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  Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 14:41 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 14:47 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2018-09-14 16:33 +0100
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 16:14 +0000
          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-16 22:41 +0000
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-18 03:12 +0000
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-19 20:29 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 01:34 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-20 08:54 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-20 14:17 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-20 19:30 +0000
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-18 09:42 -0400
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-18 16:11 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-18 12:31 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 04:22 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-18 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 05:15 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 07:52 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-19 15:32 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-22 20:55 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-22 19:26 -0700
    [OT] Malware alert? (was: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-14 15:28 +0000
      Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 16:30 +0000
        Re: [OT] Malware alert? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:47 -0400
          Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 00:23 +0000
            Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:14 +0000
              Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 21:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:42 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 22:07 -0400
                    Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 03:01 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 23:55 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 04:31 +0000
            Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-15 12:44 +0000
              Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-15 09:12 -0400
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 21:45 +0000
              Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 14:05 +0000
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-15 15:25 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:51 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-17 11:35 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-17 11:55 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-18 14:00 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-18 23:31 +0000
          Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 02:43 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 16:31 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 14:06 -0400
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 21:01 +0000
          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 21:17 +0000
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 17:31 -0400
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 21:43 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 17:51 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 18:02 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 18:01 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:20 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:26 +0000
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:32 -0400
                        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:42 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:07 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:20 -0400
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:38 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:51 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 00:28 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-22 20:46 -0400
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-15 00:12 +0000
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 00:54 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:13 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 21:23 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:56 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 21:23 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:59 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 22:07 -0400
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 02:35 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-16 01:28 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 03:13 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-15 23:21 -0400
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:15 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-17 06:47 +0000
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-17 14:15 +0000
                        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-21 07:48 +0000
                          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-21 08:34 -0500
                            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-27 07:46 +0000
                              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 12:53 +0000
                                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-27 20:05 +0000
                                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-28 08:50 +1200
                                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-13 13:05 +0000
                          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 12:48 +0000
                            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-27 20:05 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 14:20 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-16 22:37 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-17 13:28 +0000
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-17 13:38 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 04:27 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 01:53 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-19 22:02 -0400
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 02:10 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 19:57 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 20:10 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-21 08:15 +0000
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 13:11 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 13:30 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 13:59 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-09-27 17:32 +0200
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-21 19:03 +0000

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#50709 — Re: [OT] Malware alert?

Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 15 Sep 2018 15:25:41 GMT, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> [...]
>> FTP is a joke, simply because it is FTP.  But that's been the case for a
>> good long while now.
>
> Agreed. 
> It's even worse on iOS, sadly.
>
> So anyone who posits FTP as a "solution", doesn't understand that.

I've never seen FTP *not* work on iOS (at least insofar as running a
client on said device).  Granted, I *never* run "servers" on my mobile
devices, as I don't trust mobile-device devs to not do something stupid
like "oh, autostart when a new wifi network is detected".

>
>> Personally, I like either using my owncloud instance on the phone (via a
>> browser), as (S)FTP clients on android seem to be a bit touch and go.  I
>> didn't bother testing it, as it has the same limitations as the FTP
>> client I use (i.e. one file at a time), and I don't have any files that
>> surpass 50MB sitting on it. 
>
> If we exclude iOS, FTP works ok (IMHO on Android.
> The worst part of FTP on Windows is that Window is flaky (IMHO) when you
> reconnect frequently using the native Windows File Explorer. 

Commandline on Windows has never been a problem for me.

>  
>> Well, Apple is definitely "you play in our walled garden, or you go
>> away".
>
> I fight that attitude but I do agree that Apple clearly says the real world
> (aka other systems, like Linux), are "not supported".

Good luck getting their corporate attitude to change :)

>
>> I haven't used any of their kit since one of the first couple
>> generations of iPod ... and that was only because they were the only
>> *good* music player at the time, although when SanDisk had their little
>> thing that you could plug a Cruzer Micro into, I loved that player.
>
> I solved all those problems with iPods using the last known good version of
> SharePod freeware, which still works just fine.

Or, I just don't purchase devices that need workarounds to work the way
I would like them to.  TBH, that's my go-to. :)


>>> [...]
>>> I tried SMB, by the say (aka smbclient/samba), but it turns out that if you
>>> don't root Android, SMB is basically brain dead on Android too.
>> 
>> SMB is basically braindead everywhere :)
>
> In the past, I had found the smbclient and samba server, along with CAP,
> useful to tie together Macs, Windows, and SunOS/Solaris machines.
>
> What's nice about SMB is that it's the native way to talk to Windows, and
> it's well honed on Linux. It's Android and iOS that don't work well with
> SMB, where on Android you have to jailbreak (effectively) and on iOS, well,
> iOS is always brain dead unless you jailbreak.

