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  "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-22 14:04 +0100
    Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? "HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> - 2026-06-22 16:28 +0000
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? "HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> - 2026-06-30 23:53 +0000
    Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-06-23 09:44 +1200
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-23 09:35 +1000
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-23 06:58 +0100
        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-23 08:59 +0200
          Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-23 08:27 +0100
            Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-23 10:24 +0200
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-26 07:22 +0100
                Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-26 07:34 +0000
                  Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-26 15:52 +0200
                    Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-26 14:59 +0000
                      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:29 -0400
                        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-27 08:26 +0200
                          Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-06-27 08:09 +0100
                    Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-27 14:23 +0200
                      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-27 14:31 +0200
                        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-27 18:04 +0200
                          Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-28 09:39 +0200
                            Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 13:07 +0200
        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-23 09:52 +0200
          Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-23 20:21 +1000
        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-06-23 12:43 -0400
        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-24 14:54 +0100
          Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-24 14:34 +0000
            Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-24 16:22 +0100
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-24 15:46 +0000
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-25 09:15 +1000
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-26 09:29 +0200
                Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-26 12:52 +0200
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-23 08:59 +0200
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-23 20:08 +1000
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-23 23:02 +0100
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-24 14:48 +0100
        Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-24 23:29 +0100
          Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-25 06:26 +0100
            Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 01:50 -0700
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-06-25 22:55 +1200
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-25 16:04 +0100
                Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-26 09:43 +1000
                  Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-26 07:18 +0100
                Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-26 13:35 +0000
                  Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-26 16:37 +0100
              Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-26 15:02 +0100
                Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 13:41 -0700
      Re: "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-25 09:44 +0200

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#1145664 — "Joan of Arc" brand of canned beans, why?

From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:

   I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
   shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
   stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.

I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.

<https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>

It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods


-- 
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the
freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.        ---Abbie Hoffman

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#1145670

Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
> 
>    I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
>    shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
>    stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
> 
> I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
> was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
> 
> <https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
> 
> It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
> it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
> the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
> 
> 
> -- 
> You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the
> freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.        ---Abbie Hoffman



(Why did nobody respond ?)  ---        nice Ling puzzle!


1.    The Apostrophe Mistake --- is interesting,  like Apron, Umpire....


2.    her original surname was Darc,   which reminds me of porn-star(s)
with the surname Dark.





The Joan of Arc canned bean brand takes its name directly from the
famous 15th-century French heroine and Catholic saint, [Jeanne d'Arc]().
[1, 2, 3, 4] 


## Brand Origins

* The Cannery:    The brand originated in 1895 under the Illinois
Canning Company located in Hoopeston, Illinois. [5, 6, 7] 

* The Concept:     During the late 19th century, American companies
frequently named products after heroic, romanticized, or well-known
historical figures to imply strength, purity, and premium quality. The
company formally incorporated the Joan of Arc name in 1877 for its
general canning lines and later launched its successful national line of
red kidney beans and sweet corn under the label. [5, 7, 8, 9] 

* The Modern Hook: Today, the brand is owned by [B&G Foods]

(https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/). Marketing materials
heavily lean into the name by describing the legumes as "valiant"
kitchen sidekicks that "save the day" or "transform a meal." [10, 11] 



## Origin of the Historical Figure's Name


While the bean brand was named after the saint, the historical name Joan
of Arc itself is actually an Anglicized translation error: [12, 13, 14,
15] 

* Jehanne Darc:      In 15th-century France, she was known as Jehanne
(or Jeannette), and her father’s surname was written as Darc (or
Tarc). [1, 2, 16] 

* The Apostrophe Mistake: Centuries later, French historians mistakenly
assumed Darc meant "from Arc" and added an apostrophe to make it d'Arc.
Joan was actually born in Domrémy, not a place called Arc. [2, 13, 16] 

* The English Translation: English writers translated Jehanne to Joan
and kept the literal translation of d'Arc as of Arc. During her actual
lifetime, she simply called herself Jehanne la Pucelle ("Joan the
Maid"). [2, 12, 13, 16] 

If you are looking for specific information, would you like to know more
about the history of the Hoopeston, Illinois cannery, or are you looking
for recipes using these specific beans? [5, 7, 17] 

