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  Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 09:14 +0000
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 10:17 +0000
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 11:49 +0000
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-01-11 07:13 -0500
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 13:09 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-11 07:23 -0600
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> - 2019-01-11 14:28 +0100
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 13:59 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-11 09:22 -0600
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 04:27 -0800
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 04:58 -0800
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 05:24 -0800
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 15:01 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 07:59 -0800
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 08:12 -0800
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 04:21 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 08:22 -0800
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-11 13:58 +0000
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-11 14:23 +0000
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-11 17:02 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 06:11 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 12:32 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-14 18:01 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 21:16 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-15 20:42 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 01:00 -0600
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-17 11:37 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-17 20:03 +0000
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2019-01-11 10:20 -0500
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-11 11:34 -0500
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-11 15:54 -0600
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-01-11 14:33 -0800
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-11 22:28 -0600
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-12 10:25 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-12 14:45 +0100
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:28 +0000
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-14 12:34 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-01-12 18:27 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-11 17:34 -0500
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-13 14:09 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-13 14:08 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 00:56 -0600
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-13 14:07 +0000
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-13 10:07 -0600
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> - 2019-01-14 07:40 +0000
      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-13 05:23 +0000
        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 00:50 -0600
          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-17 20:03 +0000
            Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 19:23 -0600
              Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-18 06:24 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 01:38 -0600
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 14:24 +0000
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:06 -0600
                      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:19 +0000
                        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 15:28 +0000
                          Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:55 +0000
                        Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:31 -0600
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 13:58 +0000
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:00 -0600
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:05 +0000
                      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:28 -0600
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-18 10:41 -0500
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:58 +0000
                Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-18 10:33 -0500
                  Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:52 -0600
                    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-21 01:33 +0000
                      Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-20 23:37 -0600
    Re: Can we come up with a free, ad free, cloud-free calendaring system that works with Windows and Linux and mobile devices? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 02:22 +0000

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#52632

On 1/11/2019 9:54 PM, Wildman wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Big Al wrote:
>>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>>
>>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you walk
>>> out the door?
>>>
>>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the
>>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That be
>>> unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method of
>>> sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
>>
>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
> 
> I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
> year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
> 
I know people who will admit to that.

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#52702

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:08:01 +0000
Martin Edwards <buzzard554@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 1/11/2019 9:54 PM, Wildman wrote:

[...]
> > 
> > I know a guy that has been using a smart phone for over a
> > year and he no smarter that he was when he started.
> >   
> I know people who will admit to that.

I will readily admit to that.  OTOH, I now have access to /all/ the
knowledge available online worldwide and almost instantly at the touch
of my voice pretty much anywhere in the US of A and, because of that
access, I think that I do /know/ more now, even if I'm no smarter.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Drat these computers.  They are so naughty and so complex.  I could
pinch them. 
	Marvin the Martian

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#52631

On 1/11/2019 4:34 PM, Paul wrote:
> Big Al wrote:
>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>
>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you 
>> walk out the door?
>>
>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That 
>> be unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method of 
>> sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
> 
> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
> so the need for a "vast heterogenous solution" is a waste of time.
> 
>     Paul
I don't have a smartphone, and I opted for paper bills when utilities 
tried to get me to go paperless.  Systems can break down, you see.

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#52635

On 01/13/2019 8:07 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
> On 1/11/2019 4:34 PM, Paul wrote:
>> Big Al wrote:
>>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>>
>>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you 
>>> walk out the door?
>>>
>>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
>>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That 
>>> be unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method 
>>> of sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
>>
>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>> so the need for a "vast heterogenous solution" is a waste of time.
>>
>>     Paul
> I don't have a smartphone, and I opted for paper bills when utilities 
> tried to get me to go paperless.  Systems can break down, you see.