Doesn't make samba braindead though.  And with the advent of WSL,
*apparently* windows is slightly less braindead with other options.  But
I don't have a win-box laying around to test it with (nor do I care to
have one)

>
>> Pretty sure iOS can connect to FTP *servers* still (unless apple fubar'd
>> that)
>
> That's not the problem as the FTP server is running on the mobile device.
> The problem is that Apple doesn't let it access the file system.

Again, I don't run servers on my mobile devices, so the lack of an FTP
server on iOS is itself a moot point.

>  
>> iOS can definitely use http - you just have to have something like an
>> owncloud / nextcloud (etc.) instance, rather than "pure" http via curl
>> or the like.
>
> That's not the problem as the HTTP server is running on the mobile device.
> The problem is that Apple doesn't let it access the file system.

Again, I don't run servers on my mobile devices, so the lack of an HTTP
server on iOS is itself a moot point.

>
>
>> Benefit of youth, I guess.  Kids see "obvious" solutions to things that
>> adults tend to be too locked-in thinking wise to notice. But then again,
>> the whole usecase is a bit edge / corner, so even there some of the
>> "obviousness" is perhaps hindsight on the part of responders.
>
> I don't think most people understand the genius of this solution.
> Nobody, for example, on this planet, can propose a better one (IMHO).

It's hardly "genius".  It is, perhaps, non-obvious to the "learned
computing well before USB was a thing" crowd; but in my experience,
USB-to-USB is pretty ubiquitous. 

An iDevice not needing iTunes is not, but I haven't bought one of those
since I was in high school.

> [...]
> I repeat: Not a single subsequent post after the original post, added any
> value to the topic. It's all in the original post. Nobody knows more than I
> do, unfortunately, and that's sad because i don't know much and I never
> said I did.

Honestly, raw transfer speed is the least of my concerns.  All of my
devices run the "Owncloud Client", having a $HOME/owncloud directory (or
relevant directory on non-Linux devices) that is automatically synced
between all of them. 

Worst case is that the day's pictures (if there are any) get moved over
locally on the phone, to sync overnight as it's charging.  Although, I
also have taken to mild dislike of the phone's client, and tend to just
use the web-ui for that these days.

>
>> It's obvious that iOS and Windows are both bad in their own right, so
>> using both in conjunction is bad^2.
>
> Fact is that mobile devices exist along with desktops existing.
> Fact is that data transfer between mobile devices & desktops is needed.

Fact is, the quoted statement I made is tongue-in-cheek.

> So far, nobody has ever come up with a better method.
> Hence, I leaned nothing from this thread.

In your opinion.  Perhaps other people have taken a (silent) look and
have decided that HTTP (via owncloud) or SFTP (via openssh-server on a
linux box ... or maybe WSL) transfers make for the more universally
applicable approach.

I mean, your approach pretty much relies on physical access to your
desktop.


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#50710 — Re: [OT] Malware alert?

Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> Doesn't make samba braindead though.  And with the advent of WSL,
                     ^^^^^^^^^ should read "not braindead". 



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#50748 — Re: [OT] Malware alert?

On 17 Sep 2018 11:35:59 GMT, Dan Purgert wrote:

> I've never seen FTP *not* work on iOS (at least insofar as running a
> client on said device).

The problem with FTP (or any server) on iOS isn't that it won't run.
It's that it won't access the "visible file system".

I had run every free server-related app on the App Store long ago.
And I had to finally give up.

Here's a screenshot taken just now of the "best" of the WiFi xfer apps:
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8827795ftponios.jpg>

All my apps are ordered in best to worst order, so the best is "WiFi HD".
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1568699wifihdtest.jpg>

Notice it has an HTTP server (it labels that as WiFi), an FTP server (it is
virtually useless), a USB button (requires iTunes on the host), etc. 

As with almost everything on iOS, it looks like it would be functional, but
it's severely constrained in that it won't see (under any condition) the
same "visible file system" that Ubuntu 18.04 will see when you connect by
USB.

> Granted, I *never* run "servers" on my mobile
> devices, as I don't trust mobile-device devs to not do something stupid
> like "oh, autostart when a new wifi network is detected".

Every server app I've tried on iOS is severely constrained to only see, at
best, its own and a couple other apps' file storage areas (e.g., VLC).

>> If we exclude iOS, FTP works ok (IMHO on Android.
>> The worst part of FTP on Windows is that Window is flaky (IMHO) when you
>> reconnect frequently using the native Windows File Explorer. 
> 
> Commandline on Windows has never been a problem for me.

If we exclude iOS from our cross-platform solution, then everything is
easy. The hard part is always coming up with a solution that is not only
available to everyone (i.e., it's free), but that it works on iOS as well
as it does with Android, Linux, and Windows.

