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  Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Jack Campin <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-24 19:53 +0000
    Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2345@gmail.com> - 2015-12-24 12:54 -0800
    Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-25 11:36 +1100
      Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-24 22:29 -0700
        Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-25 06:41 -0800
          Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2015-12-25 16:50 -0800
            Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-25 19:03 -0800
          Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2016-01-04 10:51 +0000
            Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-04 04:24 -0800
    Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-12-25 05:56 +0000
    Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2015-12-24 22:43 -0800
      Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Jack Campin <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-25 11:38 +0000
      Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-25 14:16 +0000
        Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-28 10:30 +0100
      Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-28 10:19 +0100
    Re: Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-25 14:02 +0000

#576895 — Last Christmas I Gev You My Heart

Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
tense form?

I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
either. 

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#576903

On Thursday, 24 December 2015 19:53:30 UTC, Jack Campin  wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
> 
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either.
   
Are you listening to The Wham original?
Normal County dialect of English.
   

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#576915

On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
> 
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either. 

Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
to me yestady".

-- 
Peter Moylan                           http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

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#576934

On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>
> Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> to me yestady".

In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r

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#576987

On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
> On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> >> tense form?
> >
> > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> > to me yestady".
> 
> In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r

? What's "Ebonics"?

Are you maybe thinking of the lyric "My mama done tole me"? That suggests 
that in such a dialect it would be "done gave."

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#577101

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 3:41:29 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
> > On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> > >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> > >> tense form?
> > >
> > > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> > > to me yestady".
> > 
> > In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r
> 
> ? What's "Ebonics"?
> 
> Are you maybe thinking of the lyric "My mama done tole me"? That suggests 
> that in such a dialect it would be "done gave."

...unless it's "done give":

In Mobile, they done give me the keys to the city... (Winston Groom,
Forrest Gump)

When she took the cloth off the loom, she done give me the "thrums".
(Betty Cofer, North Carolina Ex-Slave Narratives)

...she done give him de larst drap in de cup. (Maria Blunt, "Marse
Archies Fight", Scribner's Magazine, 1887)

(Not that this discussion is likely to get far unless there's some
agreement on what variety we're talking about.)

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#577115

On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 7:51:03 PM UTC-5, Ross wrote:
> On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 3:41:29 AM UTC+13, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
> > > On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> > > >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> > > >> tense form?
> > > >
> > > > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> > > > to me yestady".
> > > 
> > > In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r
> > 
> > ? What's "Ebonics"?
> > 
> > Are you maybe thinking of the lyric "My mama done tole me"? That suggests 
> > that in such a dialect it would be "done gave."
> 
> ...unless it's "done give":
> 
> In Mobile, they done give me the keys to the city... (Winston Groom,
> Forrest Gump)
> 
> When she took the cloth off the loom, she done give me the "thrums".
> (Betty Cofer, North Carolina Ex-Slave Narratives)
> 
> ...she done give him de larst drap in de cup. (Maria Blunt, "Marse
> Archies Fight", Scribner's Magazine, 1887)
> 
> (Not that this discussion is likely to get far unless there's some
> agreement on what variety we're talking about.)

Hence my query above.

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#579048

On 2015-12-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
>> On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:
>> >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> >> tense form?
>> >
>> > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
>> > to me yestady".
>> 
>> In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r
>
> ? What's "Ebonics"?

One of the stupidest well-intended names in C.20 education?


-- 
But the government always tries to coax well-known writers into the
Establishment; it makes them feel educated.       --- Robert Graves

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#579074

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-5, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2015-12-25, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote:
> >> On 12/24/2015 5:36 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> > On 2015-Dec-25 06:53, Jack Campin wrote:

> >> >> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> >> >> tense form?
> >> > Where I grew up, the past tense of "give" is "give", as in "He give it
> >> > to me yestady". 
> >> In Ebonics, the past tense of "give" is "done give"....r
> > ? What's "Ebonics"?
> 
> One of the stupidest well-intended names in C.20 education?

That too, but what's its referent in this particular discussion?

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#576935

In article <bogus-428DB7.19532724122015@four.schnuerpel.eu>,
Jack Campin  <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>tense form?

No, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of accents where <gave>
/geIv/ ends up sounding like [gEv].  Unrounded front vowels either
way, just a downward shift that's well-enough attested in other
circumstances.

>I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>either. 

Better revoke George's poetic license then.

Other than being lengthened to fit the context I don't think there's
anything remarkable about this pronunciation.  [spESl] is my
pronunciation but ['spE,SVl] is scarcely noticeable.

-GAWollman

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Garrett A. Wollman    | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wollman@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers.         | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993

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#576936

On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
> 
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either. 
> 

Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
in it? 

Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

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#576956

>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>> either.
> Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
> in it?
> Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

It's pronounced in a pretty odd way, much softer and longer
than I've heard in any other context.

Whether the singer ever uses that sound in normal speech I have
no idea.

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#576981

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:43:59 -0800 (PST), Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:

>On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>> 
>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>> either. 
>> 
>
>Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
>in it? 

I think I've heard it in a very "upmarket" RP as approximately
"spess-ee-ul".

>
>Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?

-- 
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

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#577596

On 2015-12-25 14:16:05 +0000, Peter Duncanson [BrE] said:

> On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:43:59 -0800 (PST), Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
>>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>>> tense form?
>>> 
>>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>>> either.
>>> 
>> 
>> Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
>> in it?
> 
> I think I've heard it in a very "upmarket" RP as approximately
> "spess-ee-ul".

Not quite the same as the pronunciation I was suggesting, but similar, 
especially if you take your "ee" to be reduced the point of being [j]. 
I'm not sure I'd call it upmarket RP, though, more wannabe upmarket RP. 
The sort of pronunciation Mrs Thatcher or Edward Heath might have used 
after speech therapy intended to eradicate their natural ways of 
speaking. Edward Heath's boat was called "Morning Cloud", for which he 
pronounced "Cloud" in a way Private Eye represented (if memory serves) 
as "Cleoud" -- something like [kljaʊ̯d].

-- 
athel

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#577593

On 2015-12-25 06:43:59 +0000, Ross said:

> On Friday, December 25, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM UTC+13, Jack Campin wrote:
>> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
>> tense form?
>> 
>> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
>> either.
>> 
> 
> Is there a dialect of English in which "special" does not have a "sh"
> in it?

Maybe not, but I've heard individual (native) speakers who say ['spesjəl].
> 
> Or are you just saying you don't like (whoever's) singing style?


-- 
athel

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#576978

On 24/12/2015 19:53, Jack Campin wrote:
> Is there any dialect of English where "give" has "gev" as a past
> tense form?
>
> I don't think I've heard "special" as "spessshhhul" anywhere else
> either.

You've never been in a Glasgow pub?

-- 
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

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