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  HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 00:49 +0000
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-28 19:30 -0600
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 02:58 +0000
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-01-28 18:51 -0800
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 03:02 +0000
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-29 02:22 -0500
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:28 -0500
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> - 2016-01-29 13:45 +0000
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-29 16:54 +0100
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 11:16 -0500
                Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-29 08:25 -0800
                  Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 11:43 -0500
                    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-29 10:16 -0800
                      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-29 14:34 -0600
                        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 20:00 -0500
                          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-01-30 02:51 +0000
                            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-30 09:35 +0000
                              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Catzilla <catzilla@pussyboss.invalid> - 2016-01-30 14:17 +0000
                      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:30 -0500
                        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-29 14:04 -0800
                        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-29 16:21 -0600
                          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 20:05 -0500
                    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "john" <z@z.z> - 2016-02-02 08:42 -0800
                  Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-29 19:40 +0100
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:22 -0500
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:25 -0500
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-29 05:20 -0500
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> - 2016-01-30 18:30 +0100
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-30 10:26 -0800
    Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Compu <hotwheels14901@me.com> - 2016-02-01 15:47 -0500
      Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-01 17:56 -0600
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-02-01 20:32 -0800
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 11:46 -0600
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Compu <hotwheels14901@me.com> - 2016-02-02 13:01 -0500
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 12:07 -0600
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2016-02-02 10:14 -0800
            Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-02-02 18:22 +0000
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-03 13:24 -0600
              Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-02-05 07:29 +0000
                Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-02-05 11:44 +0000
                  Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2016-02-06 20:57 +0000
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-02-02 15:32 +0100
          Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2016-02-02 11:54 -0600
        Re: HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop Compu <hotwheels14901@me.com> - 2016-02-02 12:29 -0500

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#186813 — HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop

HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop

A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the 
moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.

<http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
processor.product.286008#>

Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the Windows 
10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as Mint or 
Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I found one page 
at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.

-- 
   -bts

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#186815

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:49:29 -0000 (UTC)
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.inwalid> wrote:

>  is certified -ab257-nr Laptop
> 
> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the 
> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
> 
> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
> processor.product.286008#>  
> 
> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the
> Windows 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as
> Mint or Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I
> found one page at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
> 
I don't know about that -ab257-nr, but the HP Pavilion 15 is certified
for Ubuntu pre-installed systems, but this page:
<http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201307-13902/>
says:
----------
Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all on the system or may not
work well, though Canonical and computer manufacturers will try to
certify the system with future standard releases of Ubuntu.
----------
...then goes on to talk about Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS 64-bit.  What may have
transpired since then I can't find easily.

Good luck, but I'd imagine that some Linux <cough>Debian<cough> will run
fine on it.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186817

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>  is certified -ab257-nr Laptop
>> 
>> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the
>> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>> 
>> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
>> processor.product.286008#>
>> 
>> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the
>> Windows 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as
>> Mint or Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I
>> found one page at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
>
> I don't know about that -ab257-nr, but the HP Pavilion 15 is certified
> for Ubuntu pre-installed systems, but this page:
> <http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201307-13902/>
> says:

Heh, that's the page I was trying to load. It does come up now, though. It 
talks of AMD processors, but this computer comes with an Intel i5.
<snip>

> Good luck, but I'd imagine that some Linux <cough>Debian<cough> will run
> fine on it.

Yup. Some Debian-based OS.   :-)   Thanks.

-- 
   -bts

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#186816

On 01/28/2016 04:49 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop
>
> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the
> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>
> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
> processor.product.286008#>
>
> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the Windows
> 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as Mint or
> Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I found one page
> at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
>

I haven't wiped a w10 machine but have done a few w8s.  Is your concern 
UEHI?
http://askubuntu.com/questions/629470/gpt-vs-mbr-why-not-mbr
may give you an idea of going with GPT - piece of cake really - I've 
only worked with ub 14.04,  though with a 4.0.6 kernel.