> Good luck getting their corporate attitude to change :)

I've had fantastic success with defeating the walled garden.

My first success was using SharePod freeware (before they went over to the
dark side and required iTunes), which allowed me to plug in any iPod from
anywhere on the planet to any Windows desktop anywhere on the planet, and
copy MP3 files anywhere anyway I wanted.

Now that solution no longer exists - but the old (version 2.x and 3.x)
versions are still on my iPods and work great as "portable apps" (where the
3.x version requires Net Framework but not the 2.x versions).

I also have had fantastic success defeating the walled garden using the
brilliant method proposed here, which I wrote about many times, and which
was honed by the help of everyone.

What I find kind of hilarious is that people *think* they understand this
method, and they *think* it's obvious, but it's not. 

Most who think it's obvious (e.g., diesel) didn't even realize Windows is
never booted (he kept talking about WinXP compatibility). Now maybe Ubuntu
can't read WinXP filesystems, but I doubt it. Don't you?

Are there any (common typical normal) Windows filesystems that Ubuntu
doesn't automatically read?

NOTE: I am well aware, as is Paul, of the "special files" in the Windows
System directory which have some kind of NTFS-extensions which even Linux
can't read - but they're corner cases.

> Or, I just don't purchase devices that need workarounds to work the way
> I would like them to.  TBH, that's my go-to. :)

It's cheating to just give up! :)

I never lose. I've been asking for help on a.o.l for decades (Marek, God
bless him for example, wrote most of my vpn scripts), where I've never had
to just give up.

There is always a solution. As one example, the solution of making the
"visible file system" on iOS writeable is *not obvious*. 

I repeat. It's not obvious how to make the iOS file system read/write.
In fact, I had *forgotten* about that trick when I started the other
thread, which wrote to VLC's storage space, so it didn't need the trick.

But when I ran this speed test, I realized that I had forgotten the trick
to open up the iOS file system for writing - which - since nobody mentioned
it even though I asked the unbelievers, I know everyone is bullshitting me
when they say they do it all the time.

If they don't know that trick, they can't do it. 
They're just bullshitting me (like everyone loves to do).

I don't bullshit. 
I do what I say I do.

And one thing I don't do, is give up (until I have to).

> Doesn't make samba braindead though.  And with the advent of WSL,
> *apparently* windows is slightly less braindead with other options.  But
> I don't have a win-box laying around to test it with (nor do I care to
> have one)

I *love* Samba. As I noted, years ago, on Solaris/SunOS hardware, I set up
a company-wide system of "shared folders" so that everyone on the Mac
(columbia appletalk protocol, or just cap) could share files with those on
the PC (SMB) and on the UNIX workstations (Sun mostly).

That's when I ran into data forks and resource forks. Oh what great
memories you bring back! :)

I don't ever plan on being defeated - but that's why I ask for help a lot.

As for the Windows Subsystem for Linux, I'm not enamored by it, but there
is always Docker (which is different, I know), and VMs (again, different)
and Cygwin (different) and GNU coreutils
 <http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/coreutils.htm>
(which I think it was Paul who turned me on to that last one).

> Again, I don't run servers on my mobile devices, so the lack of an FTP
> server on iOS is itself a moot point.

Since almost everyone has a mobile device, I have to assume yours is
Android. The naysayers mentioned that MTP might not be compatible with
Ubuntu over USB on all versions of Android.

Setting up handfuls of Android devices on MTP has never been a problem for
me with this system, but I don't run exhaustive tests. Do you see any
reason why MTP wouldn't work just fine on most Android devices with Ubuntu
over USB?

> Again, I don't run servers on my mobile devices, so the lack of an HTTP
> server on iOS is itself a moot point.

There are more HTTP servers on iOS than FTP servers.
The problem are the same (they can't access the visible file system).

> It's hardly "genius".  It is, perhaps, non-obvious to the "learned
> computing well before USB was a thing" crowd; but in my experience,
> USB-to-USB is pretty ubiquitous. 

Actually, I've been in this cross-platform "business" for a long while, and
it *is* genius. 

To be clear, I'm not a genius (I'm not haughty) as none of this is "my
idea", as it's gleaned from pieces all over the world and from this and
other newsgroups (mostly android, iOS, and Windows).

If you haven't tried to solve the problem, you'll never realize the sheer
brilliance of this idea. 

In fact, I think anyone who doesn't think it's brilliant, doesn't
understand it (e.g., how do you write to iOS file systems?). By accident, I
missed that step since the original post didn't need to write to any
arbitrary visible area on iOS (it went into VLC) but the speed test did
need to write to the Photos area (or any other area).

*NOBODY can tell me when I challenged them how I did that!*

They actually don't know how.
They were bullshitting me. Every single one of them.

