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| Started by | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| First post | 2016-01-13 04:43 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-01-14 00:51 +0000 |
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Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 04:43 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-13 13:14 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 07:31 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:48 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 09:38 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-14 02:31 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 21:24 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 21:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-17 03:23 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-17 06:42 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2016-01-14 17:58 -0800
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-15 09:01 -0500
Re: Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 07:39 -0500
Re: Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 07:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:52 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-13 18:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 15:47 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-13 14:53 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-15 07:14 -0500
Re: [OT entirely] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-01-15 16:23 +0200
Re: [OT entirely] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-15 14:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-15 11:36 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-15 14:29 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-15 16:27 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-16 00:45 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-16 10:33 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-16 11:07 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-17 03:59 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-17 10:36 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-17 10:40 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:04 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-17 16:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2016-01-17 16:45 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-17 13:15 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2016-01-17 18:32 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-17 19:46 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-17 21:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-21 03:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-21 05:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-23 03:23 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-23 03:03 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-23 08:54 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-24 04:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-24 09:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-24 02:46 -0800
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. mike antipasto <pizzadude@mycomputerrox.org> - 2016-01-24 10:05 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-24 10:41 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-25 04:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-25 10:47 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 01:05 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-30 02:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Mr.E <Mr.E@totally.invalid> - 2016-01-24 07:16 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-24 15:51 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 11:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-24 19:20 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 13:29 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-24 21:49 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-24 18:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Mr.E <Mr.E@totally.invalid> - 2016-01-24 13:50 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2016-01-24 11:41 -0800
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2016-01-24 08:38 -0800
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-24 09:42 -0800
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-25 04:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-25 10:44 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-27 03:06 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-27 01:03 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Dan C can suck my balls <Imustbejackingoff@the.moment> - 2016-01-25 16:06 -0800
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-26 09:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-18 08:11 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 10:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2016-01-18 15:19 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 11:49 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2016-01-18 17:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Jonathan N Little <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:07 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2016-01-18 19:37 +0100
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 14:02 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 11:06 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Jonathan N Little <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 13:53 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 16:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-18 21:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:41 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Jonathan N Little <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:04 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Jonathan N Little <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 17:09 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 13:56 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-18 21:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-18 21:43 +0000
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 16:42 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-19 00:01 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-19 03:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-18 11:12 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2016-01-17 14:33 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-18 14:30 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-18 15:37 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-20 06:45 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-20 07:30 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-22 13:44 -0600
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-20 06:40 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-20 07:29 -0500
Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> - 2016-01-15 14:29 -0600
Re: Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-14 00:51 +0000
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 04:43 -0500 |
| Subject | Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <bv6c9blqrp0s9bvbf8follbgib6qmghli3@4ax.com> |
Remember, this is straight from the imam of the biggest mosque in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej0-Pze2KSA
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 13:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <n75etj$8ti$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186162 |
On Wednesday 13 Jan 2016 10:43, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> Remember, this is straight from the imam of the biggest mosque in
> the world.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej0-Pze2KSA
So Jerusalem belongs to the Jews because... "God" gave it to them? ;)
Oh boy... :p
Look, I am a spiritual person. I believe in ─ and have had sufficient
experiences which confirm the existence of ─ a grander reality than what
the belief system which calls itself "science" claims our "reality" to
be. (No, I do not wish to expound here what those experiences
were/are.)
Conventional science as it is taught in schools is wrong (on so many
accounts) ─ and so is the conventional recount of history, by the way ─
but then again, so is religion. Yet, they both hold valuable pieces of
the grander jigsaw puzzle. Sadly enough, those valuable pieces are all
buried under a thick layer of goo on both ends.
Some of that obfuscation was deliberate, so as to serve existing power
structures. Do not forget that ─ to name but one religion ─
Christianity has, by way of the Roman Catholic Church, been the
dominating and legally ruling power in the western world for over 800
years, stifling and prosecuting any truly scientific research, and
gruesomely (and cavalierly) deciding over life and death. Torture and
execution were at the order of the day during what we here in the West
call the Dark Ages.
From Ambrose Bierce's "The Devil's Dictionary":
CHRISTIAN (n.):
1. Someone particularly occupied with the spiritual needs of his
neighbor.
2. Someone who faithfully adheres to the teachings of Jesus Christ
insofar as they are not in conflict with a life of sin.
You can substitute the words "CHRISTIAN" and the name "Jesus Christ" by
the appropriate words and names for any other religion.