[1]
[https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
[2]
[https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc)
[3]
[https://en.wiktionary.org](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
[4]
[https://www.gettyimages.com](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/joan-of-arc-1412-1431-aka-jeanne-darc-or-jeanne-la-pucelle-news-photo/113627903)
[5]
[https://fishergenes.com](https://fishergenes.com/showmedia.php?mediaID=3856)
[6]
[https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Arc-Spicy-Chili-Beans/dp/B01M2C3AKF)
[7]
[https://www.prnewswire.com](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/teasdale-quality-foods-acquires-hoopeston-foods-168814426.html)
[8] [https://cityofhoopeston.com](https://cityofhoopeston.com/history/)
[9] [https://www.ebay.com](https://www.ebay.com/itm/157095664980)
[10]
[https://bgfoods.com](https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/)
[11]
[https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Light-Kidney-Beans-Ounce/dp/B0029JYP6A)
[12]
[https://www.maidofheaven.com](http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_jeannedarc_jehannedarc.asp)
[13]
[https://www.quora.com](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-English-people-call-Jann-dArc-Joan-of-Arc)
[14]
[https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc)
[15]
[https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/1b1jfnf/joan_of_arc_had_a_rabbit_hole_of_a_name/)
[16]
[https://www.history.com](https://www.history.com/articles/7-surprising-facts-about-joan-of-arc)
[17]
[https://bgfoods.com](https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/product/great-northern-beans/)

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#1145945

> * The Concept:     During the late 19th century, American companies
> frequently named products after heroic, romanticized, or well-known
> historical figures to imply strength, purity, and premium quality. 


       Is this still common ?    -- Cf.  Nike  name.


The name Nike fundamentally translates to "victory" or "conquest". 
It originates from ancient Greece, where Nike was the revered winged
goddess of victory in both war and athletic competitions.



"HenHanna" <HenHanna@Posting.from.CsiPh> wrote:
> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> > From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
> > 
> >    I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
> >    shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
> >    stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
> > 
> > I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
> > was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
> > 
> > <https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
> > 
> > It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
> > it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
> > the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the
> > freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.        ---Abbie Hoffman
> 
> 
> 
> (Why did nobody respond ?)  ---        nice Ling puzzle!
> 
> 
> 1.    The Apostrophe Mistake --- is interesting,  like Apron, Umpire....
> 
> 
> 2.    her original surname was Darc,   which reminds me of porn-star(s)
> with the surname Dark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Joan of Arc canned bean brand takes its name directly from the
> famous 15th-century French heroine and Catholic saint, [Jeanne d'Arc]().
> [1, 2, 3, 4] 
> 
> 
> ## Brand Origins
> 
> * The Cannery:    The brand originated in 1895 under the Illinois
> Canning Company located in Hoopeston, Illinois. [5, 6, 7] 
> 
> * The Concept:     During the late 19th century, American companies
> frequently named products after heroic, romanticized, or well-known
> historical figures to imply strength, purity, and premium quality. The
> company formally incorporated the Joan of Arc name in 1877 for its
> general canning lines and later launched its successful national line of
> red kidney beans and sweet corn under the label. [5, 7, 8, 9] 
> 
> * The Modern Hook: Today, the brand is owned by [B&G Foods]
> 
> (https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/). Marketing materials
> heavily lean into the name by describing the legumes as "valiant"
> kitchen sidekicks that "save the day" or "transform a meal." [10, 11] 
> 
> 
> 
> ## Origin of the Historical Figure's Name
> 
> 
> While the bean brand was named after the saint, the historical name Joan
> of Arc itself is actually an Anglicized translation error: [12, 13, 14,
> 15] 
> 
> * Jehanne Darc:      In 15th-century France, she was known as Jehanne
> (or Jeannette), and her father’s surname was written as Darc (or
> Tarc). [1, 2, 16] 
> 
> * The Apostrophe Mistake: Centuries later, French historians mistakenly
> assumed Darc meant "from Arc" and added an apostrophe to make it d'Arc.
> Joan was actually born in Domrémy, not a place called Arc. [2, 13, 16] 
> 
> * The English Translation: English writers translated Jehanne to Joan
> and kept the literal translation of d'Arc as of Arc. During her actual
> lifetime, she simply called herself Jehanne la Pucelle ("Joan the
> Maid"). [2, 12, 13, 16] 
> 
> If you are looking for specific information, would you like to know more
> about the history of the Hoopeston, Illinois cannery, or are you looking
> for recipes using these specific beans? [5, 7, 17] 
> 
> [1]
> [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
> [2]
> [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc)
> [3]
> [https://en.wiktionary.org](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc)
> [4]
> [https://www.gettyimages.com](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/joan-of-arc-1412-1431-aka-jeanne-darc-or-jeanne-la-pucelle-news-photo/113627903)
> [5]
> [https://fishergenes.com](https://fishergenes.com/showmedia.php?mediaID=3856)
> [6]
> [https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Arc-Spicy-Chili-Beans/dp/B01M2C3AKF)
> [7]
> [https://www.prnewswire.com](https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/teasdale-quality-foods-acquires-hoopeston-foods-168814426.html)
> [8] [https://cityofhoopeston.com](https://cityofhoopeston.com/history/)
> [9] [https://www.ebay.com](https://www.ebay.com/itm/157095664980)
> [10]
> [https://bgfoods.com](https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/)
> [11]
> [https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com/Joan-Light-Kidney-Beans-Ounce/dp/B0029JYP6A)
> [12]
> [https://www.maidofheaven.com](http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_jeannedarc_jehannedarc.asp)
> [13]
> [https://www.quora.com](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-English-people-call-Jann-dArc-Joan-of-Arc)
> [14]
> [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Joan_of_Arc)
> [15]
> [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/1b1jfnf/joan_of_arc_had_a_rabbit_hole_of_a_name/)
> [16]
> [https://www.history.com](https://www.history.com/articles/7-surprising-facts-about-joan-of-arc)
> [17]
> [https://bgfoods.com](https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/product/great-northern-beans/)
> 
> 