So rest assured, I'm not brilliant, but when people tell me that this
system is "obvious", I know they're full of shit - because it's not.

Most who tell me it's obvious completely misunderstand it, as Diesel did,
when he kept asking about Windows compatibility (which indicates he doesn't
even comprehend that Windows doesn't play a role, even though all the files
are on a Windows filesystem).

So most people who tell me it's obvious are just proving they don't
understand it and more importantly, that they've never once even done it.

Because even when I do it, I have to dig up the tricks to get the iOS file
system to open up a bit.

> An iDevice not needing iTunes is not, but I haven't bought one of those
> since I was in high school.

Rest assured, I never use the iTunes abomination. 

Even if it wasn't the canonical example of Orwellian restricted bloatware,
it's not cross platform (and no, WINE doesn't count).

> Honestly, raw transfer speed is the least of my concerns.  All of my
> devices run the "Owncloud Client", having a $HOME/owncloud directory (or
> relevant directory on non-Linux devices) that is automatically synced
> between all of them. 

I agree with you that raw transfer speeds at home aren't generally an
issue, where I use FTP servers all the time on mobile devices over the WiFI
network. 

Having a personal cloud directory is a good solution - and - in fact - it
almost certainly rivals the solution I propose - other than the one I
propose requires *zero* software not already on the devices.

Of course, the Windows users could rightly claim that Ubuntu is "software"
that wasn't originally on the device - so my claim is that the system is a
dual-boot system.

Some day will set up a personal cloud - but I haven't done that yet.

In the end, a personal cloud might be more elegant, but you *still* have
the problem of writing to the iOS mobile device (e.g., to download movies).

> In your opinion.  Perhaps other people have taken a (silent) look and
> have decided that HTTP (via owncloud) or SFTP (via openssh-server on a
> linux box ... or maybe WSL) transfers make for the more universally
> applicable approach.

How can any solution be universal when FTP on iOS can't access the visible
file system?

> I mean, your approach pretty much relies on physical access to your
> desktop.

Rest assured I used FTP when wires aren't apropos.
But then, I'm limited because FTP can't access the iOS visible file system.

The main open questions are:
a. Does Ubuntu recognize all common Windows filesystems (I think it does)
b. Does MTP work with most recent Android devices (my tests all work fine)
c. Does anyone have a better USB solution (I have never seen it proposed)

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#50752 — Re: [OT] Malware alert?

Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2018 11:35:59 GMT, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> I've never seen FTP *not* work on iOS (at least insofar as running a
>> client on said device).
>
> The problem with FTP (or any server) on iOS isn't that it won't run.
> It's that it won't access the "visible file system".

Oh, you're doing it backwards.  Stop trying to run the *server* on your
phone.
> Are there any (common typical normal) Windows filesystems that Ubuntu
> doesn't automatically read?

NTFS is the only "typically normal" Windows filesystem that I'm aware
of (as in ,I'm not sure Windows defaults to using anything else post
WinXP -- maybe exFAT these days?).  Both can (IIRC) be normally read
without trouble; writing to them is another matter entirely.

>
>> Or, I just don't purchase devices that need workarounds to work the way
>> I would like them to.  TBH, that's my go-to. :)
>
> It's cheating to just give up! :)

It's hardly "giving up" to simply live by "those cunts aren't getting my
hard-earned dollars."

>> Again, I don't run servers on my mobile devices, so the lack of an FTP
>> server on iOS is itself a moot point.
>
> Since almost everyone has a mobile device, I have to assume yours is
> Android. The naysayers mentioned that MTP might not be compatible with
> Ubuntu over USB on all versions of Android.

No idea. MTP has nothing to do with "I don't run servers on my mobiles."

> [...]
> In the end, a personal cloud might be more elegant, but you *still* have
> the problem of writing to the iOS mobile device (e.g., to download
> movies).

No, I dont.  I simply don't give Apple my money.

>
>> In your opinion.  Perhaps other people have taken a (silent) look and
>> have decided that HTTP (via owncloud) or SFTP (via openssh-server on a
>> linux box ... or maybe WSL) transfers make for the more universally
>> applicable approach.
>
> How can any solution be universal when FTP on iOS can't access the visible
> file system?

Don't run the server on the phone.  User selects whatever files to send.
Or not, Apple's never getting my money, so the shortcomings of their
platform don't matter.


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#50677 — Re: [OT] Malware alert?

On 14 Sep 2018 15:47:36 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I fail to see what is so fantastic or rare about that.

Hi Carlos,
I finally realized why you said that!

At first, I thought you didn't recognize the trick of using Linux.
Linux was used to read/write to the Windows file system.
That's because iOS won't work with Windows - but Linux will.

But then I realized you are probably unaware of other key issues.
You don't appear to understand how limited iOS is, compared to Android.

