:41 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 10:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 20:47 +1000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 13:54 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 19:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 20:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:15 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 21:39 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:10 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 08:04 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-18 17:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 10:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-18 10:06 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:28 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 10:00 +0200
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 08:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:04 +0000
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 22:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 06:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:19 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 13:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:59 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 10:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:52 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:27 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 21:30 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-21 10:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:15 -0400
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 14:12 -0400
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 16:44 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 09:50 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-23 15:02 -0700
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:10 +0000
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 12:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-23 11:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 13:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:24 +1000
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:00 +0200
                Re: Fireman [OT] Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 17:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:37 +0200
                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 17:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman [OT] Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:20 -0400
                Re: Fireman [OT] Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-24 08:15 +0000
                Re: Fireman [OT] msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2026-07-24 18:14 +0000
                Re: Fireman [OT] "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-25 12:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman [OT] Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:30 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 09:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-23 14:00 +0200
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 14:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 18:33 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-24 09:23 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-24 21:37 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 23:04 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-28 10:22 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:33 +0000
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 09:14 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 20:48 +1000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 13:28 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 20:31 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 17:25 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:46 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-08 20:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 12:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-09 15:04 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 14:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 22:53 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 16:52 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:59 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 09:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 10:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-10 11:02 +0000
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 16:45 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-10 17:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 06:52 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 12:06 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 13:20 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 09:52 +1000
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 09:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 10:47 +0200
                Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-13 11:06 +0530
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-28 18:27 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 16:02 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 19:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 19:49 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-09 20:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 23:27 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 22:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 13:25 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 17:28 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 16:34 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 17:00 +0000
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-10 20:15 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 20:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 09:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-11 09:44 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 10:22 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 17:50 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 10:32 +1000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 08:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 20:26 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 07:13 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 00:07 +0100
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-30 10:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-30 09:48 +0000
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 21:55 +1000
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 18:17 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 20:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 21:41 +0000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:02 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 18:51 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 01:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 14:43 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 15:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:58 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-30 22:05 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:33 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-31 08:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:34 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 11:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:12 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:00 +0100
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-29 22:13 +0000
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:47 -0700
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 21:07 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:36 +1000
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:41 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:31 -0400
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:52 +0100
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 03:54 -0300
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 19:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-03 20:51 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 23:10 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:45 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:22 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:40 +0200
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 05:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 04:01 -0300
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-01 11:24 +0200
                Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-03 19:29 +0530
                Re: Fireman Brian Boutel <bboutel@me.com> - 2026-07-31 19:09 +1200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:20 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:13 -0700
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 18:27 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 13:21 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:20 -0400
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 16:37 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 11:08 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:36 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 16:46 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:35 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 08:07 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 09:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 22:28 +1000
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:01 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:21 +0000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 15:00 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 16:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 22:52 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-08 20:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-09 21:06 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:17 -0400
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 19:26 +0200
                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 02:11 -0300
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-07 16:56 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-08 09:29 +1000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 00:40 -0400
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 12:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-06 17:30 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:04 +0100
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:55 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-06 10:20 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-07 06:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 10:47 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:29 +0100
                Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:24 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-09 11:43 +1000
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0000
                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 17:44 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                Re: Fireman "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:39 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:16 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 21:19 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:55 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:13 +0000
                Sex, gender, biology and related or unrelated terms Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:14 +0000
                Re: Fireman "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:25 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:54 -0400
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 14:38 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 09:19 -0400
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:01 +0000
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 11:30 -0400
                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:03 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:39 +0000
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-20 13:08 +0000
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-20 22:11 +0100
                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-18 22:40 +0100
                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-22 00:03 -0700
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 09:51 +0000
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:22 -0400
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 13:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 12:15 +0100
                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0100
                Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:11 -0400
                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
                Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 11:49 +1000
                School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:46 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:58 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                Re: Fireman JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-08-04 09:45 +0100
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:20 +0100
            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-17 20:08 +0100
              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:36 +0200
              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-17 22:51 +0200

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