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  The Attack ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-21 09:35 +0000
    Re: The Attack Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 18:02 +0800
      Re: The Attack ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-21 10:07 +0000
        Re: The Attack Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 18:12 +0800
          Re: The Attack ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-21 10:23 +0000
            Re: The Attack ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-21 10:31 +0000
              Re: The Attack Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 08:55 -0700
                Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 11:59 -0700
            Re: The Attack Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 18:32 +0800
          Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 11:50 -0700
      Re: The Attack Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-21 21:24 +1100
        Re: The Attack kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-21 11:08 -0400
          Re: The Attack Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2026-10-22 14:17 +0000
            Re: The Attack scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 15:11 +0000
              Re: The Attack kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-22 12:20 -0400
                Re: The Attack scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-22 19:37 +0000
                  Re: The Attack Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> - 2026-10-23 02:23 +0000
        Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 12:57 -0700
    Re: The Attack Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-21 19:27 +0100
      Re: The Attack Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-21 20:00 +0100
        Re: The Attack Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-22 05:42 +0100
      Re: The Attack athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-22 09:28 +0000
        Is Paris Burning? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-22 09:54 -0700
        Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-22 10:02 -0700
    Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 11:27 -0700
    Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 11:47 -0700
    Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 12:09 -0700
    Re: The Attack nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-21 21:26 +0200
      Re: The Attack Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-22 12:03 +1300
        Re: The Attack The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-21 20:31 -0700

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#1152666 — The Attack

  It seems one vile poster, "The Starmaker", has intentionally off-
  topic crossposted one post "Re: Fat books" to sci.physics.relativity,
  and then a herd of people (Adam Funk, Aidan Kehoe, Blaine, Bobbie 
  Sellers, BobbieSellers, Charles Hope, Dimensional Traveler, Hibou,
  J. J. Lodder, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson, Nuno Silva, Ross Fin-
  layson, Scott Dorsey, Steve Hayes, Titus G, Tony Cooper, Torbjorn
  Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
  their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity 
  by about 72 off-topic posts.

  Folks! Each time you send a post, check your "Newsgroups:" header!

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#1152668

On 10/21/2026 5:35 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>    It seems one vile poster, "The Starmaker", has intentionally off-
>    topic crossposted one post "Re: Fat books" to sci.physics.relativity,
>    and then a herd of people (Adam Funk, Aidan Kehoe, Blaine, Bobbie
>    Sellers, BobbieSellers, Charles Hope, Dimensional Traveler, Hibou,
>    J. J. Lodder, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson, Nuno Silva, Ross Fin-
>    layson, Scott Dorsey, Steve Hayes, Titus G, Tony Cooper, Torbjorn
>    Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>    their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>    by about 72 off-topic posts.
> 
>    Folks! Each time you send a post, check your "Newsgroups:" header!

Dear Stefan,

Sorry about that.  The best thing to do, when this happens, is to reply
politely, and turn the offended newsgroup off in the followup-to.

I myself can attest that being an asshole back only results on more ass-
holetry, with no end in sight for the ensuing flamewar.

As I have no books on relative physics, I had no reason to cross post.


Best wishes, and happy polite cross posting disputes!
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

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#1152669

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>On 10/21/2026 5:35 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>>their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>Sorry about that.  The best thing to do, when this happens, is to reply
>politely, and turn the offended newsgroup off in the followup-to.

  In deleted the impoliteness before posting - only the "neither"
  remained.

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#1152670

On 10/21/2026 6:07 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>> On 10/21/2026 5:35 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>> Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>>> their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>> Sorry about that.  The best thing to do, when this happens, is to reply
>> politely, and turn the offended newsgroup off in the followup-to.
> 
>    In deleted the impoliteness before posting - only the "neither"
>    remained.

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you meant by that.
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

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#1152672

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>On 10/21/2026 6:07 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>>>On 10/21/2026 5:35 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>>>>their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>>>Sorry about that.  The best thing to do, when this happens, is to reply
>>>politely, and turn the offended newsgroup off in the followup-to.
>>In deleted the impoliteness before posting - only the "neither"
>>remained.
>I'm sorry, I have no idea what you meant by that.

  ("In" above was meant to be "I", sorry!)

