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| Started by | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2016-01-06 23:35 +0100 |
| Last post | 2016-01-11 12:58 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 236 — 32 participants |
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Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-06 23:35 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-06 18:11 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 19:23 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-07 09:03 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-07 10:35 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-07 16:03 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 09:41 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 10:03 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-09 09:14 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 11:37 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-09 09:08 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 11:42 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-10 09:59 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-09 12:22 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-09 17:36 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-09 23:53 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 20:38 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 02:03 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 02:54 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 22:21 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 03:24 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 23:21 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 04:25 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 03:29 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 22:18 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 03:20 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 23:19 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 04:23 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 00:40 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 12:47 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:40 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 14:30 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 00:29 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 12:32 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:28 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 13:33 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:42 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 13:55 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Penny Tration <fedora_the_explora@asia.com> - 2016-01-10 22:49 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 19:07 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Penny Tration <fedora_the_explora@asia.com> - 2016-01-11 02:56 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-11 00:14 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-01-11 20:35 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-10 12:15 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-10 14:23 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 14:09 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 20:32 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-10 06:27 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:25 -0500
Buh bye redux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-10 08:26 -0500
Re: Buh bye redux DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:41 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-10 17:27 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-10 11:32 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-09 18:43 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 22:17 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-09 23:10 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 00:42 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-10 06:30 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 05:09 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-10 08:24 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 06:44 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 14:05 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 13:03 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-10 08:52 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-10 08:27 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-10 11:03 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 12:25 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-10 15:13 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-10 17:29 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 18:31 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-11 03:59 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-11 08:11 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-11 10:22 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:32 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 08:44 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2016-01-11 16:51 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 04:18 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 08:14 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 07:01 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 09:43 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 08:40 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 15:58 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-12 08:49 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:42 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:33 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 16:00 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-13 12:21 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-13 08:10 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 06:48 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-13 12:59 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:24 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-13 16:51 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-14 14:58 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-14 11:24 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 11:35 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-12 15:04 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:38 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 15:53 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 01:01 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 18:29 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 04:14 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 04:27 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 03:51 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 03:48 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-12 03:22 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 12:47 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-12 08:31 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-12 11:16 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:47 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 12:58 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-12 10:01 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 15:12 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-13 08:58 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:46 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-12 11:56 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 04:05 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-13 08:38 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:27 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-13 12:30 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2016-01-13 13:44 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:11 -0400