For that matter, it is not even certain yet that the person "Jesus
Christ" really did exist. If he did, then "Jesus" would not have been
his name. "Yeshua" would have been more likely, and the word "Christ"
comes from the Greek word Kristos ─ meaning "the anointed one" ─ and may
have been derived from the name Krishna.
Some data even suggests that there may have been TWO individuals in
those days upon whom the character of Jesus was based and whose lives
have been conflated into a single identity by the Roman Catholic Church,
and that one of them died on the cross while the other one later on
moved to what is now called India.
(For that matter, I believe that the Arab world, under the influence of
Islam, is currently going through a similarly dark age, because Arab
culture was already long significantly more advanced on account of
medical science, astronomy and even architecture than our western
culture in the centuries before Islam came along.)
It is also my opinion ─ and one that I firmly hold ─ that anything
claiming to be a god/deity and anything claiming to require worship,
would by definition not be what it claims to be (and not deserve the
worship it demands). I abhor the concept of dogmatic religion as a
whole. The non-material realms do not dictate to the material world how
anyone should live here, or what would be allowed and what not.
If anyone truly came to the Jewish people and offered them the city of
Jerusalem, or the land currently called Israel, then they could just as
well have been visitors from another world, for all I know, because
sufficient evidence exists ─ all neatly debunked, dismissed and
professionally ridiculed by conventional materialism, mainstream science
and financially and/or politically engaged "journalism" ─ that Earth has
indeed already been visited by more advanced cultures from elsewhere on
numerous occasions throughout human history. And as the late Arthur C.
Clarke once said (or wrote): "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic."
By consequence, whoever "donated" Jerusalem to the Jewish people ─ or to
Muslims, or to Christians, or to Buddhists, or to {R,P}astafari for that
matter ─ had no authority to give away anything at all to anyone, and
especially not considering that the particular "something" they were
giving away was already part of this world, and as such, already
belonged to all of humanity.
As I wrote higher up, part of the obfuscation was (and still is)
deliberate, as a strategy of the existing power structures. However, a
great deal of the obfuscation regarding the truth behind what "reality"
is also came from human stupidity ─ and this is still true on account of
what's going on in the world today, whether it is related to GNU/Linux,
to politics, to religions, to scientific facts or whatever. I even see
the average IQ levels dropping every year ─ to my dismay and great
frustration, I should add.
Also from Ambrose Bierce's "The Devil's Dictionary":
IDIOT (n.):
A member of a large tribe whose influence in the affairs of
mankind has always been dominant.
That said, and given that I have been addressed personally in the
subject line of this thread, the only thing I have ever espoused here in
this newsgroup with regard to the state of Israel ─ and keep in mind
that this is a nation founded upon a religion and the belief that said
religion's deity has donated that land to only those particular people
[*] ─ is that the state of Israel is slowly but methodically doing the
same thing to the Palestinians as what Adolf Hitler did to the Jews in
Nazi Germany, _and_ that the state of Israel can only get away with that
because it has the _unconditional_ support from the United States of
Acronyms and the British Empire.
[*] Which is no different from what gives kings and queens the right
to rule over their fellow human beings. They rule "by Divine
Right", as the chosen Earthly representatives of some godhead.
I have many friends who are Muslims. They know I care not about their
religion, any more than that I would care about any other religion. And
they are certainly not giving me any flack over that, because on the one
hand, they believe in the freedom of thought, and on the other hand, I
treat them with respect ─ both on account of my own convictions and on
account of what they hold for true in their own religion and culture.
I do not actually have any Jewish friends, although I have known a few
Jewish people, and I got along well with them. The city of Antwerp here
in the Flanders does have quite a large Jewish community, but I don't
live in Antwerp and Judaism is very rare elsewhere in the country. I do
on the other hand have Christian friends and family members ─ my brother
is a devout Christian, for that matter. I pray for his awakening every
day. (That's a joke, people. <rolls eyes>)
I have nothing against Jews or the Israeli people in general ─ who, for
that matter, are not all really happy about what their government does.
It is my opinion that prejudices and discrimination are abject. And I
feel the same way about governments. :p
We are all human beings, living a relatively short life here on this
planet ─ you only realize how short it really is when you have to start
attending the funerals of the people around you ─ and we're all here on
this rock in space together, so I believe that the best solution is for
all of us to try and get along with one another, as opposed to competing
with one another, whether socially, politically, militarily, religiously
or economically. (Economics is only a pseudoscience anyway, and the
whole financial-economic system is nothing other than legalized
organized crime.)