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#186818

jeff g. wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop
>>
>> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the
>> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>>
>> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
>> processor.product.286008#>
>>
>> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the
>> Windows 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as
>> Mint or Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I
>> found one page at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
>
> I haven't wiped a w10 machine but have done a few w8s.  Is your concern
> UEHI?

That was one question. The pages I've found so far don't say what it is 
equipped with.

> http://askubuntu.com/questions/629470/gpt-vs-mbr-why-not-mbr may give
> you an idea of going with GPT - piece of cake really - I've only worked
> with ub 14.04,  though with a 4.0.6 kernel.

I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store tomorrow 
so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the computer. I'll 
take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching, see what happens. 
Thanks for your reply.

-- 
   -bts

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#186823

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> jeff g. wrote:
> 
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop
>>>
>>> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the
>>> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>>>
>>> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
>>> processor.product.286008#>
>>>
>>> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the
>>> Windows 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as
>>> Mint or Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I
>>> found one page at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
>> I haven't wiped a w10 machine but have done a few w8s.  Is your concern
>> UEHI?
> 
> That was one question. The pages I've found so far don't say what it is 
> equipped with.
> 
>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/629470/gpt-vs-mbr-why-not-mbr may give
>> you an idea of going with GPT - piece of cake really - I've only worked
>> with ub 14.04,  though with a 4.0.6 kernel.
> 
> I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store tomorrow 
> so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the computer. I'll 
> take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching, see what happens. 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 

You might have to go through this.

"HP Notebook PCs - Cannot Start Notebook Computer From a Bootable CD or DVD"

http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03736054

On modern computers, even if the disk is below 1TB, they still use
GPT for the Windows pre-installed OS. And to make that work,
UEFI is the perfect combination.

However, it's the Secure Boot that counts. And that's what
the link above covers, for a Pavilion 15. It's not the exact
same model, but it may share some of the characteristics.

    Paul

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#186828

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:22:47 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> Gave us:

>Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> jeff g. wrote:
>> 
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> HP Pavilion 15-ab257-nr Laptop
>>>>
>>>> A local store has this HP laptop for sale at a price of $549US at the
>>>> moment. 15.6-inch screen, 12GB RAM, 1TB hard drive.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.bjs.com/hp-pavilion-15-ab257-nr-laptop-intel-core-i5-5200u-
>>>> processor.product.286008#>
>>>>
>>>> Question:  does anyone know if it will be possible to expunge the
>>>> Windows 10 and replace it with an Ubuntu - preferably an LTS such as
>>>> Mint or Xubuntu? Any other comments or experience with the model? I
>>>> found one page at ubuntu.com in a search but the page refuses to load.
>>> I haven't wiped a w10 machine but have done a few w8s.  Is your concern
>>> UEHI?
>> 
>> That was one question. The pages I've found so far don't say what it is 
>> equipped with.
>> 
>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/629470/gpt-vs-mbr-why-not-mbr may give
>>> you an idea of going with GPT - piece of cake really - I've only worked
>>> with ub 14.04,  though with a 4.0.6 kernel.
>> 
>> I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store tomorrow 
>> so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the computer. I'll 
>> take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching, see what happens. 
>> Thanks for your reply.
>> 
>
>You might have to go through this.
>
>"HP Notebook PCs - Cannot Start Notebook Computer From a Bootable CD or DVD"
>
>http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03736054
>
>On modern computers, even if the disk is below 1TB, they still use
>GPT for the Windows pre-installed OS. And to make that work,
>UEFI is the perfect combination.
>
>However, it's the Secure Boot that counts. And that's what
>the link above covers, for a Pavilion 15. It's not the exact
>same model, but it may share some of the characteristics.
>
>    Paul


  It's a shit drive anyway.  Just slap in a Seagate hybrid.

  A worthy upgrade to such a nice laptop.