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:30 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 16:52 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:16 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-14 05:51 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2016-01-14 08:56 -0400
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 09:34 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-14 11:43 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 11:50 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-14 08:52 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2016-01-14 14:00 -0400
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 13:28 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-12 12:56 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:17 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 05:11 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 09:38 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-13 08:42 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 09:48 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 09:58 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-13 08:51 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 15:31 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-13 23:03 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-14 02:34 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:35 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 04:44 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 14:51 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 15:36 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 13:36 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-10 20:49 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-10 20:58 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-10 21:02 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:54 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-11 08:00 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:26 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-10 08:34 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-01-10 10:41 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 04:56 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-01-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 04:36 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-01-12 14:04 +0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 12:52 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 06:18 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 09:58 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 08:48 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-01-13 03:49 +0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 05:13 -0700
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-10 09:53 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2016-01-07 05:55 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-07 00:21 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-07 00:26 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-07 13:54 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-07 19:28 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-07 21:52 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-08 11:08 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-08 08:38 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-08 17:14 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-08 20:51 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 01:39 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-09 13:24 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-09 16:32 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 00:45 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-10 11:42 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-09 08:34 +0000
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-09 10:41 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-09 13:33 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 00:41 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:16 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-10 12:08 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-10 14:24 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:02 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-08 18:26 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-08 22:56 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-09 10:51 -0200
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 14:12 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:13 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 15:32 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:59 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 10:01 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 16:52 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 11:07 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 17:31 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 12:30 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-09 10:33 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 21:47 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 10:03 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 17:39 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 12:28 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 19:03 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-10 19:26 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 19:31 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 14:15 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 21:08 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-10 22:37 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 18:57 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-10 14:30 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 22:40 +0100
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 20:56 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-11 08:52 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-11 10:11 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 09:06 -0800
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) system8752@home.comm - 2016-01-11 01:10 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Harold Stevens <wookie@cindy.localdomain> - 2016-01-11 06:21 -0600
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-11 08:29 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-11 08:54 -0500
Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-11 12:06 -0800
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 15:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n76j3o$th5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186197 |
Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-01-13, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote: >> crankypuss wrote: >>> Jonathan N. Little wrote: >> >>>> >>>> For those I switch from Windows, I importance of the password and >>>> not to let anyone else "borrow" their profile. I demo the Guest >>>> Account for them for when friends and grand-kids that want to play >>>> when they visit... >>> >>> That's the sensible, traditional approach. >>> >>> The only reason we need different userids, and all the authorization >>> and locking complexity inherent in a multi-user system (two or more >>> users logged on at once), is to keep people from trashing each >>> other's files, or from trashing system files. >>> >>> If each user has a USB stick that contains all of his data and >>> applications, and that "volume" is sandboxed from the "system", >>> things become a great deal simpler. >>> >>> Imagine a setup where everything you need is on a USB stick, all >>> your personal data and all the applications you've collected, >>> modified, or >>> built from scratch are on it. Insert it in your friend's USB port, >>> and it's just like being at home, even if your friend is running >>> Windows or Mac-OS or whatever else he may prefer. >>> >>> What it amounts to is basically a different kind of "Desktop >>> Environment" that isn't locked into any linux distro, or even locked >>> into linux. >>> >> >> Well I guess