I do, however, hold judgment ─ not a prejudice, but a judgment ─ over
those bent on fear- and warmongering, and the psychopaths who are
feeding off of the misery of others, or who are shamelessly exploiting
their fellow human beings in whatever way. I loathe such people. As a
human being, I am not perfect. I too have flaws. But at least I am
aware of those flaws, and I actively try keeping them in check. I
assume full responsibility over my own actions. And that is what, in my
humble opinion, allows me to indulge in the judgment of those particular
people ─ "predators" would actually be a more apt description.
I hope I have made my position clear enough now. A discussion such as
this one is off-topic for this newsgroup, and I have no desire of
bringing the wrath upon me from those who are pedantic about this
newsgroup's purpose. (As you will notice, I have added "[OT]" to the
topic of this thread.)
I am an active member and administrator of a web-based forum where
discussions regarding subjects such as this one are a little more on-
topic, although I must add ─ and this will probably get me flamed here ─
that the intellectual level of our members generally outrises the silly
back-and-forth political bickering which occasionally still permeates
this newsgroup. Nobody at our forum still thinks in terms of "Jew
versus Muslim", "left wing versus right wing", and certainly not the US-
centric "Democrat versus Republican", or "Hillary the Machiavellian
psycho versus Donald the greedy bigot". (They should bring Sarah Palin
back into the game. Then it would REALLY be amusing.)
What you should always ask yourself/yourselves, in any conflict, is
first and foremost, "Cui bono?" Who benefits from all this bickering,
from all these conflicts, from all these wars?
"Divide et conquere."
-- Julius Caesar
I know the answer to the above question. But do you? (The word "you"
in this sentence is not necessarily referring to DLUNU or any other
particular individual in this newsgroup.)
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 07:31 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <sogc9bhernu8asu7eth0hs4c8ln5h98tsi@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186169 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: >So Jerusalem belongs to the Jews because... "God" gave it to them? ;) >Oh boy... :p Jews believe in God. Christians believe in a God, and imagine.. So do Muslims. THIS particular Muslin happens to be an imam, if you are familiar with that term. So put a little perspective between your horse blinders. All three in agreement, the ones you seem to think deserve the land are the ones their own biggest leader says they don't. So you apparently missed the point completely and still seem to think something was stolen from someone.
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 14:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <n75kdk$qeu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186172 |
On Wednesday 13 Jan 2016 13:31, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn
> <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us:
>
>> So Jerusalem belongs to the Jews because... "God" gave it to them? ;)
>> Oh boy... :p
>
> Jews believe in God. Christians believe in a God, and imagine.. So
> do Muslims.
>
> THIS particular Muslin happens to be an imam, if you are familiar
> with that term.
>
> So put a little perspective between your horse blinders.
You have a way of going ad hominem with everyone who disagrees with you.
I recommend that you stop doing that. It ruins the debate completely.
> All three in agreement, the ones you seem to think deserve the land
> are the ones their own biggest leader says they don't.
They all agree _on the basis of their religion_ and all three of those
religions have a common origin ─ that is why they are called "Abrahamic
religions".
That still doesn't say anything at all.
> So you apparently missed the point completely and still seem to
> think something was stolen from someone.
Now where did I say so? What I said was that it belongs to everyone.
Insomuch as anything in this world _can_ even belong to anyone.
Jerusalem was already there, as was the land that it was built upon, and
it will continue to be there for a long time still, regardless of who
makes a property claim on it.
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 09:38 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <g6oc9bt5n0anfeu0fb6l4r80dpnmf3v710@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186178 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:48:06 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: >Now where did I say so? You said that the Israelis were taking land that was not theirs and were "awarded" land that was not theirs as I recall. If I remember correctly you acted as if they deserved the terrorist acts that were being carried out against them. Perhaps I got the wrong impression.
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 02:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <n76tl2$kg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186184 |
On Wednesday 13 Jan 2016 15:38, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:48:06 +0100, Aragorn
> <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us:
>
>> Now where did I say so?
>
> You said that the Israelis were taking land that was not theirs and
> were "awarded" land that was not theirs as I recall.
They were (and still are) expanding their own land at the cost of the
Palestinians, that is true.
> If I remember correctly you acted as if they deserved the terrorist
> acts that were being carried out against them. Perhaps I got the
> wrong impression.
Then you got the wrong impression, yes. The only thing I really stated
in that regard ─ if my own memory serves me right ─ is my objection to
the asymmetrical warfare being conducted there.