So the answer to your question is simply the answer to this question:

Q: What free software do you propose we install (particularly on iOS) that
will result in *better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) read/write
file-transfer to/from native Windows to/from any iOS/Android device, than
the USB-to-Windows-via-Linux method I outlined in the original post.

*I would _love_ if someone smarter than I, can answer _that_ question!!!*

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#50642

On 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> 1. Plug in the iPad or Android device - it automatically mounts.
>    <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>
> 2. Slide 14 files from one to the other in one swoop (either direction):
>    <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8157466usb02.jpg>
> 3. Elapsed time over old USB was a few seconds over two minutes for 4 GB:
>    <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2107706usb03.jpg>

Someone complained about the bild.me site, so I wrote this in response:


I've used http://bild.me for a long time where nobody complained.
But since there was a typo in the original files anyway, I modified them
just now, and uploaded them using http://fileconvoy.com

These files will be deleted in 21 days, but they're available now.
 <http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=gcb6a0b17f6ad694c1000113621fa665a5352f6f259>

If you have a better free no-reg photo upload site, let me know and I'll
use that instead.

Mainly, the screenshots simply prove I did the file transfer between the
mobile device and the Windows system disk, without even Windows being
booted (it needs to NOT be set to hibernate though).

I provide proof with screenshots since there is always a "genius" who
claims to have a "better" method which he can never explain.

I've been on Usenet for decades, where some "genius" always claims to have
a better file transfer method - which never exists when you ask for proof.

This cross platform file transfer method is the *best* I can think of,
since it has zero restrictions, it works on everything, and, it requires no
software other than what comes with a typical system. 

I doubt there is a *better* mechanism on this planet - but if you know of a
better mechanism for transferring large files between Windows and Ubuntu
and iOS and Android - please let us all know because this is as good as it
gets as far as I know.

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#50643

On 09/14/2018 12:31 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 14:41:40 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:
> 
>> 1. Plug in the iPad or Android device - it automatically mounts.
>>     <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8918650usb01.jpg>
>> 2. Slide 14 files from one to the other in one swoop (either direction):
>>     <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8157466usb02.jpg>
>> 3. Elapsed time over old USB was a few seconds over two minutes for 4 GB:
>>     <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2107706usb03.jpg>
> 
> Someone complained about the bild.me site, so I wrote this in response:
> 
> 
> I've used http://bild.me for a long time where nobody complained.
> But since there was a typo in the original files anyway, I modified them
> just now, and uploaded them using http://fileconvoy.com
> 
> These files will be deleted in 21 days, but they're available now.
>   <http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=gcb6a0b17f6ad694c1000113621fa665a5352f6f259>
> 
> If you have a better free no-reg photo upload site, let me know and I'll
> use that instead.
> 
> Mainly, the screenshots simply prove I did the file transfer between the
> mobile device and the Windows system disk, without even Windows being
> booted (it needs to NOT be set to hibernate though).
> 
> I provide proof with screenshots since there is always a "genius" who
> claims to have a "better" method which he can never explain.
> 
> I've been on Usenet for decades, where some "genius" always claims to have
> a better file transfer method - which never exists when you ask for proof.
> 
> This cross platform file transfer method is the *best* I can think of,
> since it has zero restrictions, it works on everything, and, it requires no
> software other than what comes with a typical system.
> 
> I doubt there is a *better* mechanism on this planet - but if you know of a
> better mechanism for transferring large files between Windows and Ubuntu
> and iOS and Android - please let us all know because this is as good as it
> gets as far as I know.
> 
 From Android to any pc (and maybe IOS, not sure since I have none), I 
use wi-fi xfer.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smarterdroid.wififiletransfer

Either this app from the play store or my file explorer will do it too. 
   Both apps on the phone launch into a web server and show you the 
address you put into your browser on the PC.

So any browser will then allow you to browse the phone.   The nice part 
about this is that the phone does not need to be tethered to the PC. 
And since it's browser based it's also oblivious to the PC platform.
No cables with either iPhone plug, Android plug, type C or B usb, nothing.

Al.

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#50645

On 14 Sep 2018 11:06:24 GMT, Big Al wrote:

>  From Android to any pc (and maybe IOS, not sure since I have none), I 
> use wi-fi xfer.
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smarterdroid.wififiletransfer
> 
> Either this app from the play store or my file explorer will do it too. 
>    Both apps on the phone launch into a web server and show you the 
> address you put into your browser on the PC.
> 
> So any browser will then allow you to browse the phone.   The nice part 
> about this is that the phone does not need to be tethered to the PC. 
> And since it's browser based it's also oblivious to the PC platform.
> No cables with either iPhone plug, Android plug, type C or B usb, nothing.

Hi Al,
The summary is that you're right, but there is a better method, IMHO, than
what you suggest, if you're going to use FTP servers on the mobile device.

