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Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;)

From crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux.ubuntu, alt.os.linux
Subject Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;)
Date 2016-01-13 04:44 -0700
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Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:31:49 -0800
> Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-01-12, crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> > Linux is built on the multi-user paradigm.  That's fine for
>> > universities or corporations that have mainframes or server-farms
>> > large enough to bother sharing, but day by day it is becoming
>> > yesterday's paradigm, because the number of individual-use systems
>> > is outgrowing multi-user systems by orders of magnitude.
>> 
>> Wow, I couldn't disagree more. Windows spent a long time and a lot of
>> money to become multi-user from its single user days. Steve jobs used
>> to show off features that fast user switching. Having multiple users
>> on one PC is very much alive and well. It's even spreading to
>> Android. And from a security point of view it is a must have feature.
>> 
>> > Today's paradigm is thin-client/server.  Indivudal-user thin
>> > clients, backed by servers that may be local to the same hardware,
>> > or remote on a network.
>> 
>> You will always have consumers that want consumer grade hardware and
>> software. If you're in this group I seriously doubt those are the
>> shoes you put on in the morning.
>> 
>> Aside from a few trolls, we're all using multi-user by choice.
>> 
> When my daughters were young and in school we had only the one
> computer.  We each had our own user and switched between them all the
> time, at least 4 or 5 times an evening depending on who neede4d it.
> Those users still exist on my current machine and sometimes when they
> are over they still use them.
> 
> Multi-user is not dead and still has uses for families with only one
> box.
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

We've got our terminology twisted up here.

A laptop is a simple model.  One screen, one keyboard, a pointing device 
or two, those are (in generic terms) what one user needs to communicate 
with the system.  

Only one user can operate those controls at a time (unless your cat 
walks over the keyboard, or you're using a microphone at a party).  That 
user can be logged in on his "workstation", or not.

If userA logs out and userB logs in, it's still one user at a time.

What I call a multi-user system is a system where both userA and userB 
are logged in at the same time.  This is the old model where something 
like a mainframe is supporting many users at once.  It's the model where 
you install applications in the root directory because you're saving 
storage by sharing the apps between users.  It's the model where 
simultaneous access to files by multiple users becomes potentially 
problematic.

Here's where it gets potentially confusing.  When userA is logged in, 
his "Desktop Environment" can be viewed as a thin-client between the 
user and the OS, even if that DE is a line-mode console.  It takes input 
from the user and sends it to the OS.  The question of whether that is 
done via direct-function-call or remote-procedure-call is kind of 
irrelevant, since rpc amounts to dfc where the function directly called 
acts as an intermediary to the remote procedure; the real differences 
are in timing and complexity with a nod to connectivity.

If you consider the DE to be a thin-client, it doesn't matter whether 
the server for a particular operation is on the local hardware or on 
remote hardware.  In the case of current linux systems it may be 
/usr/bin/cp that acts as your server, even though you might think of it 
as just a linux core command.

It's mostly a way of looking at what we have now, until you start 
looking at where apps are installed and where app data lands.  The 
multi-user view puts the apps in /usr/bin/wherever and there's one copy 
of each app per system.  The thin-client view puts the apps in userA or 
userB's storage space, rather than in the shared storage of /usr/bin or 
wherever.

The multi-user paradigm puts all the apps in one place, and both you and 
your daughters and whoever else are pretty much stuck with the same set 
of applications.  Somebody designated as "adminstrator" does the 
installing and maintaining.  App data gets jammed into /home along with 
the data for previous versions of the app which might not be compatible.

With the thin-client paradigm each user has his own storage space and 
his own apps and his own data.  userA can update his apps without 
affecting userB or userC.  They can all still use the "system" commands 
and services.  There's a separation between "system" and "apps" that 
lets both become more modular and maintainable.  Applications can become 
independent of what distro they're running on top of, distros can be 
updated without screwing around all the apps people are trying to use 
when the email tells them that "On Friday night we are updating to 
version XXX and you will need to convert your data to the new format 
good luck".