MS Windows is in your future, because that concept is >> where MS is heading. Only instead of a USB stick, ol's MS will hold >> your data in their cloud and you will log into your subscription of >> MS Desktop, independent of the hardware. Win-win for MS: guaranteed >> revenue stream and they got your data as leverage. >> >> No thanks! I am just fine with the "complexity" of a multiuser OS and >> guardianship of my own data. > > Sounds like what Scott McNealy was doing with the JavaDesktop on Sun a > ways back. Not exactly sure what it was called so perhaps someone else > might remember. Scott did a demo of it so there might be a video on > YouTube of it. > > Basically he had an ID card he would plug into a Sun system and it > would log that user in. They'd have their desktop, their apps, etc. IOW another form of "fingerprint reader" that reads a chip-card? Were their apps and data on the "card" or on the "system"? > Microsoft also has the whole concept of roaming profiles. And of > course there is the terminal server. > > I don't see this being all that different from our own Home > directories. Each user gets their own home dir and change change their > background, etc. The difference is we're doing all this on the local > machine. I think the important differences are (a) the apps are centrally installed, and (b) the apps use your /home directory as a toilet. Because apps are centrally installed, each user is subject to the update blues. > You're not carrying it around with you on the USB drive, but > I'd imagine that could be modified to work with your own USB drive > perhaps with automount and a little path trickery to get it on your > USB. Modification of the OS is outside the rules for this project. I've yet to run across any linux distro where there wasn't some kind of file-manager one could use to navigate to an executable and run it. Therefore that's one of the LCD's (Lowest Common Denominator, not display). Likewise the location of the "system-app" has to be at a relatively easy-to-remember and easy-to-type location on the volume that contains the "system-app". > You could plug in the USB drive, login and then the act of > logging it would have set your home to the USB drive. You logout, and > then disconnect the USB drive. Don't know if that makes sense. It makes sense to me. It isn't an approach that I'd choose, but it makes sense. The "app-volume" needs to remain separate. If the end- user can find it and run it, that's "home free". If the system is set up to recognize it during automount, that's an added convenience for the user, he doesn't have to find it and run it himself. > Today though the USB drives are getting so large, like 128 GBs is > enough to just hold an entire Linux system and you'd just plug that > into a PC and boot off it. I carry a 64 GB stick, and it has room for... can't check at the moment, no USB ports available on this fancy xps, but as I remember it'll multi- boot Ubuntu-oneiric, Debian wheezy, jessie, or stretch, in addition to having all my code and data. It boots on 2 of my 3 systems, but the 3rd is UEFI-only so I have to fix the boot setup still. A "rescue disk" without any executables on it isn't much of a "rescue disk" after all. > Wish I could find the Scott McNealy demo. He had it right a long time > ago. I liked Sun. They did a lot of good things. Sorry to see them in > the hands of Oracle. Big corporate fish eat little corporate fish, that's how they grow to eat more customers at each bite. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | mike <ham789@netzero.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 23:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n77h32$d9m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186197 |
On 1/13/2016 8:51 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-01-13, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote: >> crankypuss wrote: >>> Jonathan N. Little wrote: >> >>>> >>>> For those I switch from Windows, I importance of the password and not >>>> to let anyone else "borrow" their profile. I demo the Guest Account >>>> for them for when friends and grand-kids that want to play when they >>>> visit... >>> >>> That's the sensible, traditional approach. >>> >>> The only reason we need different userids, and all the authorization and >>> locking complexity inherent in a multi-user system (two or more users >>> logged on at once), is to keep people from trashing each other's files, >>> or from trashing system files. >>> >>> If each user has a USB stick that contains all of his data and >>> applications, and that "volume" is sandboxed from the "system", things >>> become a great deal simpler. >>> >>> Imagine a setup where everything you need is on a USB stick, all your >>> personal data and all the applications you've collected, modified, or >>> built from scratch are on it. Insert it in your friend's USB port, and >>> it's just like being at home, even if your friend is running Windows or >>> Mac-OS or whatever else he may prefer. >>> >>> What it amounts to is basically a different kind of "Desktop >>> Environment" that isn't locked into any linux distro, or even locked >>> into linux. >>> >> >> Well I guess MS Windows is in your future, because that concept is where >> MS is heading. Only instead of a USB stick, ol's MS will hold your data >> in their cloud and you will log into your subscription of MS Desktop, >> independent of the hardware. Win-win for MS: guaranteed revenue stream >> and they got your data as leverage. >> >> No thanks! I am just fine with the "complexity" of a multiuser OS and >> guardianship of my own data. > > Sounds like what Scott McNealy was doing with the JavaDesktop on Sun a > ways back. Not exactly sure what it was called so perhaps someone else > might remember. Scott did a demo of it so there might be a video on > YouTube of it. > > Basically he had an ID card he would plug into a Sun system and it would > log that user in. They'd have their desktop, their apps, etc. > > Microsoft also has the whole concept of roaming profiles. And of course > there is the terminal server. > > I don't see this being all that different from our own Home > directories. Each user gets their own home dir and change change their > background, etc. The difference is we're doing all this on the local > machine. You're not carrying it around with you on the USB drive, but > I'd imagine that could be modified to work with your own USB drive > perhaps with automount and a little path trickery to get it on your USB. > You could plug in the USB drive, login and then the act of logging it > would have set your home to the USB drive. You logout, and then > disconnect the USB drive. Don't know if that makes sense. > > Today though the USB drives are getting so large, like 128 GBs is enough > to just hold an entire Linux system and you'd just plug that into a PC > and boot off it. That's been available and convenient for years with Puppy Linux. Boots from USB, runs in RAM. You get to decide when, if ever, anything gets written back to the USB thumb drive, so you never have to worry about wearing it out. And Puppy has the most robust hardware support that I've encountered. Never gave me any problems with hardware drivers. Even Nvidia just works!! Puppy and Hiren's both fit on a dual-boot 2GB thumb drive with space to spare. > > Wish I could find the Scott McNealy demo. He had it right a long time > ago. I liked Sun. They did a lot of good things. Sorry to see them in > the hands of Oracle. >
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 02:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cqje9b51ib2i4troun8d8qc98ql5831nmb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186230 |
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:03:08 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us: >Puppy and Hiren's both fit on a dual-boot 2GB thumb drive with space to >spare. > >> And absofuckinglutely nothing installed.