HINT: Don't use a web browser, which, while it has portability advantages,
sucks when the files are tremendous in number and size and locations.

Rest assured we know what we're doing.
That's why I'm pretty confident nobody can come up with a better solution.

But I'm *happy* if people have new ideas - but we've long ago fleshed out
all server possibilities (unless new standards arise, which can happen).

In fact, we've tested for years _all_ the known free FTP solutions and
written them up many times, on these same newsgroups, where, *all* the
desktop operating systems will handle the FTP addressing scheme.
   ftp://machine-name-or-ip-address/sharename

That means Ubuntu's Nautilus & Dolphin respect that addressing scheme
That means Windows' File Explorer networking respects that scheme

However, the FTP addressing scheme is slightly more complex than USB (see
details below) and it's less compatible across platforms (hint, everything
is harder with iOS when you actually interface to the real world), and it's
certainly slower (depending on a lot of factors) than USB is typically
(wait for the Apple Apologist nospam to jump on that one with his
outlandish claims).

So we've already covered FTP cross-platform sharing in depth between the
desktops (Windows & Linux) and the mobile devices (iOS and Android).

We even covered, long ago, which is the *best* (bar none) freeware FTP
server for both Android and iOS in order to make this method work. 
HINT: It matters greatly, particularly on iOS, but even on Android.

Furthermore, we covered how to lock the IP address so that the FTP
addressing scheme works flawlessly, where Android has the ability to
connect via a given IP address to your router, and where your router has
the ability to hand your Android device the same IP address each time.

The FTP scheme has an advantage over USB in that it work over the local LAN
(and it will even work over the Internet, although that's not the purpose
here). 

The main disadvantage of the FTP server method, unless you have a super
fast network and super slow USB hardware, is speed.

Here are some related URLs for reference:
 How to mount the entire mobile device file system on Windows 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/ix8xgTcexAY/dlY4nLMfAgAJ>

  How to mount the entire mobile device file system on Linux 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/oNe2gAEQPjA/fa4MVadOAgAJ>

  How to mount the entire mobile device file system on the Mac 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/o-5nLy7Cs-4/WYgJuCUZCQAJ>

 All I want is to easily transfer files from Android to Linux using WiFi 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/FaoR_SLSyTc/aTZCryiACQAJ>
etc.

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#50647

On 14 Sep 2018 21:01:58 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> In fact, we've tested for years _all_ the known free FTP solutions and
> written them up many times, on these same newsgroups, where, *all* the
> desktop operating systems will handle the FTP addressing scheme.
>    ftp://machine-name-or-ip-address/sharename
> 
> That means Ubuntu's Nautilus & Dolphin respect that addressing scheme
> That means Windows' File Explorer networking respects that scheme

In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP server
runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to most desktops), in
general, you want the server to be on the more powerful less io-limited
desktops, if you can work that out. 

Also, since technical details matter when performing cross platform
connections, for the FTP-server method, the mobile device machine name
generally needs to be in the HOSTS file.

The IP address always works, but that brings up the complexities inherent
in the mobile devices constantly coming on and going off your local
network, where their IP address "can" change.

We studied these changes in detail a few years ago, where they're
remarkably consistent in most situations, but the fact is that the IP
address "can" change unless you fix it permanently on your local LAN.

I don't think we ever solved that problem for iOS specifically, but for
Android, there is an easy way to connect to any particular access point and
have the Android device *request* the same IP address each time it connects
to your home router. (I have iOS so I can test it - but generally iOS is
vastly limited when dealing with the real world - since Apple simply says
the real world is "not supported").

Even so, you don't *need* to request a specific IP address on the mobile
device to lock it down, since the router can *assign* the same address
every time to a particular MAC address on the mobile device (whether that
be an iOS or Android mobile device).

In summary, the FTP server solution is elegant in that it allows the
desktop to see the entire visible file system of every mobile device on the
local network, but you have to know how to deal with the problems of:
a. Locking the mobile device IP address
b. Using a suitable desktop "file explorer" (Hint: We browsers suck.)
c. Dealing with much slower speeds (compared to USB)

Of course, you don't have to lock the mobile device IP address; you can
address it dynamically; but if you do that, you negate point and click
advantages. 

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#50648

In article <pnh8h3$ndt$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> Also, since technical details matter when performing cross platform
> connections, for the FTP-server method, the mobile device machine name
> generally needs to be in the HOSTS file.

nope.

> The IP address always works, but that brings up the complexities inherent
> in the mobile devices constantly coming on and going off your local
> network, where their IP address "can" change.

that doesn't matter and there is no complexity, other than what you're
creating for yourself.

