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  Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 10:41 -0700
    Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 11:47 -0700
    Re: Live opensuse boot problems "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-05-09 21:04 +0200
      Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 12:27 -0700
        Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 12:52 -0700
          Re: Live opensuse boot problems "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-05-09 22:36 +0200
        Re: Live opensuse boot problems "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-05-09 22:33 +0200
    Re: Live opensuse boot problems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-05-09 17:21 -0400
      Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 17:31 -0700
        Re: Live opensuse boot problems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-05-09 20:42 -0400
          Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 17:55 -0700
            Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 18:01 -0700
            Re: Live opensuse boot problems "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-05-10 04:26 +0200
              Re: Live opensuse boot problems William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-05-10 04:05 +0000
                Re: Live opensuse boot problems "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-05-10 13:13 +0200
        Re: Live opensuse boot problems Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-05-09 18:25 -0700
        Re: Live opensuse boot problems "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-05-10 04:27 +0200

#56135 — Live opensuse boot problems

The Leap v. of OpenSuse 15 has 3 live versions available, KDE, Gnome, & 
XFCE (called rescue)*.  I can successfully boot the XFCE, but neither of 
the KDE or Gnome because of what I'm guessing is a graphics problem.  I 
have successfully booted each of them once in the default mode, but 
subsequently and w/ a variety of modified boot parameters, I can't boot 
either again.

The hardware in question is 8G ram and the vid is Radeon HD 4200 and 
such as Kub 19.04 loads the radeon driver.  I considered conversing in 
the opensuse forum but the registration requires too much personal info 
(reg to opensuse, suse, novell, NetIQ, PartnerNet); one reg portal I 
'accidentally' came across was reasonable requesting only an email, but 
now I can't find that one again.

When the boot fails it ends at OK 'started x display manager' and there 
are a couple of minor failures before that involving systemd; locale 
service, postfix mail transport agent, and hostname service.  There is 
also an 'error error' about 'no UMS in radeon module' which I once tho't 
was important but now disregard as not being *useful*.


* found here  https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/leap


-- 
Mike Easter

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#56136

Mike Easter wrote:
> but now I can't find that one again.

Aha.  Found it.  In case anyone is likely to do that forum:

Good reg page: 
https://www.microfocus.com/selfreg/jsp/createOpenSuseAccount.jsp?login=Sign+up

Bad reg page is when the register process link goes to suse instead. 
https://www.suse.com/selfreg/jsp/createAccount.jsp

The whole behavior is very dependent upon cookie management, which is 
somewhat of a mess.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56138

On 09/05/2019 19.41, Mike Easter wrote:
> The Leap v. of OpenSuse 15 has 3 live versions available, KDE, Gnome, &
> XFCE (called rescue)*.  I can successfully boot the XFCE, but neither of
> the KDE or Gnome because of what I'm guessing is a graphics problem.  I
> have successfully booted each of them once in the default mode, but
> subsequently and w/ a variety of modified boot parameters, I can't boot
> either again.

Er... why not post on the alt.os.linux.suse group?

openSUSE Leap comes in versions 42.3, 15.0 and 15.1 Beta. There is no
version 15.

> 
> The hardware in question is 8G ram and the vid is Radeon HD 4200 and
> such as Kub 19.04 loads the radeon driver.  I considered conversing in
> the opensuse forum but the registration requires too much personal info
> (reg to opensuse, suse, novell, NetIQ, PartnerNet); one reg portal I
> 'accidentally' came across was reasonable requesting only an email, but
> now I can't find that one again.

I don't remember the URL, but I can ask for you.

Try this route. Go to:

<https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/index.cgi>

Click on login, then on create account. It requires first/last names,
company (tick no company), country and email address.  The rest is
login/password.


If you registered previously, just use the recover password link
associated with your mail address. Don't try to register again, that
would need a human to recover from that situation.

The registration for all openSUSE services works on any of the services
and "companies", it is a single verification. They ask for more detail
on the business page.


> When the boot fails it ends at OK 'started x display manager' and there
> are a couple of minor failures before that involving systemd; locale
> service, postfix mail transport agent, and hostname service.  There is
> also an 'error error' about 'no UMS in radeon module' which I once tho't
> was important but now disregard as not being *useful*.