Paperless Office hasn't worked out so good, Neither has paperless 
bathroom.  :-)

Rene

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#52650

On 1/13/2019 4:07 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 01/13/2019 8:07 AM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> On 1/11/2019 4:34 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/19 4:14 AM, arlen holder wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Any suggestions for that basic common goal?
>>>>>
>>>> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you 
>>>> walk out the door?
>>>>
>>>> You now have a great phone and you can't access you calendar at the 
>>>> doctor to see if April 4th at 10am will conflict with anyone.   That 
>>>> be unless your phone is the holder of the main files, or the method 
>>>> of sharing provides for making copies on you local device.
>>>
>>> Most people now, organize their lives around a smart phone,
>>> so the need for a "vast heterogenous solution" is a waste of time.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>> I don't have a smartphone, and I opted for paper bills when utilities 
>> tried to get me to go paperless.  Systems can break down, you see.
> 
> Paperless Office hasn't worked out so good, Neither has paperless 
> bathroom.  :-)
> 
> Rene
> 
You can get special paint for bathrooms and kitchens.

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#52629

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:20:58 -0500, Big Al wrote:

> I'll play devil's advocate, what good does any of this do when you walk 
> out the door?

It's a valid question, where I'll assume you already know the server/client
conclusions I belatedly came to after long though, which are explained to
Mike Easter et. al in this updated post:
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/2tzv74EJY_s/iDfTeXWlEAAJ>
o Linux server (it's a home-based CalDAV server)
o Android/Windows/Linux clients (essentially, it's a home-based "dropbox")

Both server & client solutions should work rather well even after you walk
out the door (i.e., a CalDAV server running on a raspberry pi or old
plugged-in Linux laptop) simply because you will already have the latest
calendar on your mobile device at the time you "walk out the door".

AT HOME:
o At home, you manually pass iCalendar text files between PC & mobile.

OUT THE DOOR:
o When you leave the house, you have the *latest* calendar files on both.
o If you need to *update* your calendar, you manually update on the device.

BACK AT HOME:
o At return, you again manually pass iCalendar files between PC & mobile.

The good news is that, at least with Android (not so much for iOS), you can
easily save the ics calendar files in a single location that all devices
can access.

Unfortunately, SMB is "problematic" on un-rooted Android, but a WebDAV or
FTP server is quite easily set up on Android, such that Windows/Linux has
no problem getting and putting files from and to Android over the WiFi LAN.

Likewise, USB works fine for Android on both Linux & Windows, such that
copying the files between the two platforms is as easy as sliding them back
and forth using the native Android/Windows/Linux file managers.

That means you can store the "master" ics files on any platform's storage.

It's only iOS that is incapable of these simplest of file-transfer actions.
However, since iOS doesn't yet have import/export of ICS files (that anyone
yet knows of), it's moot if iOS can't also easily transfer ics event files.

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#52701

On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 05:23:36 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> It's a valid question, where I'll assume you already know the
> server/client conclusions I belatedly came to after long though,
> which are explained to Mike Easter et. al in this updated post...

The Latin term is <et al.> and not <et. al>.
(Its also the English term since we stole it)
It is the shortened form of et alii, or, "and others."

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
“Fas est ab hoste doceri."
	Ovid, Metamorphoses

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#52722

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:50:03 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> The Latin term is <et al.> and not <et. al>.
> (Its also the English term since we stole it)
> It is the shortened form of et alii, or, "and others."

Hi Cybe R. Wizard,

You are correct!
o Mea culpa.
o Nolo contendere 

As you know, I take _each_ post on its own merits & respond accordingly.
(It's a tactic. It's intended to keep both you and me civil. And helpful.)

Thank you for your advice, as I very much _do_ care for correct usage.

The facts are that...
1. I was *incorrectly* using "et. al", which, corrected is: "et al.".
[Using an (Am)English period; not using the (Br)English full stop punctuation.]

2. It stands for "et alii, meaning, "and others" as per this reference:
    <https://grammarist.com/usage/et-al/>

3. I very much appreciate the correction - sincerely so.

I goofed.
o Let's hope I don't make the same mistake twice.
o Gratias tibi ago.   (I had to look _that_ one up though.)

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#52732

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 20:03:28 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 00:50:03 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> 
> > The Latin term is <et al.> and not <et. al>.
> > (Its also the English term since we stole it)
> > It is the shortened form of et alii, or, "and others."  
> 
> Hi Cybe R. Wizard,
> 
> You are correct!