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 14:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n76fpj$g98$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186185 |
Jonathan N. Little wrote: > crankypuss wrote: >> Jonathan N. Little wrote: > >>> >>> For those I switch from Windows, I importance of the password and >>> not to let anyone else "borrow" their profile. I demo the Guest >>> Account for them for when friends and grand-kids that want to play >>> when they visit... >> >> That's the sensible, traditional approach. >> >> The only reason we need different userids, and all the authorization >> and locking complexity inherent in a multi-user system (two or more >> users logged on at once), is to keep people from trashing each >> other's files, or from trashing system files. >> >> If each user has a USB stick that contains all of his data and >> applications, and that "volume" is sandboxed from the "system", >> things become a great deal simpler. >> >> Imagine a setup where everything you need is on a USB stick, all your >> personal data and all the applications you've collected, modified, or >> built from scratch are on it. Insert it in your friend's USB port, >> and it's just like being at home, even if your friend is running >> Windows or Mac-OS or whatever else he may prefer. >> >> What it amounts to is basically a different kind of "Desktop >> Environment" that isn't locked into any linux distro, or even locked >> into linux. >> > > Well I guess MS Windows is in your future, because that concept is > where MS is heading. Only instead of a USB stick, ol's MS will hold > your data in their cloud and you will log into your subscription of MS > Desktop, independent of the hardware. Win-win for MS: guaranteed > revenue stream and they got your data as leverage. Being bastards doesn't make people stupid. > No thanks! I am just fine with the "complexity" of a multiuser OS and > guardianship of my own data. Don't look at me, I'm not signing up for anybody's "cloud" as long as I can avoid it, I want my own "cloud" in my own pocket. I like having my own data independent from my own systems, that way when civilization collapses, I can dig through some dump and find a working laptop and keep on truckin'. Why would I do that if civilization had collapsed? Hell, I'm not sure that it hasn't. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 04:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n75d63$361$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186131 |
Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:31:49 -0800 > Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote: > >> On 2016-01-12, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> > Linux is built on the multi-user paradigm. That's fine for >> > universities or corporations that have mainframes or server-farms >> > large enough to bother sharing, but day by day it is becoming >> > yesterday's paradigm, because the number of individual-use systems >> > is outgrowing multi-user systems by orders of magnitude. >> >> Wow, I couldn't disagree more. Windows spent a long time and a lot of >> money to become multi-user from its single user days. Steve jobs used >> to show off features that fast user switching. Having multiple users >> on one PC is very much alive and well. It's even spreading to >> Android. And from a security point of view it is a must have feature. >> >> > Today's paradigm is thin-client/server. Indivudal-user thin >> > clients, backed by servers that may be local to the same hardware, >> > or remote on a network. >> >> You will always have consumers that want consumer grade hardware and >> software. If you're in this group I seriously doubt those are the >> shoes you put on in the morning. >> >> Aside from a few trolls, we're all using multi-user by choice. >> > When my daughters were young and in school we had only the one > computer. We each had our own user and switched between them all the > time, at least 4 or 5 times an evening depending on who neede4d it. > Those users still exist on my current machine and sometimes when they > are over they still use them. > > Multi-user is not dead and still has uses for families with only one > box. > > Cybe R. Wizard We've got our terminology twisted up here. A laptop is a simple model. One screen, one keyboard, a pointing device or two, those are (in generic terms) what one user needs to communicate with the system. Only one user can operate those controls at a time (unless your cat walks over the keyboard, or you're using a microphone at a party). That user can be logged in on his "workstation", or not. If userA logs out and userB logs in, it's still one user at a time. What I call a multi-user system is a system where both userA and userB are logged in at the same time. This is the old model where something like a mainframe is supporting many users at once. It's the model where you install applications in the root directory because you're saving storage by sharing the apps between users. It's the model where simultaneous access to files by multiple users becomes potentially problematic. Here's where it gets potentially confusing. When userA is logged in, his "Desktop Environment" can be viewed as a thin-client between the user and the OS, even if that DE is a line-mode console. It takes input from the user and sends it to the OS. The question of whether that is done via direct-function-call or remote-procedure-call is kind of irrelevant, since rpc amounts to dfc where the function directly called acts as an intermediary to the remote procedure; the real differences are in timing and complexity with a nod to connectivity. If you consider the DE to be a thin-client, it doesn't matter whether the server for a particular operation is on the local hardware or on remote hardware. In the case of current linux systems it may be /usr/bin/cp that acts as your server, even though you might think of it as just a linux core command. It's mostly a way of looking at what we have now, until you start looking at where apps are installed and where app data lands. The multi-user view puts the apps in /usr/bin/wherever and there's one copy of each app per system. The thin-client view puts the apps in userA or userB's storage space, rather than in the shared storage of /usr/bin or wherever. The multi-user paradigm puts all the apps in one place, and both you and your daughters and whoever else are pretty much stuck with the same set of applications. Somebody designated as "adminstrator" does the installing and maintaining. App data gets jammed into /home along with the data for previous versions of the app which might not be compatible. With the thin-client paradigm each user has his own storage space and his own apps and his own data. userA can update his apps without affecting userB or userC. They can all still use the "system" commands and services. There's a separation between "system" and "apps" that lets both become more modular and maintainable. Applications can become independent of what distro they're running on top of, distros can be updated without screwing around all the apps people are trying to use when the email tells them that "On Friday night we are updating to version XXX and you will need to convert your data to the new format good luck". -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 14:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <56966482$0$23732$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #186165 |
In alt.os.linux crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > A laptop is a simple model. One screen, one keyboard, a pointing device > or two, those are (in generic terms) what one user needs to communicate > with the system. Yeah and when you use that simple laptop (or even tablet) to connect to your machine at home - be it with ssh to Linux or rdp (rdesktop) to Windows, while your wife (or kids) are working on that same machine you suddenly ARE using that machine in multi-user mode.