Well, knowing exact details is important.  But for this type of problems
I would recommend the Install/Boot/Login forum.

By the way, I just tried the registration form at the forum, and it only
asks for name and email. And country. I don't see that as intrusive? The
old one asked for postal address and much more.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56139

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> The Leap v. of OpenSuse 15 has 3 live versions available,
> 
> Er... why not post on the alt.os.linux.suse group?
> 
It looks dead to me.  My news provider keeps 943 days for the group and 
there are 2 msgs, 1 each in 2017 & 2019.

> openSUSE Leap comes in versions 42.3, 15.0 and 15.1 Beta. There is no
> version 15.

I guess I considered 15.0 to be called 15.

>> now I can't find that one again.
> 
> I don't remember the URL, but I can ask for you.

I've got it now, tnx.

> The registration for all openSUSE services works on any of the services
> and "companies", it is a single verification. They ask for more detail
> on the business page.
>Yeah.
> 
> Well, knowing exact details is important.  But for this type of problems
> I would recommend the Install/Boot/Login forum.
> 
I'm there now.

Personally I like ng/s better than webforums, but sometimes webforum 
becomes 'necessary' :-)

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56140

Mike Easter wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> Er... why not post on the alt.os.linux.suse group?
>>
> It looks dead to me.  
> 
> Personally I like ng/s better than webforums, but sometimes webforum 
> becomes 'necessary' :-)
> 
There is a lot more activity on the opensuse mailing list than the aols 
group, which mailing list is also carried on gmane's nntp.

I hadn't used gmane in a long time; apparently the web version died.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56143

On 09/05/2019 21.52, Mike Easter wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>>> Er... why not post on the alt.os.linux.suse group?
>>>
>> It looks dead to me. 
>> Personally I like ng/s better than webforums, but sometimes webforum
>> becomes 'necessary' :-)
>>
> There is a lot more activity on the opensuse mailing list than the aols
> group, which mailing list is also carried on gmane's nntp.
> 
> I hadn't used gmane in a long time; apparently the web version died.
> 

If you want to use the mail list, try opensuse@opensuse.org.
Alternatively opensuse-support@opensuse.org.

I suggested the forum because it has one forum dedicated to boot and
installation problems, and has more traffic than the mail lists currently.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56142

On 09/05/2019 21.27, Mike Easter wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> The Leap v. of OpenSuse 15 has 3 live versions available,
>>
>> Er... why not post on the alt.os.linux.suse group?
>>
> It looks dead to me.  My news provider keeps 943 days for the group and
> there are 2 msgs, 1 each in 2017 & 2019.

It isn't. 4 messages this month, 21 past month. You are probably looking
at alt.os.linux.opensuse instead.

Yes, the correct group should be the opensuse one, but people use the
suse one instead. That can't be helped.

>> openSUSE Leap comes in versions 42.3, 15.0 and 15.1 Beta. There is no
>> version 15.
> 
> I guess I considered 15.0 to be called 15.

Nope. The business version, SLE, is called 15, and has service packs 0,
1... Leap instead has versions 15.0, 15.1, ... etc.


>>> now I can't find that one again.
>>
>> I don't remember the URL, but I can ask for you.
> 
> I've got it now, tnx.
> 
>> The registration for all openSUSE services works on any of the services
>> and "companies", it is a single verification. They ask for more detail
>> on the business page.
>> Yeah.
>>
>> Well, knowing exact details is important.  But for this type of problems
>> I would recommend the Install/Boot/Login forum.
>>
> I'm there now.

They are very knowledgeable, trust me :-)

> Personally I like ng/s better than webforums, but sometimes webforum
> becomes 'necessary' :-)

Me thinks the same :-)

There is an nntp gateway for the forum, if you want to use it. But it
has its own nuances.