  Let's ask the experts! Language models are experts for finding
  the next word in a text. Me:

Please find continuations for the following fragment which are
somewhat impolite:

"who were not able to control neither their newsreader"

  , the chatbot:

| Here are a few ways to continue the fragment with a blunt, slightly
| condescending, or impolite tone, depending on how sharp you want the
| insult to be:
| 
| o ". . . who were not able to control neither their newsreader nor 
|   their own basic cognitive functions, judging by the garbage they 
|   post."
| 
| o ". . . who were not able to control neither their newsreader nor
|   the urge to embarrass themselves publicly every time they touch a
|   keyboard."
| 
| o ". . . who were not able to control neither their newsreader nor
|   their pathetic tech-illiteracy, yet still felt entitled to clog 
|   up the newsgroup."

  . Lines marked with "| " came the chatbot. They are posted your
  for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they are 
  merely quoted, not expressed.

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#1152674

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>. Lines marked with "| " came the chatbot. They are posted your
>for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they are 
>merely quoted, not expressed.

  . Lines marked with "| " came FROM the chatbot. They are posted 
  HERE for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they
  are merely quoted, not expressed.

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#1152686

On 10/21/2026 03:31 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>> . Lines marked with "| " came the chatbot. They are posted your
>> for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they are
>> merely quoted, not expressed.
>
>    . Lines marked with "| " came FROM the chatbot. They are posted
>    HERE for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they
>    are merely quoted, not expressed.
>
>


Thanks for writing. Stefan, one may agree that since relativity
or accounts of "The Fourth Dimension" or Einsteiniana often get
conflated in discussing "Relativity Theory", then that Starmaker
is as of a personality disorder embodied as an authoring or
authored entity, while yet accounts of Relativity Theory
for things like "Doubly-Objective Relativity Theory" and
about "real space-contraction" and distinguishing
"space-contraction-linear & space-contraction-rotational", about "Rest
Exchange Momentum" and "Light Speed Rest Frame", and accounts of
"Orbifold over Geodesy", for invariant/conservation/symmetry theory
"F-Lorentzians" what make for continuity & exchange over conservation &
truncation, these are part of a holistic account of "Relativity Theory".

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#1152698

Ross Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On 10/21/2026 03:31 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
> >> . Lines marked with "| " came the chatbot. They are posted your
> >> for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they are
> >> merely quoted, not expressed.
> >
> >    . Lines marked with "| " came FROM the chatbot. They are posted
> >    HERE for informational purposes, not to insult anyone, as they
> >    are merely quoted, not expressed.
> >
> >
> 
> Thanks for writing. Stefan, one may agree that since relativity
> or accounts of "The Fourth Dimension" or Einsteiniana often get
> conflated in discussing "Relativity Theory", then that Starmaker
> is as of a personality disorder 


ACTION: Hey, I got a personality disorder!

A-RAB: So take him to a personality disorder worker!

ACTION
Dear kindly personality disorder worker,
They say go earn a buck.
Like be a soda jerker,
Which means like be a schumck.
It's not I'm anti-social,
I'm only anti-work.
Gloryosky! That's why I'm a jerk!

BABY JOHN: 
Eek!
Officer Krupke, you've done it again.
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the pen.
It ain't just a question of misunderstood;
Deep down inside him, he's no good!

ACTION
I'm no good!

ALL
We're no good, we're no good!
We're no earthly good,
Like the best of us is no damn good!

DIESEL (As Judge)
The trouble is he's crazy.

A-RAB (As Psychiatrist)
The trouble is he drinks.

BABY JOHN (As Female Social Worker)
The trouble is he's lazy.

DIESEL
The trouble is he stinks.

A-RAB
The trouble is he's growing.

BABY JOHN
The trouble is he's grown.

ALL
Krupke, we got troubles of our own!

Gee, Officer Krupke,
We're down on our knees,
'Cause no one wants a fellow with a personality disorder.
Gee, Officer Krupke,
What are we to do?
Gee, Officer Krupke,
Krup you!
 