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#186830

Paul wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store
>> tomorrow so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the
>> computer. I'll take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching,
>> see what happens. Thanks for your reply.
>
> You might have to go through this.
> 
> "HP Notebook PCs - Cannot Start Notebook Computer From a Bootable CD or
> DVD"
> 
> http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03736054
> 
> On modern computers, even if the disk is below 1TB, they still use GPT
> for the Windows pre-installed OS. And to make that work,
> UEFI is the perfect combination.
> 
> However, it's the Secure Boot that counts. And that's what the link
> above covers, for a Pavilion 15. It's not the exact same model, but it
> may share some of the characteristics.

Thanks for that info, Paul. I may not get to that store today .. it 
started snowing fairly heavy just before dawn, and travel may become a 
problem.  :-(

I see the place also has a Lenovo laptop with a 17-inch screen and 
otherwise similar specs to the HP Pavilion, for just a few dollars more.

-- 
   -bts

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#186834

Op 29-01-16 om 14:45 schreef Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
> Paul wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store
>>> tomorrow so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the
>>> computer. I'll take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching,
>>> see what happens. Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> You might have to go through this.
>>
>> "HP Notebook PCs - Cannot Start Notebook Computer From a Bootable CD or
>> DVD"
>>
>> http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03736054
>>
>> On modern computers, even if the disk is below 1TB, they still use GPT
>> for the Windows pre-installed OS. And to make that work,
>> UEFI is the perfect combination.
>>
>> However, it's the Secure Boot that counts. And that's what the link
>> above covers, for a Pavilion 15. It's not the exact same model, but it
>> may share some of the characteristics.
>
> Thanks for that info, Paul. I may not get to that store today .. it
> started snowing fairly heavy just before dawn, and travel may become a
> problem.  :-(
>
> I see the place also has a Lenovo laptop with a 17-inch screen and
> otherwise similar specs to the HP Pavilion, for just a few dollars more.
>
The Lenovo's are generally very Linux compliant, especially the models 
with the little red clit, AKA as TrackPoint.

There have been some stupidities by Lenovo re. what could be considered 
spyware but that's as usual limited to Windows.
Otherwise they are solid and well build, like contrary to some HP's they 
don't suffer overheating.

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#186835

Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
> Op 29-01-16 om 14:45 schreef Beauregard T. Shagnasty:
>> Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> I'll study that in a bit. The wife wants to go over to this store
>>>> tomorrow so I think I will tag along and have a closer look at the
>>>> computer. I'll take along a LiveCD and if no employees are watching,
>>>> see what happens. Thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>> You might have to go through this.
>>>
>>> "HP Notebook PCs - Cannot Start Notebook Computer From a Bootable CD or
>>> DVD"
>>>
>>> http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03736054
>>>
>>> On modern computers, even if the disk is below 1TB, they still use GPT
>>> for the Windows pre-installed OS. And to make that work,
>>> UEFI is the perfect combination.
>>>
>>> However, it's the Secure Boot that counts. And that's what the link
>>> above covers, for a Pavilion 15. It's not the exact same model, but it
>>> may share some of the characteristics.
>>
>> Thanks for that info, Paul. I may not get to that store today .. it
>> started snowing fairly heavy just before dawn, and travel may become a
>> problem.  :-(
>>
>> I see the place also has a Lenovo laptop with a 17-inch screen and
>> otherwise similar specs to the HP Pavilion, for just a few dollars more.
>>
> The Lenovo's are generally very Linux compliant, especially the models
> with the little red clit, AKA as TrackPoint.
>
> There have been some stupidities by Lenovo re. what could be considered
> spyware but that's as usual limited to Windows.
> Otherwise they are solid and well build, like contrary to some HP's they
> don't suffer overheating.
>
>

Love my new Thinkpad L530 with an i5-3230M 8GB, runs great. But I 
purposely got one with Win7 to avoid the "secure" boot nonsense. Only 
complaint is with the new Lenovo keyboards they removed the CapsLock, 
ScrollLock, and NumLock lights! Not a problem in GUI to install the 
indicator, but when working in sessions without GUI accidentally hitting 
the CapsLock while entering a password can be down right confusing!!!! 
Really stupid Lenovo! How much did you save for a lousy LED?