Yep.  Its nice to hear it from you, though.  Thanks.

> o Mea culpa.
> o Nolo contendere 
> 
> As you know, I take _each_ post on its own merits & respond
> accordingly. (It's a tactic. It's intended to keep both you and me
> civil. And helpful.)

Actually, I know no such thing.  Were it really the truth you would
have already addressed the Dunning/Kruger effect post:
Message-ID: <20190116153455.598ac1aa@WizardsTower>
...wherein I meritoriously questioned your own  ability to see
shortcomings in yourself and which was posted the day previous to the
one to which you /did/ reply.

Additionally, you would also have addressed the post:
Message-ID: <20190116173832.5bb5e1ba@WizardsTower>
...posted the same day, a day /before/ the post to which you did reply
with your mea culpa.
> 
> Thank you for your advice, as I very much _do_ care for correct usage.

That's the one thing I /really do/ like about you.  You seem to care
about and take care with proper English usage.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
I like to be open... and I like to be honest. I hate being disingenuous
because that's really uncomfortable for me; I don't excel at doing
that. 
	Megan Fox

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#52737

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:23:22 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> That's the one thing I /really do/ like about you.  You seem to care
> about and take care with proper English usage.

Hi Cybe R. Wizard,

I see _all_ your posts - I don't respond to them all - out of propriety.

Thank you for recognizing I have been a good citizen of alt.usage.english
for decades on end. <https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com/>
in that I strive to spell, punctuate, & "grammarize" sentences correctly.

More to the point though...

I'm always striving to IMPROVE upon our combined tribal knowledge.
o Mine;
o And yours (even unbeknownst to you, as you can see below).

For example, I asked for help on this very question you brought up!
<https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com/IYRnAbiZ/why-on-earth-do-we-abbreviate-alli-so-often-to-save-1-character>

I'm DIFFERENT from almost everyone you have ever met in your life
(in a bunch of ways, the COMBINATION of which makes me unusual).

For an example, I maintain a Usenet STRATEGY which I call the "FAQ model".
Where, by design, my TACTICS fit _that_ strategy.

If you don't COMPREHEND my strategy & tactics - you won't understand me.

For example, most Usenet posters use what I call the "chit-chat model".
o They post 99% to other people's threads, & only 1% to their own threads.
o Each post contains, usually, very little technical information (normally)
o For _that_ model, WHO you are is often more important than WHAT you say

I use a completely different model, which I call the "Q&A model".
o I post 99% to my Q&A threads, & only 1% to other people's threads
o Each post contains, usually, well-cited factual information (normally)
o For _that_ model, WHAT you say are is more important than WHO you are

You'll note, for example, that most of you who use the "chitchat" model,
care greatly about the identity of whom you're dealing with - whereas - I
don't give one whit about whom I'm dealing with - other than when they're
wasting our time - in that I can't forget them (much as I would like to
perhaps).

My strategy is to FURTHER our tribal knowledge, by obtaining technical
answers to technical questions. My tactics fit that strategy (for the most
part).

For example:
o Is this (Marek assisted) Internet privacy procedure as good as I can make it?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/Ih1TMsMjV_M/zYlVS6YOEgAJ>

To be blunt, most of my questions either have a single technical answer,
or, as is often the case, there is no known answer to my questions.

Hence, most of my threads SHOULD be a single post (for those that just have
no known answers), or, they should be a "few" posts, like this thread is, 
if we subtract the idiocy from the likes of people like FredW.

This thread is a GOOD example of the Usenet Q&A model working well:
a. Asking a question that doesn't have a well-known answer (it seems)
b. Together, deriving the answer (mostly from Mike Easter's help)
c. And then summarizing the findings (to add to the tribal knowledge)

This thread is another good example of the Q&A model working well:
o What algorithm would you use to find the "best" file by speed?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/WmihnKr-ZyI/1O1msUyLCQAJ>

As is this typical Q&A thread where the Usenet use model works well:
o How do I stop DNS LEAKS in Ubuntu with wicd as the network manager?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/X2H2H8CnqS8/SzmHvNjLDQAJ>

Another example of a GOOD Q&A Usenet thread, for example, is this:
o Ping Steve Crook & other free server admins: How/why are Avast headers & sig added to these messages?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/a8o3srYBw0U/6wkedyq9BAAJ>
Notice how we worked together, in this case, mostly Marek Novotny & me.