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1152675

On 10/21/2026 6:23 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>> On 10/21/2026 6:07 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>>>> On 10/21/2026 5:35 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>> Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>>>>> their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>>>> Sorry about that.  The best thing to do, when this happens, is to reply
>>>> politely, and turn the offended newsgroup off in the followup-to.
>>> In deleted the impoliteness before posting - only the "neither"
>>> remained.
>> I'm sorry, I have no idea what you meant by that.
> 
>    ("In" above was meant to be "I", sorry!)
> 

I see, I believe.  Well, to demonstrate what I'm preaching, sort of, I
have now turned off alt.usage.english, and rec.arts.sf.written in the
followup-to header.

This has been "cross posted" enough, and future discussion of this
thread of this discussion is best served in sci.physics.relativity only.

I suggest everyone who feels so inclined, reply with the same, so the
ensuing flamewar is contained to einsteinian physics, and no magic nor
fiction, nor the english get involved.

I believe King Charles the Third can do without another flamewar.


Best wishes, and happy English!
-- 
Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

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#1152696

Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> 
> On 10/21/2026 6:07 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> > Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> wrote or quoted:
> >> On 10/21/2026 5:35 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>> Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
> >>> their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
> >> Sorry about that.  The best thing to do, when this happens, is to reply
> >> politely, and turn the offended newsgroup off in the followup-to.
> >
> >    In deleted the impoliteness before posting - only the "neither"
> >    remained.
> 
> I'm sorry, I have no idea what you meant by that.

Maybe he speled it wrong..



> --
> Johann | email: invalid -> com | http://www.myrkraverk.com/blog/
> I'm not from the Internet, I just work there. | via Easynews.com
> https://bsky.app/profile/myrkraverk.bsky.social | for ( ;; ) _:;
> Federated at https://fed.brid.gy/bsky/myrkraverk.bsky.social

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1152673

[crackpot group snipped, as usual]

On 21/10/26 21:02, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:

> As I have no books on relative physics, I had no reason to cross
> post.

At last report, sci.physics.relativity is for people who don't
understand science or physics or relativity. The cranks took it over
years ago.  You should always remove it from the list of groups when
posting.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1152681

In article <11ba3th$3r49s$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan  <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>[crackpot group snipped, as usual]
>
>On 21/10/26 21:02, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>
>> As I have no books on relative physics, I had no reason to cross
>> post.
>
>At last report, sci.physics.relativity is for people who don't
>understand science or physics or relativity. The cranks took it over
>years ago.  You should always remove it from the list of groups when
>posting.

Does it still provide valuable information the PLUTONIUM ATOM TOTALITY
MODEL?  I kind of miss Ludwig.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#1152724

On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:08:15 -0400 (EDT),
  Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>  In article <11ba3th$3r49s$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Peter Moylan  <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
> >[crackpot group snipped, as usual] On 21/10/26 21:02, Johann 
> >'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> >
> >> As I have no books on relative physics, I had no reason to 
> >> cross post.
> >
> >At last report, sci.physics.relativity is for people who don't 
> >understand science or physics or relativity. The cranks took it 
> >over years ago.  You should always remove it from the list of 
> >groups when posting.
> 
>  Does it still provide valuable information the PLUTONIUM ATOM 
>  TOTALITY MODEL?  I kind of miss Ludwig.

+1  He was high entertainment, to be sure.

-- 
Ted Heise        <theise@panix.com>        Gretna, NE, USA

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#1152726

Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> writes:
>On Wed, 21 Oct 2026 11:08:15 -0400 (EDT),
>  Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>>  In article <11ba3th$3r49s$1@dont-email.me>,
>>  Peter Moylan  <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>> >[crackpot group snipped, as usual] On 21/10/26 21:02, Johann 
>> >'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>> >
>> >> As I have no books on relative physics, I had no reason to 
>> >> cross post.
>> >
>> >At last report, sci.physics.relativity is for people who don't 
>> >understand science or physics or relativity. The cranks took it 
>> >over years ago.  You should always remove it from the list of 
>> >groups when posting.
>> 
>>  Does it still provide valuable information the PLUTONIUM ATOM 
>>  TOTALITY MODEL?  I kind of miss Ludwig.
>
>+1  He was high entertainment, to be sure.

As were the cold fusion cranks on sci.physics.fusion.  I think Jed
Rothwell is still pushing it to gullible suckers.