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#1145675

On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
>  From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
> 
>     I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
>     shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
>     stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
> 
> I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
> was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
> 
> <https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
> 
> It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
> it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
> the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
> 

"Actually burnt at the stake!"?

Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I 
ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on 
the box.

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#1145677

On 23/06/26 07:44, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
>>  From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
>>
>>     I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
>>     shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
>>     stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
>>
>> I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
>> was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
>>
>> <https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
>>
>> It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
>> it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
>> the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
>
> "Actually burnt at the stake!"?
>
> Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
> ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
> the box.

Quaker guns, I presume.

There was another breakfast cereal advertised as "shot with sugar".

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1145678

Le 22/06/2026 à 22:44, Ross Clark a écrit :
> On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
>>  From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
>>
>>     I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
>>     shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
>>     stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
>>
>> I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
>> was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
>>
>> <https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
>>
>> It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
>> it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
>> the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
>>
> 
> "Actually burnt at the stake!"?
> 
> Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I 
> ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on 
> the box.


Joan of Arc has long been used in advertising and propaganda, it seems, 
and not always successfully…

'Objet de réclame et de propagande' -
<https://www.larep.fr/orleans-45000/actualites/objet-de-reclame-et-de-propagande_1152720/> 
:

« Avec quelques ratés : les laxatifs orléanais Jeanne d'Arc ont disparu, 
la 'Brûlerie Jeanne d'Arc' aurait vite été rebaptisée 'Cafés Jeanne 
d'Arc', quant à la 'Rôtisserie Jeanne d'Arc', rue de Bourgogne, elle a 
fait long feu. »

Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery 
has been renamed Joan of Arc Cafés, and the Joan of Arc Rotisserie… 
misfired.

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#1145681

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 22/06/2026 à 22:44, Ross Clark a écrit :
> > On 23/06/2026 1:04 a.m., Adam Funk wrote:
> >>  From Patti Smith's _Woolgathering_:
> >>
> >>     I fired up a pan of Joan of Arc beans; poured olive oil over some
> >>     shredded lettuce and opened a bottle of Gatorade. I was hungry so I
> >>     stood as I ate, then scraped my plate and left it in the sink.
> >>
> >> I assumed this was a recipe I hadn't heard of, so I googled it, & I
> >> was surprised to find that it's a brand of canned beans.
> >>
> >> <https://bgfoods.com/brands/joan-of-arc/products/>
> >>
> >> It seems like an odd trade name, but I can't find any explanation of
> >> it on the website. According to Wikipedia, the current owner bought
> >> the brand from Pillsbury in 1999.
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%26G_Foods
> >>
> > 
> > "Actually burnt at the stake!"?
> > 
> > Probably wouldn't work, but it was inspired by the Quaker Puffed Wheat I
> > ate for breakfast as a boy, which actually did say "Shot from guns!" on
> > the box.
> 
> 
> Joan of Arc has long been used in advertising and propaganda, it seems,
> and not always successfully…
> 
> 'Objet de réclame et de propagande' -
> <https://www.larep.fr/orleans-45000/actualites/objet-de-reclame-et-de-propagan
de_1152720/> 
> :
> 
> « Avec quelques ratés : les laxatifs orléanais Jeanne d'Arc ont disparu,
> la 'Brûlerie Jeanne d'Arc' aurait vite été rebaptisée 'Cafés Jeanne 
> d'Arc', quant à la 'Rôtisserie Jeanne d'Arc', rue de Bourgogne, elle a
> fait long feu. »
> 
> Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
> has been renamed Joan of Arc Cafés, and the Joan of Arc Rotisserie… 
> misfired.