Otherwise, there is also a bunch of mail lists. You can find me there,
not on the forum.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56144

Mike Easter wrote:
> The Leap v. of OpenSuse 15 has 3 live versions available, KDE, Gnome, & 
> XFCE (called rescue)*.  I can successfully boot the XFCE, but neither of 
> the KDE or Gnome because of what I'm guessing is a graphics problem.  I 
> have successfully booted each of them once in the default mode, but 
> subsequently and w/ a variety of modified boot parameters, I can't boot 
> either again.
> 
> The hardware in question is 8G ram and the vid is Radeon HD 4200 and 
> such as Kub 19.04 loads the radeon driver.  I considered conversing in 
> the opensuse forum but the registration requires too much personal info 
> (reg to opensuse, suse, novell, NetIQ, PartnerNet); one reg portal I 
> 'accidentally' came across was reasonable requesting only an email, but 
> now I can't find that one again.
> 
> When the boot fails it ends at OK 'started x display manager' and there 
> are a couple of minor failures before that involving systemd; locale 
> service, postfix mail transport agent, and hostname service.  There is 
> also an 'error error' about 'no UMS in radeon module' which I once tho't 
> was important but now disregard as not being *useful*.
> 
> 
> * found here  https://software.opensuse.org/distributions/leap
> 
> 

Your breadcrumb is a start.

'no UMS in radeon module'

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/273471/how-to-solve-drmradeon-init-radeon-error-no-ums-support-in-radeon-module

    radeon.modeset=1

Edit the grub and change it etc.

   Paul

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#56145

Paul wrote:
>     radeon.modeset=1
> 
> Edit the grub and change it etc.

That is correct; and/but I had already tried that w/o success

It turns out that the problem was a subtle-y borked USB.  Tried a 
different USB and included the above for the radeon and got the 
successful boot, which also /held/.

Another problem w/ the USB effect was that on the rare occasion when it 
could boot w/ gfx, in a short while the vid would die/fail/ go out/ for 
'no good reason', as they say.

I got some diligent help from Malcolm in the opensuse forum; he had a 
same vid hardware and confirmed his booted the live ok and even 
experimented w/ rufus, not his usual writer because at one point he 
suspected the image write.

I was also able to get both good and bad results from an Etcher write on 
the bad USB.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56146

Mike Easter wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>>     radeon.modeset=1
>>
>> Edit the grub and change it etc.
> 
> That is correct; and/but I had already tried that w/o success
> 
> It turns out that the problem was a subtle-y borked USB.  Tried a 
> different USB and included the above for the radeon and got the 
> successful boot, which also /held/.
> 
> Another problem w/ the USB effect was that on the rare occasion when it 
> could boot w/ gfx, in a short while the vid would die/fail/ go out/ for 
> 'no good reason', as they say.
> 
> I got some diligent help from Malcolm in the opensuse forum; he had a 
> same vid hardware and confirmed his booted the live ok and even 
> experimented w/ rufus, not his usual writer because at one point he 
> suspected the image write.
> 
> I was also able to get both good and bad results from an Etcher write on 
> the bad USB.
> 

Some distros used to have some sort of test/verify that
the media was good. Is there still one of those available,
before re-writing the USB stick and trying to fix it ?
It was based on a hash per major file on the media.
Likely one for the squashfs and so on.

    Paul

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#56147

Paul wrote:
> Some distros used to have some sort of test/verify that
> the media was good. Is there still one of those available,
> before re-writing the USB stick and trying to fix it ?
> It was based on a hash per major file on the media.
> Likely one for the squashfs and so on.

The opensuse live boot menu has a media check, but I'm not sure exactly 
what it does.  I'm running it on the bad usb.

It is loading some kind of linux.

It looks like it gives a report on the md5 of the .iso that was written 
to the USB.  There's nothing wrong there.

At the end of that process it stops at the common boot failure text 
which says:

Welcome to openSUSE Leap 15.0 - Kernel 4.12.14 etc default (tty1)

localhost login:

I'm going to do that again; an important screen exited itself too 
quickly for me.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56148

Mike Easter wrote:
> It looks like it gives a report on the md5 of the .iso that was written 
> to the USB.  There's nothing wrong there.

That media check doesn't solve the problem of determining if there is 
something wrong w/ the USB.  The .iso had also been checked before I 
wrote it to the USB.