Some of those Q&A threads don't come to a firm conclusion:
o What would you suggest for reliable servers to ping for connectivity
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/4cRfRFIgQdU/4Hx5mOTPBgAJ>

But most advance our tribal knowledge, step by step, by step, by step:
o Two questions for Marek about the operation of the vpnstatus script
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/G-84_RC0ePA/F2jn48ObBAAJ>

Where I'm usually excited to the point that I just want to share with all!
o Script inspired by Marek for changing the name of vpn files
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/fEVBFUDAhvE/keRxje0GBwAJ>

And, where I'm sometimes so clueless that I desperately need your help:
o Can you help interpret this wireshark tcpdump pcap output?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/KANMFLA_RQg/e7RVnSM_DwAJ>

Here's another case where I'm out of my league - so I ask for help:
o How do you tell what kind of VPN when you're in a VPN session?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/79Z_OaThLCA/Qz6hwrr4EwAJ>

And, where, often, I report "issues" with things, asking for solutions:
o Report of potential bug/enh in vpnstatus.sh & tbird.sh scripts
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/Uc3yqYZlL0Y/sTP29UsVDQAJ>

And where, in general, VERY FEW PEOPLE actually have usable answers:
o Report of potential bug/enh in vpnstatus.sh & tbird.sh scripts
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/Uc3yqYZlL0Y/sTP29UsVDQAJ>

Now, lots of times, nobody knows more than I do when I ask a question.
o What free unlimited bandwidth proxy-based browsers exist for Ubuntu Linux?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/I78Sg-TQIUo/-mO1ddQVBAAJ>

And that's OK. Those threads should be short (ideally, a single post).

But, most of the time, I can COMBINE our knowledge to write a SOLUTION:
o Result of 1 year of work improving free VPN for Linux users
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/j5nKzZs9O-4/nU13HkivBwAJ>

Where some threads consist purely of those added-value solutions:
o Free openvpn config using efficient scripts (please improve so all benefit)
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/IXT9Eblx3iw/2D8Tta06FgAJ>

I could go on (and on) for, oh, I don't know ... THOUSANDS of tutorials (I
don't count them - but I generally write at least one or two or three a
week - not all of which do I post to Usenet as I'm well know on about a
dozen topic-specific web sites where I post my DIYs & Tutorials galore).

Having said all of that, what irks me are the utterly incomprehensibly
idiotic comments such as those you see from Dan Purgert, you, and FredW in
this thread (and where I can list thousands in other threads), where, I
simply ask these people if THEY contribute to the thread with their utterly
idiotic drivel.

I do this STRATEGICALLY, not to save the current thread, since I believe
once the trolls show up in any thread, like flies at a picnic, it's already
ruined (where I bluntly liken it to the trolls shitting on the potluck
picnic table that is Usenet) - but - to save the NEXT thread.

That is, if I make it "not fun" for YOU, Cybe R. Wizard, to troll, you've
ALREADY ruined THIS thread by your trolls - but - I hope to make you aware
that I will ALWAYS call you out on your trolls (like I did in this thread).

I do that - on purpose - to make it more expensive (i.e., "less fun") for
you and those like you to play your worthless silly little games.

Bear in mind I'm EXPLAINING my tactics to support my strategy, so I'm sort
of breaking my rule responding to like posts in like manner - in that I
don't "think" your most recent post that I'm responding to is a troll - but
- it's clear as the air we breathe that your INITIAL post to this thread
was your attempt to shit on the table of the potluck picnic that is Usenet.

You're shocked, I'm sure, that I called you out on your trolling; 
but you really should simply realize that I'm CONSISTENT in my tactics
which support my strategy.