Terrorism ─ in any shape or form ─ is abject, and always comes at the
cost of innocent lives. Far too many innocent lives ─ Palestinian _and_
Israeli ─ have already been lost in that conflict. And neither the
Palestinian people nor the Israeli people are happy about the actions of
the extremists in their respective governments.
Even the term "cease-fire" doesn't appear to have any meaning anymore in
that region. And that is sad. Very sad.
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= Aragorn =
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 21:24 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <jk1e9bluv8b1r1gslfung1k146s5q7ivj8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186226 |
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:31:48 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: >They were (and still are) expanding their own land at the cost of the >Palestinians, that is true. Maybe they and their leaders and their various faction leaders should stop pulling stupid acts then.
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 21:28 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <2n1e9b9l355cf27kgljbm7s5uc1mhcub6b@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186226 |
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:31:48 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: >Then you got the wrong impression, yes. The only thing I really stated >in that regard ? if my own memory serves me right ? is my objection to >the asymmetrical warfare being conducted there. What? "Come after one of my civil fellow citizens with a knife and I will shoot your retarded ass dead." ??? That one? They should die without a trial for overstepping the bounds of a civil society. They should bring back the death penalty and gallows in this country as well and hang murderers on a daily basis. Unlike nations like the DPRK where they execute you for falling asleep at a meeting, here you typically ARE guilty of what they nailed your ass for doing. They should use pig blood MOABs on the rock throwers too. Right after they drop a flyer pack telling them they will never reach heaven.
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| From | Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 03:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <pan.2016.01.17.03.23.51@moria.lan> |
| In reply to | #186184 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:38:02 -0500, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:48:06 +0100, Aragorn > <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: > >>Now where did I say so? > > You said that the Israelis were taking land that was not theirs and > were "awarded" land that was not theirs as I recall. If I remember > correctly you acted as if they deserved the terrorist acts that were > being carried out against them. Perhaps I got the wrong impression. Perhaps you're just an ignorant stupid Win-droid troll. Yup. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". "Bother!" said Pooh, as the Facehugger impregnated him. Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ Thanks, Obama: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/politica/thanks.jpg
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-17 06:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <n7fd4e$2ka$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #186275 |
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 03:23:52 +0000, Dan C wrote: > Perhaps you're just an ignorant stupid Win-droid troll. Nope. You are a transparent hypocrite though, asswipe. > Yup. Nope. Sorry twerp, but I did not visit your retarded links.
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| From | Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 17:58 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <W_2dna95b72TzwXLnZ2dnUU7-KWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #186178 |
On 01/13/16 05:48, Aragorn so wittily quipped: > On Wednesday 13 Jan 2016 13:31, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the >> So put a little perspective between your horse blinders. > > You have a way of going ad hominem with everyone who disagrees with you. > I recommend that you stop doing that. It ruins the debate completely. I just mark all of his posts as 'already read' and usually don't see them. occasionally I'll peek, but feeding the troll just keeps him going, like a dog that misbehaves to get SOME KIND of attention. anyway, not a 'killfile' but same general effect.
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-15 09:01 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <8suh9b5u70tdh84kp3jnb37gqtqfnoam12@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186252 |
On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:58:20 -0800, Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> Gave us: >anyway, not a 'killfile' but same general effect. Oh look! Big Retarded Slob thinks his posts or his commentary means a fucking thing to anyone.
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 07:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8bhc9bleu6ju137ahndukvdfqpvmiv10s3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186169 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: >I hope I have made my position clear enough now. A discussion such as >this one is off-topic for this newsgroup, Yet you were right there to discuss it and other things back when it suited YOU. This is Usenet. Off topic discussions HAPPEN. And no, I did NOT need to preface the title with [OT]. Any kid with a 3rd grade education can tell it is not about Ubuntu.
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 14:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n75kii$qeu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186173 |
On Wednesday 13 Jan 2016 13:39, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn
> <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us:
>
>> I hope I have made my position clear enough now. A discussion such
>> as this one is off-topic for this newsgroup,
>
> Yet you were right there to discuss it and other things back when it
> suited YOU.
I'm not saying that it doesn't suit me now either ─ other than that I
have less time to spend on Usenet. But I do acknowledge that certain
people in this newsgroup will have a problem with it, so I wanted to
throw a disclaimer in there.
> This is Usenet. Off topic discussions HAPPEN. And no, I did NOT
> need to preface the title with [OT].
You didn't NEED to. But it's common courtesy.
> Any kid with a 3rd grade education can tell it is not about Ubuntu.