Maybe I don't understand correctly what happens when a USB is 'acting 
up' like this.  I'm going to use some other tools to look at it.  Some 
are non-destructive.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56154

On 10/05/2019 02.55, Mike Easter wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> Some distros used to have some sort of test/verify that
>> the media was good. Is there still one of those available,
>> before re-writing the USB stick and trying to fix it ?
>> It was based on a hash per major file on the media.
>> Likely one for the squashfs and so on.
> 
> The opensuse live boot menu has a media check, but I'm not sure exactly
> what it does.  I'm running it on the bad usb.

It only works on CDs. If it runs it will always say it is a bad CD or
similar, unless they got around to solve the check for USB case.

On CDs, it does a checksum test.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56157

On 2019-05-10, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/05/2019 02.55, Mike Easter wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> Some distros used to have some sort of test/verify that
>>> the media was good. Is there still one of those available,
>>> before re-writing the USB stick and trying to fix it ?
>>> It was based on a hash per major file on the media.
>>> Likely one for the squashfs and so on.
>> 
>> The opensuse live boot menu has a media check, but I'm not sure exactly
>> what it does.  I'm running it on the bad usb.
>
> It only works on CDs. If it runs it will always say it is a bad CD or
> similar, unless they got around to solve the check for USB case.

The problem on the usb i that it runs the checksum on the whole >
usba including all those 0 at the ned. thus youmust use the actual size
of the image
dd if=/dev/sdc bs=<N> count=<M> |md5sum

where the numbers <N> and <M> are replaced by two numbers whose product
exactly equals the length of the iso file written to the USB. That sdc
should be replaced by the full disk name of the usb witout a partition
number.

>On CDs, it does a checksum test.

"it" means what?

>

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#56161

On 10/05/2019 06.05, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2019-05-10, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 10/05/2019 02.55, Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> Some distros used to have some sort of test/verify that
>>>> the media was good. Is there still one of those available,
>>>> before re-writing the USB stick and trying to fix it ?
>>>> It was based on a hash per major file on the media.
>>>> Likely one for the squashfs and so on.
>>>
>>> The opensuse live boot menu has a media check, but I'm not sure exactly
>>> what it does.  I'm running it on the bad usb.
>>
>> It only works on CDs. If it runs it will always say it is a bad CD or
>> similar, unless they got around to solve the check for USB case.
> 
> The problem on the usb i that it runs the checksum on the whole >
> usba including all those 0 at the ned. thus youmust use the actual size
> of the image
> dd if=/dev/sdc bs=<N> count=<M> |md5sum
> 
> where the numbers <N> and <M> are replaced by two numbers whose product
> exactly equals the length of the iso file written to the USB. That sdc
> should be replaced by the full disk name of the usb witout a partition
> number.
> 
>> On CDs, it does a checksum test.
> 
> "it" means what?

The entry on the boot menu to verify media. We are talking about it all
this time.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#56149

Mike Easter wrote:
> Tried a different USB and included the above for the radeon and got the 
> successful boot, which also /held/.

Also, this opensuse 15.0 Gnome is the 2nd system that I've gotten a 
Wayland up; the first was Fed30.

inxi -GSxxc 0
System:    Host: localhost Kernel: 4.12.14-lp150.12.58-default x86_64
            bits: 64 gcc: 7.3.1
            Desktop: Gnome 3.26.2 (Gtk 3.22.30) dm: gdm
            Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.0
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]
            bus-ID: 01:05.0 chip-ID: 1002:9710
            Display Server: wayland (X.Org 1.19.6 ) driver: radeon
            Resolution: 1280x1024@59.89hz
            OpenGL: renderer: AMD RS880 (DRM 2.50.0 / 
4.12.14-lp150.12.58-default, LLVM 5.0.1)
            version: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.2 (compat-v: 3.0) Direct Render: Yes

-- 
Mike Easter

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#56155

On 10/05/2019 02.31, Mike Easter wrote:
> I got some diligent help from Malcolm in the opensuse forum;

He is also active at the alt.os.linux.suse group here.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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