My strategy is to learn & further our combined tribal knowledge.
My tactic is to ask a question - manage the thread - and then leave.

When the trolls inevitably arrive - I assume that Q&A thread is already
ruined just as if the trolls shat' on the Potluck Picnic Table as their
contribution to Usenet - so I simply make it "expensive" (i.e., "less fun")
for the trolls to play their silly little games.

One thing is going to change though, moving forward, which is that I'm
going to realize that "some people" are not only incredibly stupid (which I
already knew), but they're literally incapable of comprehending even the
simplest of facts. There is a thread already on that topic so I belabor it
not here...
o I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/4Wb5i0W3nOo>

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#52740

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:24:43 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> That is, if I make it "not fun" for YOU, Cybe R. Wizard, to troll,
> you've ALREADY ruined THIS thread by your trolls - but - I hope to
> make you aware that I will ALWAYS call you out on your trolls (like I
> did in this thread).

In that case you have failed yet again and failed most miserably.  I do,
though, fully understand that such is a normal position for you in
which you regularly find yourself.

But, hey, go on ahead and call me right out on my post showing
definitively why YOU are the poster child for the Dunning/Kruger
effect on the less-than-normally-gifted.  

In case you've 'lost' it, here it is:
Message-ID: <20190116153455.598ac1aa@WizardsTower>

Waiting for that one from you will take a while, I'm sure, as you are so
afraid of it.  Fear on, fear on, little girl.

Otherwise you would have long since addressed it, wouldn't you have?

Coward, arlene?  Say you are.  Go on and say it out loud; it won't hurt.

I think goading you is /great/ fun.  Blasting buffoons with their own
buffoonery always is. You are so cocksure and blatantly arrogant and so
wrong in both opinions that it is pure joy to bring you down to the
point where you have no other recourse but to deflect and obfuscate the
very point I've been making, to whit, you are the very epitome of the
low-browed believing they are /all that/  (/in/ a bag -0- chips).

Run, arlow, run!  Dodge, harlen, dodge!  ...and show those 10,000
tutorials. You know you can!  You know you want to!  You know
that everyone is waiting with bated breath to see them.   SURE, you
did.  Riiight.

Get with the program and show that you aren't just another pathetic
blowhard liar.  As if you could.

Cybe R. Wizard -10,000 tutorials is almost one EACH day for 30 YEARS
-- 
1) huge ego - check
2) inflated sense of self importance - check
3) clueless idiot - check
4) megalomaniac tendencies - check
5) elected official - who yet knows?

Sounds like arlen is a professional politician. What personality flaws
contribute to this deviant behavior and how can a society work to
correct them?

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#52748

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:24:43 -0000 (UTC)
> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>
>> That is, if I make it "not fun" for YOU, Cybe R. Wizard, to troll,
>> you've ALREADY ruined THIS thread by your trolls - but - I hope to
>> make you aware that I will ALWAYS call you out on your trolls (like I
>> did in this thread).
>
> [...]
>
> Cybe R. Wizard -10,000 tutorials is almost one EACH day for 30 YEARS

$10 says he's counting "each post" in his "style" a "tutorial".


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#52755

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:24:04 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:24:43 -0000 (UTC)
> > arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> That is, if I make it "not fun" for YOU, Cybe R. Wizard, to troll,
> >> you've ALREADY ruined THIS thread by your trolls - but - I hope to
> >> make you aware that I will ALWAYS call you out on your trolls
> >> (like I did in this thread).  
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Cybe R. Wizard -10,000 tutorials is almost one EACH day for 30
> > YEARS  
> 
> $10 says he's counting "each post" in his "style" a "tutorial".
> 
No, I won't be taking that sucker's bet.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
I'm a real sucker for boobs but arlen holder hasn't offered me a bet
yet.
	me

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#52756

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:24:04 -0000 (UTC)
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> $10 says he's counting "each post" in his "style" a "tutorial".
>> 
> No, I won't be taking that sucker's bet.

Damn, was so close, I could taste the sammich I was gonna buy.