-- 
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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#186838

On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
> Love my new Thinkpad L530 with an i5-3230M 8GB, runs great. But I 
> purposely got one with Win7 to avoid the "secure" boot nonsense. Only 
> complaint is with the new Lenovo keyboards they removed the CapsLock, 
> ScrollLock, and NumLock lights! Not a problem in GUI to install the 
> indicator, but when working in sessions without GUI accidentally hitting 
> the CapsLock while entering a password can be down right confusing!!!! 
> Really stupid Lenovo! How much did you save for a lousy LED?

Yes, my T450 is the same. What brain-dead moron decided it was a good
idea to remove the light indicator from caps-lock... Well, I don't often
hit it by mistake and it is obvious when I do because everything is
upper case all of the sudden. But I'm a little mad at Lenovo for such
things. 

One other note on Lenovo. When you are buying one make sure you get it
with an IPS panel. Otherwise their screens tend to suck. Seriously
considering replacing the screen. Don't know why they don't just use IPS
on all their machines. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#186840

Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Love my new Thinkpad L530 with an i5-3230M 8GB, runs great. But I
>> purposely got one with Win7 to avoid the "secure" boot nonsense. Only
>> complaint is with the new Lenovo keyboards they removed the CapsLock,
>> ScrollLock, and NumLock lights! Not a problem in GUI to install the
>> indicator, but when working in sessions without GUI accidentally hitting
>> the CapsLock while entering a password can be down right confusing!!!!
>> Really stupid Lenovo! How much did you save for a lousy LED?
>
> Yes, my T450 is the same. What brain-dead moron decided it was a good
> idea to remove the light indicator from caps-lock... Well, I don't often
> hit it by mistake and it is obvious when I do because everything is
> upper case all of the sudden. But I'm a little mad at Lenovo for such
> things.

The problem is if you are typing a password there is no feedback so it 
has to fail first and then you have to typo some random characters to 
verify if capslock is on or off. Dumb, dumb, dumb. My problem is they 
did not have "keyboarding" when I went to school, and typing was 
reserved for the business/technical, non-college-bound, track for 
girls...never learned to touch type. hen-pecked for so long I cannot 
seem to learn now. :-(

>
> One other note on Lenovo. When you are buying one make sure you get it
> with an IPS panel. Otherwise their screens tend to suck. Seriously
> considering replacing the screen. Don't know why they don't just use IPS
> on all their machines.
>

On laptops? I just wanted the bigger 15.6 widescreen and it looks okay 
to me. Like my Dell is has a matte screen which I prefer to those shiny 
ones on HP/Compaq laptops. The glare is a killer. Must be just wonderful 
with the "touchscreen" versions...squeek-squiggle-squeek...nothing like 
looking at a screen that looks like it was attacked by a 
glazed-doughnut-monster!


-- 
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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#186842

On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marek Novotny wrote:
>> On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Love my new Thinkpad L530 with an i5-3230M 8GB, runs great. But I
>>> purposely got one with Win7 to avoid the "secure" boot nonsense. Only
>>> complaint is with the new Lenovo keyboards they removed the CapsLock,
>>> ScrollLock, and NumLock lights! Not a problem in GUI to install the
>>> indicator, but when working in sessions without GUI accidentally hitting
>>> the CapsLock while entering a password can be down right confusing!!!!
>>> Really stupid Lenovo! How much did you save for a lousy LED?
>>
>> Yes, my T450 is the same. What brain-dead moron decided it was a good
>> idea to remove the light indicator from caps-lock... Well, I don't often
>> hit it by mistake and it is obvious when I do because everything is
>> upper case all of the sudden. But I'm a little mad at Lenovo for such
>> things.
>
> The problem is if you are typing a password there is no feedback so it 
> has to fail first and then you have to typo some random characters to 
> verify if capslock is on or off. Dumb, dumb, dumb. My problem is they 
> did not have "keyboarding" when I went to school, and typing was 
> reserved for the business/technical, non-college-bound, track for 
> girls...never learned to touch type. hen-pecked for so long I cannot 
> seem to learn now. :-(

I'm the same way. I actually did learn to type when I was 9 years old
but it was on a Royal and when I was exposed to computers I just started
to peck on the keys because I was trying to learn a little basic and
basic was too weird to type it. So I got into the habit of pecking. And
now I am the fastest pecking typist you've ever seen. Often I can peck
without looking if I am really familiar with the keyboard. It's kind of
strange, but I'm not terrible slow at the keyboard despite my pecking. 