> We studied these changes in detail a few years ago, where they're
> remarkably consistent in most situations, but the fact is that the IP
> address "can" change unless you fix it permanently on your local LAN.

there's no need to do that.

> I don't think we ever solved that problem for iOS specifically,

you didn't, but others certainly have, and not just ios either.

> but for
> Android, there is an easy way to connect to any particular access point and
> have the Android device *request* the same IP address each time it connects
> to your home router.

that's not specific to android, and also not needed.





> Of course, you don't have to lock the mobile device IP address; you can
> address it dynamically; but if you do that, you negate point and click
> advantages. 

absolutely false.

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#50649

On 14 Sep 2018 14:31:56 GMT, nospam wrote:


> nope.
> 

> that doesn't matter and there is no complexity, other than what you're
> creating for yourself.

> there's no need to do that.

> you didn't, but others certainly have, and not just ios either.

> that's not specific to android, and also not needed.

> absolutely false.

As always, the Apple Apologist nospam proves in every post that all he
_can_ do, is play his fifth-grade silly semantic games. 

The Apple Apologist nospam is heavy on the denials & light on details.

I've been on Usenet for decades, where the people like nospam brazenly
fabricate imaginary functionality that they can never actually perform.

Let's see if nospam can act like an *adult* for once, shall we?

Let's see if nospam can snap a screenshot of what he is denying above.

Cmon nospam. A screenshot. Like I did. 
How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
HINT: Extremely hard - since he never seems to ever come up with proof.

In fact, I snapped that screenshot on Linux and it showed up in Windows
where I edited it, and had I snapped a scresnshot of my mobile device, it
too would have automatically showed up on both Linux and Windows file
explorers for editing and upload for distribution on Usenet.

--
HINT: Apple Apologists like nospam live in an imaginary world.

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#50650

In article <pnha1u$poa$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?

learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further

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#50651

On 09/14/2018 05:51 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <pnha1u$poa$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
>> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
> 
> learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further
> 
I agree with nospam.   I can make a device static in my router solving 
the IP address thing, but when launching a FTP server on the phone it 
shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing 
daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

I do have to bow to your comment about the pipeline with FTP.  It's 
slower by a mile over a USB cable.

I was just bringing up other ways.   And for uploading ringtones etc, or 
a few family photos, the ftp / browser method is easy and time is not an 
issue.

Al.  PS. you need not counter reply.  I've quit reading the thread.

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#50652

On 09/14/2018 05:51 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <pnha1u$poa$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
> <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
>> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
> 
> learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further
> 
I agree with nospam.   I can make a device static in my router solving 
the IP address thing, but when launching a FTP server on the phone it 
shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing 
daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

I do have to bow to your comment about the pipeline with FTP.  It's 
slower by a mile over a USB cable.

I was just bringing up other ways.   And for uploading ringtones etc, or 
a few family photos, the ftp / browser method is easy and time is not an 
issue.

Al.  PS. you need not counter reply.  I've quit reading the thread.

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#50655

In article <pnhb3b$pak$1@dont-email.me>, Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com>
wrote:

> >> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
> > 
> > learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further
> > 
> I agree with nospam.   I can make a device static in my router solving 
> the IP address thing, 

no need to use static ip. use its dhcp name:
<http://cache-www.linksys.com/support/images/KB25661-006_EN_v8.png>

> but when launching a FTP server on the phone it 
> shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing 
> daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

no need to run an ftp server on a phone either, and there are much
better options than ftp anyway.

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#50656

On 14 Sep 2018 15:01:15 GMT, Big Al wrote:

> I agree with nospam.  

Given nospam just guesses, what *fact* do you agree with him on? 

From what you and nospam prove you post, it seems neither of you have any
comprehension whatsoever of how much we already covered in the past on this
newsgroup about this problem set.

For just one of many examples:
  Is there an easy way to get photos off Android locally onto Linux 
  without USB? 
  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/eLgDUDlQ9i8/w2Go7A2ffAUJ>

HINT: Please tell us something we don't already know.

> I can make a device static in my router solving 
> the IP address thing, but when launching a FTP server on the phone it 
> shows the address to put in your browser, even if the IP is changing 
> daily, at that moment I get the current IP.

You don't appear to realize how much we know about this problem set.
We've covered it in detail ever since Android & iOS devices existed.

HINT: 
  How does setting a static IP on a mobile device prevent the
  router from assigning that IP address? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/KPEz2M16sTU%5B126-150%5D>


> I do have to bow to your comment about the pipeline with FTP.  It's 
> slower by a mile over a USB cable.

This is your first adult comment, where I treat you as an adult when you
act like an adult.

I agree with your fact that FTP is slower than USB.
I also agree a priori that FTP has the advantage of not needing cable.