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#52760

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:19:20 +0000, Dan Purgert scribbled:

> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:24:04 -0000 (UTC)
>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> $10 says he's counting "each post" in his "style" a "tutorial".
>>> 
>> No, I won't be taking that sucker's bet.
> 
> Damn, was so close, I could taste the sammich I was gonna buy.

I don't buy sammiches.  That's proprietary stuff.  I always build my own 
from source. :p

-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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#52767

Aragorn wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:19:20 +0000, Dan Purgert scribbled:
>
>> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:24:04 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> $10 says he's counting "each post" in his "style" a "tutorial".
>>>> 
>>> No, I won't be taking that sucker's bet.
>> 
>> Damn, was so close, I could taste the sammich I was gonna buy.
>
> I don't buy sammiches.  That's proprietary stuff.  I always build my own 
> from source. :p

Yeah, but the shop down the street is a local business, and run by some
pretty awesome people, so there is that.



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#52762

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:19:20 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:24:04 -0000 (UTC)
> > Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:  
> >> [...]
> >> $10 says he's counting "each post" in his "style" a "tutorial".
> >>   
> > No, I won't be taking that sucker's bet.  
> 
> Damn, was so close, I could taste the sammich I was gonna buy.
> 
<sudo apt make Dan a sammich>

Cybe R. Wizard -...and, POOF!  You're a sammich! (new functionality)
-- 
Usenet Rule #29: no rational discourse can happen in a thread
cross-posted to more than two newsgroups.

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#52747

arlen holder wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 19:23:22 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>
>> That's the one thing I /really do/ like about you.  You seem to care
>> about and take care with proper English usage.
>
> Hi Cybe R. Wizard,
> [...]
> I'm DIFFERENT from almost everyone you have ever met in your life
> (in a bunch of ways, the COMBINATION of which makes me unusual).

Everyone is different from everyone else.  That's part of being human
... unless you're a lizardperson perhaps?  That would be a way better
explanation for why you use everyone's full nick all the time than
something about "talking to them like children".

>
> For an example, I maintain a Usenet STRATEGY which I call the "FAQ model".
> Where, by design, my TACTICS fit _that_ strategy.
>
> If you don't COMPREHEND my strategy & tactics - you won't understand me.

I've yet to see anyone who doesn't comprehend what it is you're doing,
arlen holder.

>
> For example, most Usenet posters use what I call the "chit-chat model".
> o They post 99% to other people's threads, & only 1% to their own threads.

Perhaps it's because they have no need to create threads to get things
done, yet rather reserve their posting for people needing help.

Though that does have downsides of making it look like a group is dead.

> o Each post contains, usually, very little technical information (normally)

One can cherry-pick anything to suit their needs, of course, arlen
holder.

> [...]
> o Each post contains, usually, well-cited factual information (normally)
> o For _that_ model, WHAT you say are is more important than WHO you are

Unless you're "Diesel, Snit, Colonel Edmund J. Burke, John, Doe, Nomen
Nomescu, Shadow, Good Guy, Mr. Man-wai Chang, David B., %, Anonymous,
Cybe R Wizard, etc. (MessageID: <q1o1lh$lrs$1@news.mixmin.net> )", of
course.

>
> You'll note, for example, that most of you who use the "chitchat" model,
> care greatly about the identity of whom you're dealing with - whereas - I
> don't give one whit about whom I'm dealing with - other than when they're
> wasting our time - in that I can't forget them (much as I would like to
> perhaps).

That is, merely your opinon, arlen holder.

> My strategy is to FURTHER our tribal knowledge, by obtaining technical
> answers to technical questions. My tactics fit that strategy (for the most
> part).

Until they don't, and you start in on your ad hominem arguments that
someone is "a child" (or immune to facts, or whatever the angle du jour
is, arlen holder.)

>
> For example:
> o Is this (Marek assisted) Internet privacy procedure as good as I can
> make it?
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/Ih1TMsMjV_M/zYlVS6YOEgAJ>

"Internet privacy", links to google.  