My big problem is I think faster than I type and am prone to skip a word
I think when typing. It's like I am thinking out loud what I want to
type and if I can't keep up with myself I tend to skip words. I also say
things like does when I mean doesn't or can when I mean can't. And it
drives me crazy. If I would just learn to type then I could watch the
text 100% of the time instead of 60% or the time and it would cut down
on errors and typos, which as I am absolutely you've come to know all
too well come from me. 

You seem to do pretty well despite being a pecking typist. You'd think
I'd have learned by now. I've been on keyboard since before I was ten
and I am almost fifty now. 

On the plus side I know plenty of people with injuries because they type
and get into that whole typing position. Since I have no position to get
into I have no injury either. And I like that, so I tend to stick to
what I do because it seems to work well enough. 

>> One other note on Lenovo. When you are buying one make sure you get it
>> with an IPS panel. Otherwise their screens tend to suck. Seriously
>> considering replacing the screen. Don't know why they don't just use IPS
>> on all their machines.
>>
>
> On laptops? I just wanted the bigger 15.6 widescreen and it looks okay 
> to me. Like my Dell is has a matte screen which I prefer to those shiny 
> ones on HP/Compaq laptops. The glare is a killer. Must be just wonderful 
> with the "touchscreen" versions...squeek-squiggle-squeek...nothing like 
> looking at a screen that looks like it was attacked by a 
> glazed-doughnut-monster!

I too prefer matte, and I tend to buy the 15.6" screens but I'm ready to
go bigger. Maybe I can make you a deal on my M4800 if I decide to bight
the bullet and get the M6800. I guess I better decide soon. Looks like
the 6800 I'm lusting after is going bye-bye... They are replacing them
with a new 7000 series which sounds good on paper but I like the classic
look of the M6800 with the red covert metal backing. I should have gone
that route in the first place but was afraid it was too darn big. Turns
out my M4800 and the M6800 are almost the same physical foot print. 

Oh well. I can never seem to be happy with a laptop no matter what I do. 

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Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#186846

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:16:31 -0800
Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:

> If I would just learn to type then I could watch the
> text 100% of the time instead of 60% or the time and it would cut down
> on errors and typos,
If you did so then you wouldn't even need to watch the text you type
for your fingers would know of errors even if your brain was lacking.

My own (rather worse) problem is thick and wide fingers that sometimes
hit three keys at once.  Those fingers still think that they did the
right thing but come up with things (I can't call them words) such as,
"tyhnnjse," when typing, "the."

Cybe R. Wizard 
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#186853

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:34:16 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:

>On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:16:31 -0800
>Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>
>> If I would just learn to type then I could watch the
>> text 100% of the time instead of 60% or the time and it would cut down
>> on errors and typos,
>If you did so then you wouldn't even need to watch the text you type
>for your fingers would know of errors even if your brain was lacking.
>
>My own (rather worse) problem is thick and wide fingers that sometimes
>hit three keys at once.  Those fingers still think that they did the
>right thing but come up with things (I can't call them words) such as,
>"tyhnnjse," when typing, "the."
>
>Cybe R. Wizard 

  Sucks for piano too, eh.  Not the finger size but the hand size.

  (it's a small penis joke)  :-)

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#186858

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:00:36 -0500, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:34:16 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:
> 
>>On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:16:31 -0800 Marek Novotny
>><marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I would just learn to type then I could watch the text 100% of the
>>> time instead of 60% or the time and it would cut down on errors and
>>> typos,
>>If you did so then you wouldn't even need to watch the text you type for
>>your fingers would know of errors even if your brain was lacking.
>>
>>My own (rather worse) problem is thick and wide fingers that sometimes
>>hit three keys at once.  Those fingers still think that they did the
>>right thing but come up with things (I can't call them words) such as,
>>"tyhnnjse," when typing, "the."
>>
>>Cybe R. Wizard
> 
>   Sucks for piano too, eh.  Not the finger size but the hand size.
> 
>   (it's a small penis joke)  :-)

Weak, like all your driveling posts.