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n76jcs$uka$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186189 |
Eef Hartman wrote: > In alt.os.linux crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> A laptop is a simple model. One screen, one keyboard, a pointing >> device or two, those are (in generic terms) what one user needs to >> communicate with the system. > > Yeah and when you use that simple laptop (or even tablet) to connect > to your machine at home - be it with ssh to Linux or rdp (rdesktop) to > Windows, while your wife (or kids) are working on that same machine > you suddenly ARE using that machine in multi-user mode. Given the current linux "multi-user" model, yes. OTOH, you're using your home machine as a server, the server portion of a client-server pairing. The fact that your client is "remote" doesn't mean much imo, the architecture is conceptually identical even though the implementation isn't. Think about the difference between a "multi-user OS" and a server that is supporting multiple clients. There isn't much, except that the server has more options wrt how locking is performed, order of client servicing, etc. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 13:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n6uf7k$8g9$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #185997 |
Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-01-10, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> I'm running LXDE on Debian jessie. What package is "xscreensaver- >> command" part of, that it doesn't show up in synaptic search results? > > This is one area where I still feel like apt / dpkg still lags behind > rpm / yum. The query system is not as good. > > with rpm I can determine which package owns a command... > > $ rpm -qf $(which vim) > vim-enhanced-7.4.160-1.el7.x86_64 Synaptic attempts to list dependencies in the properties subtab for a give package. > And I can get package info on the package that owns the command: > > $ rpm -qi $(rpm -qf $(which vim)) > Name : vim-enhanced > Epoch : 2 > Version : 7.4.160 > Release : 1.el7 > Architecture: x86_64 > Install Date: Sat 24 Oct 2015 08:54:08 AM PDT > Group : Applications/Editors > Size : 2292114 > License : Vim > Signature : RSA/SHA256, Thu 03 Jul 2014 10:41:13 PM PDT, Key ID > 24c6a8a7f4a80eb5 > Source RPM : vim-7.4.160-1.el7.src.rpm > Build Date : Mon 09 Jun 2014 11:56:27 PM PDT > Build Host : worker1.bsys.centos.org > Relocations : (not relocatable) > Packager : CentOS BuildSystem <http://bugs.centos.org> > Vendor : CentOS > URL : http://www.vim.org/ > Summary : A version of the VIM editor which includes recent > enhancements > Description : > VIM (VIsual editor iMproved) is an updated and improved version of the > vi editor. Vi was the first real screen-based editor for UNIX, and is > still very popular. VIM improves on vi by adding new features: > multiple windows, multi-level undo, block highlighting and more. The > vim-enhanced package contains a version of VIM with extra, recently > introduced features like Python and Perl interpreters. Okay, it seems obligated to do that if it's going to break through the "necessary" barrier on the way to "sufficient". > Install the vim-enhanced package if you'd like to use a version of the > VIM editor which includes recently added enhancements like > interpreters for the Python and Perl scripting languages. You'll also > need to install the vim-common package. > > In Debian you could install a tool called, dlocate.... > > $ sudo apt-get install dlocate > > Now search for packages that have a match for the command string: > > $ dlocate -S $(which vim) > vim: /usr/bin/vim.basic > vim-gnome: /usr/bin/vim.gnome > vim-runtime: /usr/bin/vimtutor > vim-tiny: /usr/bin/vim.tiny > > Now show package info on these candidates. > > $ apt-cache show vim > Package: vim > Priority: optional > Section: editors > Installed-Size: 2388 > Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> > Original-Maintainer: Debian Vim Maintainers > <pkg-vim-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> > Architecture: amd64 > Version: 2:7.4.712-2ubuntu4 > Provides: editor > Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.4.712-2ubuntu4), vim-runtime (= > 2:7.4.712-2ubuntu4), libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libc6 (>= 2.15), libgpm2 > (>= 1.20.4), libpython2.7 (>= 2.7), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libtinfo5 > Suggests: ctags, vim-doc, vim-scripts > Filename: pool/main/v/vim/vim_7.4.712-2ubuntu4_amd64.deb > Size: 1027872 > MD5sum: b4c1b4a4caa584cd4229c0015151e84f > SHA1: 85e8cd80c792030e7fc4e8e6427b58ea2458975f > SHA256: > ee955856d67f63001c3d1789ceab6efdb6331ae494af51e8346344063cd08119 > Description-en: Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor Vim is an almost > compatible version of the UNIX editor Vi. . > Many new features have been added: multi level undo, syntax > highlighting, command line history, on-line help, filename > completion, block operations, folding, Unicode support, etc. > . > This package contains a version of vim compiled with a rather > standard set of features. This package does not provide a GUI > version of Vim. See the other vim-* packages if you need more > (or less). > Description-md5: 59e8b8f7757db8b53566d5d119872de8 > Homepage: http://www.vim.org/ > Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug > Origin: Ubuntu > Supported: 9m > Task: ubuntu-usb, cloud-image, server, edubuntu-desktop-gnome, > edubuntu-usb Super. How's that compare with Git? -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | stepore <linshine@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 20:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n6vc49$27q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #185997 |
On 01/10/2016 08:27 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: > $ rpm -qf $(which vim) > vim-enhanced-7.4.160-1.el7.x86_64 I don't have access to an rpm-based box here. What does this show on your rpm-based box: ls -la /usr/bin/vim On Deb-based it points to: /etc/alternatives/vim Which then points back to: /usr/bin/vim.basic So, with vim, it could get pretty convoluted. To go back the the xscreensaver example, that works similar to your examples: dpkg -S $(which xscreensaver) then to get package info: apt-cache show $(dpkg -S $(which xscreensaver)) Not debating whether rpm/yum is better or worse than dpkg/apt Just sayin' ;)