Made me think of this:
  "War is peace.  Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

> [...]
> This thread is a GOOD example of the Usenet Q&A model working well:
> a. Asking a question that doesn't have a well-known answer (it seems)

It has a well-known answer.  "Run a CalDAV server of your own".  It's
not an "easy" solution by any means, but it is well known.

Trouble is, the likes of facebook / google / etc. have done about as
much good to "the web" as AOL did to Usenet in 1993.

> [...]
> Having said all of that, what irks me are the utterly incomprehensibly
> idiotic comments such as those you see from Dan Purgert, you, and FredW in
> this thread (and where I can list thousands in other threads), where, I
> simply ask these people if THEY contribute to the thread with their
> utterly idiotic drivel.

arlen holder, you could've left this out, and nothing of value would've
been lost.

>
> I do this STRATEGICALLY, not to save the current thread, since I believe

arlen holder, the thing you miss is that the thread does not need
"saving" by any stretch of the imagination.

> once the trolls show up in any thread, like flies at a picnic, it's
> already ruined (where I bluntly liken it to the trolls shitting on the
> potluck picnic table that is Usenet) - but - to save the NEXT thread.

Where you'll have the same antics as ever, arlen holder. We really
shouldn't sink to the bait, but, well, it can be fun.

>
> That is, if I make it "not fun" for YOU, Cybe R. Wizard, to troll, you've
> ALREADY ruined THIS thread by your trolls - but - I hope to make you aware
> that I will ALWAYS call you out on your trolls (like I did in this
> thread).

Some big accusations there, arlen holder.  You've done just as much (if
not more) to sully the thread as anyone else.

>
> I do that - on purpose - to make it more expensive (i.e., "less fun") for
> you and those like you to play your worthless silly little games.

I've yet to stop having "fun" in this thread (although your posts do
tend to be like reading Tolkien.  Lots of words to say very little).

>
> My strategy is to learn & further our combined tribal knowledge.
> My tactic is to ask a question - manage the thread - and then leave.

"Manage" a thread by making ad hominem attacks toward people you don't
like, arlen holder.


> When the trolls inevitably arrive - I assume that Q&A thread is already
> ruined just as if the trolls shat' on the Potluck Picnic Table as their
> contribution to Usenet - so I simply make it "expensive" (i.e., "less
> fun") for the trolls to play their silly little games.

arlen holder, the thing you don't understand is that the thread is not
ruined at all; until you start making ad hominem arguments (and at which
time, people respond in kind). 

Not to mention, it's funny watching you get riled up and calling people
more knowledgeable than you children, and then you not getting any
answers about whatever.


>
> One thing is going to change though, moving forward, which is that I'm
> going to realize that "some people" are not only incredibly stupid
> (which I already knew), but they're literally incapable of
> comprehending even the simplest of facts. There is a thread already on
> that topic so I belabor it not here...

arlen holder, you mean people like Cybe, right?  I mean, you did happen
to call him out by name in the aforementioned thread.

> o I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly
> Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the
> left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

And Cybe.  Don't forget you called him out by name in that list as well.


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#52752

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:58:04 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

> And Cybe.  Don't forget you called him out by name in that list as
> well.

Meh, he would rather just forget me as I have called him out on several
things he WILL NOT discuss.  Oddly, they are all about his own lack
of honesty.  Go figure.

I guess that recognizing a giant sack of excrement as a giant sack of
excrement causes stupidity.  The only question is where the causality
lands.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
“Do you know what we call opinion in the absence of evidence? We call
it prejudice.” 
	Michael Crichton, State of Fear

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#52754

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:58:04 -0000 (UTC)
> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>
>> And Cybe.  Don't forget you called him out by name in that list as
>> well.
>
> Meh, he would rather just forget me as I have called him out on several
> things he WILL NOT discuss.  Oddly, they are all about his own lack
> of honesty.  Go figure.
>
> I guess that recognizing a giant sack of excrement as a giant sack of
> excrement causes stupidity.  The only question is where the causality
> lands.

"Not far from the tree" rings a bell, but I can't say why.


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