Bugger off, Win-droid troll.



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#186865

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 02:51:27 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> Weak, like all your driveling posts.

  I do not need nor do I give a fat flying fuck about your approval or 
your pathetic opinion.
> 
> Bugger off, Win-droid troll.

  Fuck you, retarded jackass.

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#186869

On 2016-01-30, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 02:51:27 +0000, Dan C wrote:
>
>> Weak, like all your driveling posts.
>
>   I do not need nor do I give a fat flying fuck about your approval or 
> your pathetic opinion.
>> 
>> Bugger off, Win-droid troll.
>
>   Fuck you, retarded jackass.
>

User-Agent: Pan/0.140 (Chocolate Salty Balls; Unknown)
Windows, dumbass.

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#186848

Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> On laptops? I just wanted the bigger 15.6 widescreen and it looks okay
>> to me. Like my Dell is has a matte screen which I prefer to those shiny
>> ones on HP/Compaq laptops. The glare is a killer. Must be just wonderful
>> with the "touchscreen" versions...squeek-squiggle-squeek...nothing like
>> looking at a screen that looks like it was attacked by a
>> glazed-doughnut-monster!
>
> I too prefer matte, and I tend to buy the 15.6" screens but I'm ready to
> go bigger. Maybe I can make you a deal on my M4800 if I decide to bight
> the bullet and get the M6800. I guess I better decide soon. Looks like
> the 6800 I'm lusting after is going bye-bye... They are replacing them
> with a new 7000 series which sounds good on paper but I like the classic
> look of the M6800 with the red covert metal backing. I should have gone
> that route in the first place but was afraid it was too darn big. Turns
> out my M4800 and the M6800 are almost the same physical foot print.
>
> Oh well. I can never seem to be happy with a laptop no matter what I do.
>

Laptops are just a temporary tool when I am not at home. My rules are 
should be useful but not expensive because they get dropped, hard to 
fix, and you don't upgrade them your replace them. It is my desktop that 
I put my money into.


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Jonathan
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#186849

On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marek Novotny wrote:
>> On 2016-01-29, Jonathan N. Little <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>> On laptops? I just wanted the bigger 15.6 widescreen and it looks okay
>>> to me. Like my Dell is has a matte screen which I prefer to those shiny
>>> ones on HP/Compaq laptops. The glare is a killer. Must be just wonderful
>>> with the "touchscreen" versions...squeek-squiggle-squeek...nothing like
>>> looking at a screen that looks like it was attacked by a
>>> glazed-doughnut-monster!
>>
>> I too prefer matte, and I tend to buy the 15.6" screens but I'm ready to
>> go bigger. Maybe I can make you a deal on my M4800 if I decide to bight
>> the bullet and get the M6800. I guess I better decide soon. Looks like
>> the 6800 I'm lusting after is going bye-bye... They are replacing them
>> with a new 7000 series which sounds good on paper but I like the classic
>> look of the M6800 with the red covert metal backing. I should have gone
>> that route in the first place but was afraid it was too darn big. Turns
>> out my M4800 and the M6800 are almost the same physical foot print.
>>
>> Oh well. I can never seem to be happy with a laptop no matter what I do.
>>
>
> Laptops are just a temporary tool when I am not at home. My rules are 
> should be useful but not expensive because they get dropped, hard to 
> fix, and you don't upgrade them your replace them. It is my desktop that 
> I put my money into.

That's a good policy. Some of these 17" laptops are really just desktop
replacements as they are so powerful. I like that they don't take up a
whole lot of space and no wires all over. But for that to work you'll
have to get pretty darn comfortable with the display. 

I notice that AlienWare now has an 18" !!

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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