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 20:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <oZidnR_Mi4_Dqw7LnZ2dnUVZ5hidnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #186034 |
On 2016-01-11, stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote: > On 01/10/2016 08:27 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> $ rpm -qf $(which vim) >> vim-enhanced-7.4.160-1.el7.x86_64 > > I don't have access to an rpm-based box here. What does this show on > your rpm-based box: > ls -la /usr/bin/vim > > On Deb-based it points to: > /etc/alternatives/vim > > Which then points back to: > /usr/bin/vim.basic > > So, with vim, it could get pretty convoluted. > > To go back the the xscreensaver example, that works similar to your > examples: > > dpkg -S $(which xscreensaver) > > then to get package info: > apt-cache show $(dpkg -S $(which xscreensaver)) > > Not debating whether rpm/yum is better or worse than dpkg/apt > Just sayin' > ;) It works with nano. It doesn't work with vim. rpm works 100% of the time so far that I have tried. It's very reliable. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | stepore <linshine@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 21:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <n6vcsr$94q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186036 |
On 01/10/2016 08:58 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > It works with nano. It doesn't work with vim. rpm works 100% of the time > so far that I have tried. It's very reliable. > Still wondering about the /etc/alternatives dir? Gotta be related. Deb-specific thing.
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| From | Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 08:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <56936db0$0$23771$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #186037 |
In alt.os.linux stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote: > Still wondering about the /etc/alternatives dir? > Gotta be related. Deb-specific thing. No, at least (open)SUSE is using such a dir (and chain of links) too. My Slackware (non-deb and non-rpm) isn't: $ ls -l /usr/bin/vim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2158416 2013-10-03 03:15 /usr/bin/vim so no links, just the executable file. $ grep usr/bin/vim /var/log/packages/* /var/log/packages/vim-7.4.050-i486-1:usr/bin/vim shows that it's part of the vim-7.4.050 package (in Slackware the contents of packages are stored as plain text files, you can see/search them with standard Unix tools).
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| From | John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 08:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <8737u4p65p.fsf@thumper.dhh.gt.org> |
| In reply to | #186050 |
Eef writes: > in Slackware the contents of packages are stored as plain text files, > you can see/search them with standard Unix tools Same with Debian: ls -w 72 /var/lib/dpkg alternatives diversions methlock statoverride-old updates available diversions-old methods status available-old info parts status-old cmethopt lock statoverride triggers ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/bc* /var/lib/dpkg/info/bc.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/bc.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/bc.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/bc.postrm cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/bc.list /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc-base /usr/share/doc-base/bc /usr/share/man /usr/share/man/man1 /usr/share/man/man1/bc.1.gz /usr/share/info /usr/share/info/bc.info.gz /usr/share/doc /usr/share/doc/bc /usr/share/doc/bc/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/bc/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/bc/README /usr/share/doc/bc/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/bc/bc.html /usr/share/doc/bc/copyright /usr/share/doc/bc/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/bc/examples /usr/share/doc/bc/examples/pi.b /usr/share/doc/bc/examples/primes.b /usr/share/doc/bc/examples/ckbook.b /usr/share/doc/bc/examples/twins.b /usr/share/menu /usr/share/menu/bc /usr/bin /usr/bin/bc Everything in the dpkg database is plain text. -- John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
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| From | DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 08:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cum49blrpcmu5rm1tukk94a6bak4sbpha4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #185970 |
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 06:30:11 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> Gave us: >DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > >> On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:43:30 -0700, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> >> Gave us: >> >>>Is there a way to get xcreensaver to lock immediately? >> >> Maybe set it to lock (prompt for password)and zero minutes perhaps. >> Otherwise one minute is the minimum, IIRC. > >xscreensaver-command -lock > >Easy to bind to a hot-key if one wishes. Fine. > >That's my method, anyway. Fine. >Your "GUI" may have something you prefer. Grow the fuck up, child.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 08:34 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20160110083402.754ac9fb@wizardstower.lan> |
| In reply to | #185970 |