But she does survive in her role of patron saint of the Front National.
If Marine le Pen ever gets elected we'll see her
dressed up for president in Jeanne d'Arc armour,

Jan

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#1145684

Le 23/06/2026 à 07:59, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
>> has been renamed Joan of Arc Cafés, and the Joan of Arc Rotisserie…
>> misfired.
> 
> But she does survive in her role of patron saint of the Front National.
> If Marine le Pen ever gets elected we'll see her
> dressed up for president in Jeanne d'Arc armour,


Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both 
produce… a lot of hot air.

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#1145687

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 23/06/2026 à 07:59, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> > Hibou wrote:
> >>
> >> Joan of Arc laxatives no longer exist, the Joan of Arc (Coffee) Roastery
> >> has been renamed Joan of Arc Cafés, and the Joan of Arc Rotisserie…
> >> misfired.
> > 
> > But she does survive in her role of patron saint of the Front National.
> > If Marine le Pen ever gets elected we'll see her
> > dressed up for president in Jeanne d'Arc armour,
> 
> 
> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
> produce… a lot of hot air.

If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
the resemblance would be near perfect,
<https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>

Jan

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#1145760

Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
>> produce… a lot of hot air.
> 
> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
> the resemblance would be near perfect,
> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
> 


The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
to the Right).

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#1145762

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:

> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> > Hibou wrote:
> >>
> >> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
> >> produce… a lot of hot air.
> > 
> > If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
> > the resemblance would be near perfect,
> > <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
> > 
> 
> 
> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
> to the Right).

Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
> 


-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1145770

On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
> 
>> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
>>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
>>>
>>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
>>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
>>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
>> to the Right).
> 
> Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
>>
> 
> 
I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
And she was actually French, to her credit.  Do you think Jean-Marie
thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?

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#1145774

occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:

> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
> > 
> >> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> >>> Hibou wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
> >>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
> >>>
> >>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
> >>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
> >>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
> >> to the Right).
> > 
> > Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
> And she was actually French, to her credit.  Do you think Jean-Marie
> thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?

Up to a point, I think.

-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1145778

On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:59:17 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com
<user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

>
>occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
>
>> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
>> > 
>> >> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>> >>> Hibou wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
>> >>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
>> >>>
>> >>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
>> >>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
>> >>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
>> >> to the Right).
>> > 
>> > Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
>> >>
>> > 
>> > 
>> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
>> And she was actually French, to her credit.  Do you think Jean-Marie
>> thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
>
>Up to a point, I think.

Were the stakes very high? That's a burning question.

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#1145798

On 26/06/2026 18:29, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:59:17 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com
> <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>
>> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
>>
>>> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>>>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
>>>>>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
>>>>>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
>>>>>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
>>>>> to the Right).
>>>>
>>>> Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
>>> And she was actually French, to her credit.  Do you think Jean-Marie
>>> thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
>>
>> Up to a point, I think.
> 
> Were the stakes very high? That's a burning question.

I fear your comment will spark a bonfire of puns.

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#1145799

On Sat, 27 Jun 2026 08:26:43 +0200
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

> On 26/06/2026 18:29, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:59:17 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com
> > <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> posted:
> >>
> >>> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> >>>>>> Hibou wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
> >>>>>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
> >>>>>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
> >>>>>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way 
> >>>>> to the Right).
> >>>>
> >>>> Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the picture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
> >>> And she was actually French, to her credit.  Do you think Jean-Marie
> >>> thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
> >>
> >> Up to a point, I think.
> > 
> > Were the stakes very high? That's a burning question.
> 
> I fear your comment will spark a bonfire of puns.