Well, we do have a few residents here who didn't manage to get through
third grade. That's why they're now trolling us for Microsoft. :p
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 07:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <3vgc9b17et3glmb40ii23a9i9ahm6j7s16@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186169 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us: >I know the answer to the above question. But do you? (The word "you" >in this sentence is not necessarily referring to DLUNU or any other >particular individual in this newsgroup.) Ambrose Bierce? Wow... now there's a real winner to follow and expound idioms from. Why'd he run off to Mexico to die? Oh, that's right... he was being 'iconoclastic'.
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 14:52 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <n75kmc$qeu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186174 |
On Wednesday 13 Jan 2016 13:39, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn
> <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us:
>
>> I know the answer to the above question. But do you? (The word
>> "you" in this sentence is not necessarily referring to DLUNU or any
>> other particular individual in this newsgroup.)
>
> Ambrose Bierce? Wow... now there's a real winner to follow and
> expound idioms from. Why'd he run off to Mexico to die?
As I gather, he was a socialist and he wanted to fight for Pancho Villa.
He did presumably die in Mexico, but nobody really knows. All that is
known about him is that he suddenly disappeared.
According to Quentin Tarantino, the vampires had something to do with
that. ;)
> Oh, that's right... he was being 'iconoclastic'.
If anything, that he was, yes.
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= Aragorn =
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| From | "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 18:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <56968e4e$0$23762$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #186169 |
Op 13-01-16 om 13:14 schreef Aragorn: > What you should always ask yourself/yourselves, in any conflict, is > first and foremost, "Cui bono?" Who benefits from all this bickering, > from all these conflicts, from all these wars? Follow the money... We don't need to agree on all but I say: well written Aragon.
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 15:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <9udd9b50jd200md3abslcn3ss7k7jvqscs@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186202 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:50:06 +0100, "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> Gave us: >Op 13-01-16 om 13:14 schreef Aragorn: >> What you should always ask yourself/yourselves, in any conflict, is >> first and foremost, "Cui bono?" Who benefits from all this bickering, >> from all these conflicts, from all these wars? >Follow the money... > >We don't need to agree on all but I say: well written Aragon. "The money"? http://tinyurl.com/hygf5b4
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| From | Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 14:53 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <pan.2016.01.13.20.53.42@INVALID.org> |
| In reply to | #186169 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn wrote: > and the word "Christ" > comes from the Greek word Kristos ─ meaning "the anointed one" ─ and may > have been derived from the name Krishna. etymology is fun to make up. in the less fun world of factual research 'christos' is the past participle in Greek of the verb 'krio' which means to 'anoint' (as you note) which I take it was a way of appointing someone king among the Hebrews; it is a Greek translation of the Hebrew word of the same meaning (viz. 'messiah'). 'krishna' is derived in Sanskrit from the word for 'dark' or 'dark-blue' and Lord Krishna is often portrayed as dark-blue. maybe he bathed in blue ink! <g> ah, the saying is "divide et impera", there is no 'conquere' in Latin. 'conquirere' exists and is related to 'acquire' (and 'inquire', 'question', etc.). looks like the expression doesn't originate with Caesar. it's easy to google this stuff; f.
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| From | Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-15 07:14 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Something for Aragorn (and others) to ponder. |
| Message-ID | <C9adncSSqblZfwXLnZ2dnUU7-UGdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #186212 |
Nemo <Nemo@INVALID.org> writes: > On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:14:14 +0100, Aragorn wrote: > >> and the word "Christ" >> comes from the Greek word Kristos ─ meaning "the anointed one" ─ and may >> have been derived from the name Krishna. > > etymology is fun to make up. in the less fun world of factual research 'christos' is the past > participle in Greek of the verb 'krio' which means to 'anoint' (as you note) which I take it was > a way of appointing someone king among the Hebrews; it is a Greek translation of the > Hebrew word of the same meaning (viz. 'messiah'). My impression is that someone who was anointed was simply a priest who had been rubbed with oil and consecrated. There wasn't any connotation of being a messiah, nor was it anything really special. I think I remember reading that all priests were anointed at that time. Perhaps he was different because he wasn't a member of the priest class? Was he anointed by his followers? > > 'krishna' is derived in Sanskrit from the word for 'dark' or 'dark-blue' and Lord Krishna is often > portrayed as dark-blue. > > maybe he bathed in blue ink! <g> Woad? There used to be claims that the Picts dyed themselves with woad. Was Jesus a pagan? :)
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