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 06:30:11 -0500 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote this copyrighted missive and expects > royalties: > > > On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:43:30 -0700, crankypuss > > <invalid@invalid.invalid> Gave us: > > > >>Is there a way to get xcreensaver to lock immediately? > > > > Maybe set it to lock (prompt for password)and zero minutes > > perhaps. Otherwise one minute is the minimum, IIRC. > > xscreensaver-command -lock > > Easy to bind to a hot-key if one wishes. > > That's my method, anyway. Your "GUI" may have something you prefer. > The screen lock/screenshot part of gkrellm does that, too. Cybe R. Wizard -- Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326 Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136
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| From | Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 10:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dfeqqqFt6r1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #185947 |
On 2016-01-10, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: <snip> > I'm just now moving from it to apt command- > line, a little at a time. For finding something to install it's pretty > good in that it offers a search facility then lets you get details on > that package. Maybe apt does that too in cli form, I'm not sure yet. Yes, apt has a search facility. A Example: apt-cache search xscreensaver root@aptosid-7312:/home/kirkus# apt-cache search xscreensaver xscreensaver-screensaver-dizzy - Graphics demo that makes you dizzy gkrellshoot - Plugin for gkrellm to lock the screen and make screenshots libopengl-xscreensaver-perl - Perl module for writing OpenGL-based XScreenSaver hacks lxde-core - Metapackage for the LXDE core rss-glx - Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port unicode-screensaver - screensaver displaying unicode characters wmmatrix - View The Matrix in a Window Maker dock application xscreensaver - Screensaver daemon and frontend for X11 xscreensaver-data - Screen saver modules for screensaver frontends xscreensaver-data-extra - Extra screen saver modules for screensaver frontends xscreensaver-gl - GL(Mesa) screen saver modules for screensaver frontends xscreensaver-gl-extra - Extra GL(Mesa) screen saver modules for screensaver frontends xscreensaver-screensaver-bsod - BSOD screen saver module from XScreenSaver xscreensaver-screensaver-webcollage - Webcollage screen saver module from XScreenSaver xss-lock - invoke external screen lock in response to XScreenSaver events kdm-gdmcompat - Provide basic gdm functionality to systems running kdm <snip> > > Cool. Maybe the siduction guys will run a 32bit-LXDE build. > Hopefully, they have done so up to now. <snip> > > Is there a way to get xcreensaver to lock immediately? > Yes you can set it by running: xscreensaver-demo from your USER terminal, Not from a Root shell.
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-10 04:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n6tgp7$huv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #185968 |
Kirk_Von_Rockstein wrote: > On 2016-01-10, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> Cool. Maybe the siduction guys will run a 32bit-LXDE build. >> > Hopefully, they have done so up to now. They stopped. First release with builtin drivers (paintitblack) has no 32bit build: http://news.siduction.org/2015/12/release-notes-for-2015-1-dev-release/ crankypuss 2016/01/07 at 22:56: "How come there’s no i386 build for paintitblack?" reply: "We are trying to find out, how many people will miss those. So far maybe a dozen. The final release might ship it, not decided yet" So if you want them to continue, speak up. > <snip> > >> >> Is there a way to get xcreensaver to lock immediately? >> > > Yes you can set it by running: > xscreensaver-demo > from your USER terminal, Not from a Root shell. Don't know how, I have it set to "Lock screen after 0 minutes" and it still takes 5 seconds after I've clicked the lock-screen icon before it overwrites the screen. I kind of prefer the old screensaver used with Ubuntu oneiric, whatever it was, probably gnome-screensaver or suchlike; it blanked the screen instantly and displayed current time. Presumably it's easy to change to that one if you know how, but I didn't ask for xscreensaver, it came with LXDE from what I can tell, so without wasting time digging around on the net to find out how, I just let it be, more important to read the EFI spec and get my rescue/backup utilities booting on EFI-only systems just now; I'll deal with screensavers once more important things are done. If you do want those 32bit siduction builds to confinue, let 'em know there's more than "maybe a dozen" people who will miss them. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-11 15:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dfhvmsFnsutU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #185971 |
On 2016-01-10, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: <snip> > They stopped. First release with builtin drivers (paintitblack) has no > 32bit build: I did not catch that, thought they were going to provide 32 bit i686 at later point in time. <snip> > > Don't know how, I have it set to "Lock screen after 0 minutes" and it > still takes 5 seconds after I've clicked the lock-screen icon before it > overwrites the screen. The "lock-screen icon" is located on the lxpanel/tray I presume? Without knowing what script, *.desktop, app/binary that "lock-screen icon" is a gui pointer to ... (be easy enough to find out though) If you run: xscreensaver-command -lock from USER term, does it lock immediately? If you run: lxlock from User term, does it lock immediately? > I kind of prefer the old screensaver used with Ubuntu oneiric, whatever > it was, probably gnome-screensaver or suchlike; it blanked the screen > instantly and displayed current time. I'm sure you can do the same with xscreensaver. Just a matter of configuration. > Presumably it's easy to change to > that one if you know how, but I didn't ask for xscreensaver, it came > with LXDE Other than xlock, xlock-more ..I think xscreensaver is used now days on most all. >from what I can tell, so without wasting time digging around > on the net to find out how, I just let it be, more important to read the > EFI spec and get my rescue/backup utilities booting on EFI-only systems > just now; I'll deal with screensavers once more important things are > done. I hear you, but it should be easy enough to fix.
