Re: Any Unicode Experts?

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: Any Unicode Experts?
Date	2021-08-09 07:56 -0600
Message-ID	<incqg4Fj94qU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 08/08/2021 11:28 PM, jak wrote:
> Il 09/08/2021 02:00, rbowman ha scritto:
>> On 08/08/2021 12:32 PM, jak wrote:
>>> Il 08/08/2021 06:50, rbowman ha scritto:
>>>> On 08/07/2021 10:32 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>>>>> Ctrl-C for Copy I think exists because Command-C for copy first
>>>>> existed.
>>>>> Neither has anything to do with the ASCII control character ETX.
>>>>
>>>> I'm probably wrong but I think WordStar had an influence.
>>>
>>> I don't think so. These are the old commands for wordstar:
>>> https://sfwriter.com/wordstar-command-summary.pdf
>>> In my memory the first Ctrl-X/Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V shortcuts I saw with the
>>> first full-screen commands in ms-dos 3.1: explorer.exe and qbasic.exe.
>>> Explorer was very similar to the Windows version but in semi-graphics
>>> (video in text mode and windows drawn with ascii-extended fonts). These
>>> programs finally allowed to use the mouse making the old shortcuts
>>> difficult to use (Shift-Del/Ctrl-Ins/Shift-Ins) with the left hand
>>> (to keep the right hand on the mouse), however the old shortcuts also
>>> work today and often even with programs that suppress the new shortcuts.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>
>> Brief had those key bindings but by '85 it wasn't clear who was
>> copying who. That was the only programming editor I ever paid money
>> for. Borland bought it and buried it.
>>
>> I'm not a power user of the VS editor but 35 years later it seems to
>> lack the features of Brief.
>
> In this way you make me dig up the past ... At that time I started
> developing in dos and windows but I came from the unix and xenix world,
> so the only editor I knew was the Vi, so I got a copy that ran under dos
> . A powerful copy weighing 17KB. I stopped using it only many years
> later when Multiedit (an amazing editor) came on the market.

Back when a 1 GB hard drive was huge, the choice between Vim and Emacs 
was a no-brainer. iirc Vim was 1.6 MB, Emacs was 25 MB. It looks like 
gVim has porked up to 2.7.

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Any Unicode Experts? FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 14:39 +0000
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 15:01 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? Snit Michael Glasser <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-06 08:10 -0700
  US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-06 08:15 -0700
    Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2021-08-06 17:36 +0200
      Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 15:49 +0000
        Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2021-08-06 18:48 +0200
        Re: US-ASCII is a subset of the set of Unicode code points. FR <fr@random.info> - 2021-08-06 17:57 +0000
  Re: Any Unicode Experts? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-06 20:27 +0000
    Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-07 09:36 +0100
      Re: Any Unicode Experts? Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-08-08 04:32 +0000
        Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-07 22:50 -0600
          Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-08 20:32 +0200
            Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-08 18:00 -0600
              "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-08 18:11 -0700
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-08 22:19 -0600
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Ann Glaser <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-09 14:57 -0700
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-08-16 16:06 +0200
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. HHI <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-17 11:42 -0700
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. STALKING_TARGET_27 <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-19 16:20 -0700
                Re: "while(1);" borks Visual Studio. jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 18:02 +0200
                while(malloc(666)); Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-08-10 09:28 -0700
                Re: while(malloc(666)); jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 18:39 +0200
              Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-09 07:28 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-09 07:56 -0600
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 10:33 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-10 12:49 +0100
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-10 15:26 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2021-08-10 13:43 +0000
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-10 21:12 -0600
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-11 12:25 +0100
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-12 09:54 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 10:58 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-11 16:52 +0000
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-11 20:19 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-08-12 16:37 +0000
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? jak <nospam@please.ty> - 2021-08-12 20:32 +0200
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-08-12 20:40 -0600
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Steven Petruzzellis - fretwizen <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 11:14 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Steven Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-15 05:19 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? STALKING_TARGET_79 <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 15:09 -0700
                Re: Any Unicode Experts? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2021-08-10 16:11 -0400
      Re: Any Unicode Experts? STALKING_TARGET_53 <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-08 14:40 -0700

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