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
  [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]

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          Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-09 18:43 -0700
            Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 22:17 -0500
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-09 23:10 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 00:42 -0500
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-10 06:30 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 05:09 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-10 08:24 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 06:44 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 14:05 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 13:03 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-10 08:52 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-10 08:27 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-10 11:03 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 12:25 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-10 15:13 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-10 17:29 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 18:31 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-11 03:59 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-11 08:11 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-11 10:22 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 10:32 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 08:44 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2016-01-11 16:51 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 04:18 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 08:14 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 07:01 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 09:43 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 08:40 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 15:58 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-12 08:49 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:42 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:33 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-12 16:00 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-13 12:21 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-13 08:10 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 06:48 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-13 12:59 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:24 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-13 16:51 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-14 14:58 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-14 11:24 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 11:35 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-12 15:04 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:38 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 15:53 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 01:01 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 18:29 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 04:14 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 04:27 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 03:51 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 03:48 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-12 03:22 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 12:47 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-12 08:31 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-12 11:16 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:47 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 12:58 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-12 10:01 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 15:12 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-13 08:58 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 10:46 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-12 11:56 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 04:05 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-13 08:38 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:27 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-13 12:30 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2016-01-13 13:44 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2016-01-13 14:11 -0400
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:30 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-13 16:52 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 00:16 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-14 05:51 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2016-01-14 08:56 -0400
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 09:34 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-14 11:43 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 11:50 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-14 08:52 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2016-01-14 14:00 -0400
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-14 13:28 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-12 12:56 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:17 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 05:11 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 09:38 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-13 08:42 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 09:48 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-13 09:58 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-13 08:51 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 15:31 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-13 23:03 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-14 02:34 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 14:35 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 04:44 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 14:51 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 15:36 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 13:36 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-10 20:49 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-10 20:58 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-10 21:02 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 08:54 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-11 08:00 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:26 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-10 08:34 -0600
            Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-01-10 10:41 +0000
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-10 04:56 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-01-11 15:23 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 04:36 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-01-12 14:04 +0200
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 12:52 +0000
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 06:18 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 09:58 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-12 08:48 -0700
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Henry Crun <mike@rechtman.com> - 2016-01-13 03:49 +0200
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-13 05:13 -0700
          Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-10 09:53 +0000
    Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Auric__" <not.my.real@email.address> - 2016-01-07 05:55 +0000
      Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-07 00:21 -0800
    Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-07 00:26 -0800
  Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-07 13:54 -0200
    Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-07 19:28 +0100
      Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-07 21:52 +0100
      Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-08 11:08 -0200
        Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-08 08:38 -0500
          Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-08 17:14 -0200
            Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-08 20:51 -0800
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-09 01:39 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-09 13:24 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2016-01-09 16:32 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 00:45 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-10 11:42 -0200
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-09 08:34 +0000
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-09 10:41 -0200
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-09 13:33 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-10 00:41 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 08:16 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-10 12:08 -0200
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-10 14:24 -0800
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:02 -0500
        Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-08 18:26 +0100
        Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-08 22:56 -0800
          Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2016-01-09 10:51 -0200
            Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 14:12 +0100
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:13 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 15:32 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 09:59 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 10:01 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 16:52 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 11:07 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 17:31 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-09 12:30 -0500
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-09 10:33 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-09 21:47 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 10:03 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 17:39 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 12:28 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 19:03 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-10 19:26 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 19:31 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 14:15 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 21:08 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-10 22:37 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-10 18:57 -0500
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-10 14:30 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) gamo <gamo@telecable.es> - 2016-01-10 22:40 +0100
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-10 20:56 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-11 08:52 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-01-11 10:11 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 09:06 -0800
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) system8752@home.comm - 2016-01-11 01:10 -0600
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Harold Stevens <wookie@cindy.localdomain> - 2016-01-11 06:21 -0600
          Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-01-11 08:29 -0500
            Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-11 08:54 -0500
              Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-11 12:06 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-11 16:53 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-11 16:25 -0800
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-12 02:42 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-11 16:54 -0500
                Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-12 00:20 +0000
            Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-11 09:03 -0800
  Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) pioruns <cvbehaf@b2.cy> - 2016-01-07 20:08 +0000
  Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) F8BOE <f8boe@bluemail.ch> - 2016-01-08 07:47 +0100
    Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-08 06:45 -0500
      Re: Vote for Ubuntu! ;) mike antipasto <pizzadude@mycomputerrox.org> - 2016-01-09 00:15 -0500
  Re: Vote for Your Distro Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2016-01-11 12:58 -0500

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