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| From | crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-12 04:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n72oai$11n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186057 |
Kirk_Von_Rockstein wrote: > On 2016-01-10, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > <snip> >> They stopped. First release with builtin drivers (paintitblack) has >> no 32bit build: > > I did not catch that, thought they were going to provide > 32 bit i686 at later point in time. There's no 32bit build in paintitblack, and they're thinking about whether or not to bother including them in future releases, just like I'm thinking about whether or not to bother with siduction, which is of no use to me if it's 64bit only. > <snip> > >> >> Don't know how, I have it set to "Lock screen after 0 minutes" and it >> still takes 5 seconds after I've clicked the lock-screen icon before >> it overwrites the screen. > > The "lock-screen icon" is located on the lxpanel/tray I presume? > Without knowing what script, *.desktop, app/binary > that "lock-screen icon" is a gui pointer to ... > (be easy enough to find out though) > > If you run: > xscreensaver-command -lock > from USER term, does it lock immediately? > > If you run: > lxlock > from User term, does it lock immediately? > > >> I kind of prefer the old screensaver used with Ubuntu oneiric, >> whatever it was, probably gnome-screensaver or suchlike; it blanked >> the screen instantly and displayed current time. > > I'm sure you can do the same with xscreensaver. > Just a matter of configuration. Turns out to be a matter of sending the right options to the right command, just like everything else in the software world ought to be. Someone provided the necessary clues, it's working fine now. As far as I can tell it's impossible with lxpanel, but easy with cairo-dock. I don't much care what I use, I just want some reliable programmable "hands". <g> >> Presumably it's easy to change to >> that one if you know how, but I didn't ask for xscreensaver, it came >> with LXDE > > Other than xlock, xlock-more ..I think xscreensaver is used now days > on most all. It's okay, puts up a pretty fiber-lamp, requests password before unlocking. Running xscreensaver-demo I've been unable to get it to display date/time, which would be nice, but it works the way it is. >>from what I can tell, so without wasting time digging around >> on the net to find out how, I just let it be, more important to read >> the EFI spec and get my rescue/backup utilities booting on EFI-only >> systems just now; I'll deal with screensavers once more important >> things are done. > > I hear you, but it should be easy enough to fix. It was, but I'm learning some very interesting things from the EFI spec, things I might be able to use to actual advantage. -- http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]
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| From | Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-12 14:04 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ln6fmc-8q2.ln1@Ubuntu.mike-r.com> |
| In reply to | #186106 |
On 12/01/16 13:36, crankypuss wrote: > Kirk_Von_Rockstein wrote: > >> On 2016-01-10, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> <snip> > > It's okay, puts up a pretty fiber-lamp, requests password before > unlocking. Running xscreensaver-demo I've been unable to get it to On Ubuntu Tahr desktop (fairly vanilla) xscreensaver-demo --> choose GLtext --> Settings --> in the Command Line box enter: "gltext -root -delay 71429 -text '%A%n%d %b %Y%n%r' -spin YZ" (without the quotes) works for me... <snipped> -- Mike R. Home: http://alpha.mike-r.com/ QOTD: http://alpha.mike-r.com/php/qotd.php No Micro$oft products were used in the URLs above, or in preparing this message. Recommended reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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