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#1152730

Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>As were the cold fusion cranks on sci.physics.fusion.  I think Jed
>Rothwell is still pushing it to gullible suckers.

I kept explaining to them that all of that Kenny G stuff was no good,
but it didn't seem to help.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#1152736

kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>As were the cold fusion cranks on sci.physics.fusion.  I think Jed
>>Rothwell is still pushing it to gullible suckers.
>
>I kept explaining to them that all of that Kenny G stuff was no good,
>but it didn't seem to help.

 Aside his history (Jeff Lorber), there were better examples
of fusion - Return to Forever, for example did some fine work.

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#1152750

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:37:23 GMT,
  Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>  kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
> >Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>As were the cold fusion cranks on sci.physics.fusion.  I think 
> >>Jed Rothwell is still pushing it to gullible suckers.
> >
> >I kept explaining to them that all of that Kenny G stuff was no 
> >good, but it didn't seem to help.
> 
>   Aside his history (Jeff Lorber), there were better examples of 
>  fusion - Return to Forever, for example did some fine work.

+1  I got to see them live *many* years ago.  

-- 
Ted Heise        <theise@panix.com>        Gretna, NE, USA

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#1152705

Peter Moylan wrote:
> 
> [crackpot group snipped, as usual]
> 
> On 21/10/26 21:02, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> 
> > As I have no books on relative physics, I had no reason to cross
> > post.
> 
> At last report, sci.physics.relativity is for people who don't
> understand science or physics or relativity. 

"science or physics or relativity"???? 


What report was dat? 


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1152692

Le 21/10/2026 à 10:35, Stefan Ram a écrit :
> 
>    It seems one vile poster, "The Starmaker", has intentionally off-
>    topic crossposted one post "Re: Fat books" to sci.physics.relativity,
>    and then a herd of people (Adam Funk, Aidan Kehoe, Blaine, Bobbie
>    Sellers, BobbieSellers, Charles Hope, Dimensional Traveler, Hibou,
>    J. J. Lodder, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson, Nuno Silva, Ross Fin-
>    layson, Scott Dorsey, Steve Hayes, Titus G, Tony Cooper, Torbjorn
>    Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>    their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>    by about 72 off-topic posts.
> 
>    Folks! Each time you send a post, check your "Newsgroups:" header!


There's a reasonable request clumsily expressed. (For myself, I find I 
cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood, to misquote the Bard.)

"Attack", "herd", "not able to control", "abused" - and not a 'please' 
in sight - all examples of poor English usage, in a way.

I pass over the "neither". Personne n'est à l'abri de l'erreur, as they 
say, and that looks like incomplete editing. I expect we've all been 
guilty of it. I know I have.

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#1152699

On 21/10/2026 19:27, Hibou wrote:
> Le 21/10/2026 à 10:35, Stefan Ram a écrit :
>>
>>    It seems one vile poster, "The Starmaker", has intentionally off-
>>    topic crossposted one post "Re: Fat books" to sci.physics.relativity,
>>    and then a herd of people (Adam Funk, Aidan Kehoe, Blaine, Bobbie
>>    Sellers, BobbieSellers, Charles Hope, Dimensional Traveler, Hibou,
>>    J. J. Lodder, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson, Nuno Silva, Ross Fin-
>>    layson, Scott Dorsey, Steve Hayes, Titus G, Tony Cooper, Torbjorn
>>    Lindgren, and William Hyde), who were not able to control neither
>>    their newsreader, followed suit and abused sci.physics.relativity
>>    by about 72 off-topic posts.
>>
>>    Folks! Each time you send a post, check your "Newsgroups:" header!
> 
> 
> There's a reasonable request clumsily expressed. (For myself, I find I 
> cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood, to misquote the Bard.)
> 
> "Attack", "herd", "not able to control", "abused" - and not a 'please' 
> in sight - all examples of poor English usage, in a way.
> 
> I pass over the "neither". Personne n'est à l'abri de l'erreur, as they 
> say, and that looks like incomplete editing. I expect we've all been 
> guilty of it. I know I have.

Furthermore, I find my teeth curling at that "Folks!" form of address.

-- 
Sam Plusnet
(Yes, the use of that phrase was deliberate.)

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