I can't match your inflammatory remark.

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#1145813

occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
> > 
> >> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> >>> Hibou wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
> >>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
> >>>
> >>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
> >>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
> >>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/
21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way
> >> to the Right).
> > 
> > Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the
> > picture.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.

A bad analogy, I think. St. George became English patron saint
in the Middle Ages, when he was already almost mythological.
(martyred before 300 CE)
Jeanne on the other hand has always been a historical person.
(to be used/abused for political purposes whenever that seemed suitable)

As a saint she has always been controversial.
She only got there because the pope felt that the French
had to be given a prize for their sufferings in WW I.
(all earlier requests to canonise her had been rejected)

They are still regretting it, afaik.
Jeanne has been taken up by ultra-conservative Roman-Catholics
who contest the results of the second Vatican council.
(and in some cases the authority of the pope)

> And she was actually French, to her credit.

Of a kind. From Lorraine, actually.

> Do you think Jean-Marie thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?

Which army would he charge against?

Jan

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#1145814

On 27/06/2026 14:23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> 
>> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
>>>
>>>> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
>>>>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
>>>>>
>>>>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
>>>>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
>>>>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/04/
> 21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way
>>>> to the Right).
>>>
>>> Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the
>>> picture.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
> 
> A bad analogy, I think. St. George became English patron saint
> in the Middle Ages, when he was already almost mythological.

'almost mythological'? Please explain.  Either was either a real person
(which he was) or he was mythological.

> (martyred before 300 CE)
> Jeanne on the other hand has always been a historical person.
> (to be used/abused for political purposes whenever that seemed suitable)
> 
> As a saint she has always been controversial.
> She only got there because the pope felt that the French
> had to be given a prize for their sufferings in WW I.
> (all earlier requests to canonise her had been rejected)
>


<snip>

> 
>> And she was actually French, to her credit.
> 
> Of a kind. From Lorraine, actually.
 >> Do you think Jean-Marie thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?


> 
> Which army would he charge against?
> 

The EU and the liberals therein?

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#1145818

occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

> On 27/06/2026 14:23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 26/06/2026 09:34, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:
> >>>
> >>>> Le 23/06/2026 à 09:24, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> >>>>> Hibou wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Patron saint of the RN and patron saint of beans, eh? Fair enough. Both
> >>>>>> produce… a lot of hot air.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If she could only learn to keep her mouth shut
> >>>>> the resemblance would be near perfect,
> >>>>> <https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/0
4/
> > 21/Pg-32-Joan-of-Arc-gettty.jpg?width=1200>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The French may have to revisit their 'priorité à droite' rule (give way
> >>>> to the Right).
> >>>
> >>> Her Dad always made a big thing of Joan of Arc. You can see him in the
> >>> picture.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I guess Jeanne d'Arc is to the French what St.George is to the British.
> > 
> > A bad analogy, I think. St. George became English patron saint
> > in the Middle Ages, when he was already almost mythological.
> 
> 'almost mythological'? Please explain.  Either was either a real person
> (which he was) or he was mythological.

Certainly, 'real' according to holy tradition.
[-]
Very little is known about George's life.
It is thought that he was a Roman military officer, martyred ....
Beyond this, early sources give conflicting information. (wikipedia)

In other words, sufficiently mythological
to be suitable for general-purpose use by anybody and everybody.

Jeanne otoh... [1]

As for his dragon-slaying on horseback, Apollo already did that.
(and a great many others too, well before christianity arrived)

[-]
> >> And she was actually French, to her credit.
> > 
> > Of a kind. From Lorraine, actually.
>  >> Do you think Jean-Marie thought of himself as a modern day Jeanne d' ?
> 
> 
> > 
> > Which army would he charge against?
> > 
> 
> The EU and the liberals therein?

Hardly an army to charge,
and armour and horseback won't be of much use,

Jan

[1] There were lots of secondary relics of Jeanne,
even clothes she wore, swords she used, etc.
In a wave of sanity the French people destroyed all those
during the French revolution. (in a bonfire of course)

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#1145851

On 27/06/2026 18:04, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Hardly an army to charge,
> and armour and horseback won't be of much use,

Its a metaphor, Jan.  People with a cause no longer slay dragons, nor do
they charge the enemy on horseback.  They do it in the press.

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