Another fact you don't seem to comprehend yet is that running a server on a
puny mobile device (which is not optimmized for i/o transactions), is
problematic, compared to using the server mechanism on the desktop.

HINT: Many people have tried using SMB servers on Linux and Windows, but
they're problematic in how the mobile device SMB client is typically
restricted in ports (where Frank Slootweg has a good handle on this problem
set).

So I agree with your FTP premise - but I add technical details that you
haven't shown a comprehension of yet (e.g., FTP, like it or not, is using
both port 21 and 22 for different things, at least by default).

If you don't actually comprehend these technical details, then of course
you might assume (erroneously) that FTP is simpler than USB. 

But it's not.

For another example of your premise related to FTP simplicity, based on
what you wrote about using a web browser as the FTP client, you don't seem
to comprehend that a web browser is a *terrible* (IMHO) way to manage
numerous large files in multiple places, particularly of different filename
extensions (somewhat related to MIME types complexities).

I posit that FTP cross platform file transfer is more complex than is USB.
It just is.

If you wish to debate that fact, then we should take that elsewhere since
the problems are well known to most adults who comprehend the difference
between how a "file explorer" works (such as Nautilus or Dolphin or Windows
File Explorer, etc.) and how a web browser works, particularly when we're
talking about executables, PDF files, html files, mkv container files, jpeg
files, etc.

> I was just bringing up other ways.   

I appreciate that you are acting like an adult in bringing up other ways.

Rest assured we have covered the FTP server angle numerous times here.

For example:
  Using FTP to xfr files between a Windows PC and an Android device 
  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/JUCDP5P4r_Y/rc-sy9BLAgAJ>

> And for uploading ringtones etc, or 
> a few family photos, the ftp / browser method is easy and time is not an 
> issue.

Agreed that if the problem set is trivial, then the solutions are trivial.
Adults easily agree on facts. 

Facts are funny that way.

> PS. you need not counter reply.  I've quit reading the thread.

When you act like a child, I treat you how you act.

HINT: Every fifth grader thinks your childish retort is hilariously clever.

*All you proved, by what you wrote, is that your mind is already closed.*

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#50657

In article <pnhciv$tu6$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> 
> You don't appear to realize how much we know about this problem set.

'we' know more than you do.



>   How does setting a static IP on a mobile device prevent the
>   router from assigning that IP address? 

because it's static. duh.




> I agree with your fact that FTP is slower than USB.

that sentence makes no sense.




> I also agree a priori that FTP has the advantage of not needing cable.

that's not unique to ftp.

other than power delivery, a cable is not needed.

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#50659

On 14 Sep 2018 15:32:26 GMT, nospam wrote:

> 'we' know more than you do.

*What *better* cross-platform USB file transfer method do you propose?*

Your childish fifth-grade posts are enjoyed by children I'm sure.
But adults find your unsubstantiated childish retorts patently unhelpful.
*Let's see, nospam, whether you show a *better* USB method than proposed.*

Keeping on topic, all the adults here just want to learn.

Hence, keeping on topic, if you, or anyone else, has a *better* method to
*simultaneously* transfer large sets of disparate files over USB between
all four platforms (read and write), then now is the time to state your
proven facts.

*What *better* cross-platform USB file transfer method do you propose?*

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#50653

On 14 Sep 2018 14:51:48 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> How hard would it be for nospam to *prove* something he says?
> 
> learn about dns before you embarrass yourself any further

Childish fifth graders make claims like you do without backing any up.
Adults back up their claims with facts.

*I only speak facts.* 
And my intent is to be purposefully helpful to those who don't know facts.

The fact is, that simply plugging in a mobile device to a properly
configured Windows or Linux system, allows complete automatic read/write
access to the entire visible file systems of all four file systems,
simultaneously.

That's a fact.

In my twenty years of Usenet posting, you've never found an incorrect fact
from me (even though you've desperately tried).

*Since you simply guess at everything, you almost always guess wrong.*

You prove yourself, that you're incapable of acting like an adult.
Adults can easily agree on facts. 
Facts are funny that way.

What's interesting is that you got your head handed to you on the Linux
groups when you spouted similar unsupported unwarranted DNS claims.
  How does setting a static IP on a mobile device prevent the
  router from assigning that IP address? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/KPEz2M16sTU%5B126-150%5D>

You make outlandish unproven claims, which you can *never* back up.

*Let's see you back up a *single* claim of yours, with screenshots.*

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#50654

In article <pnhbed$rr6$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> In my twenty years of Usenet posting, you've never found an incorrect fact
> from me (even though you've desperately tried).

never mind 20 years. finding 'incorrect facts' from you takes less than
20 seconds.




> What's interesting is that you got your head handed to you on the Linux
> groups when you spouted similar unsupported unwarranted DNS claims.

another one of your 'incorrect facts'.

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