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  Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2016-01-18 08:11 -0800
    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-18 10:34 -0600
      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-18 20:21 -0800
        Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-19 00:42 -0600
          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-18 23:04 -0800
            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-19 01:13 -0600
              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-19 19:49 -0800
    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-18 17:42 +0100
      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2016-01-18 16:45 -0800
        Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 20:03 -0500
          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-18 22:35 -0800
            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-18 22:36 -0800
          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" mechanic <mechanic@example.net> - 2016-01-19 12:08 +0000
            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-19 08:46 -0600
              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-19 20:05 -0800
                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-20 07:40 -0600
                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-20 08:43 -0800
                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-20 11:57 -0500
    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "E. Robinson" <E.Robinson@merck.com> - 2016-01-20 10:57 +0000
      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:47 -0500
        Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "E. Robinson" <E.Robinson@merck.com> - 2016-01-20 19:49 +0000
          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-20 14:31 -0600
            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "E. Robinson" <E.Robinson@merck.com> - 2016-01-21 02:58 +0000
          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 16:07 -0500
            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "E. Robinson" <E.Robinson@merck.com> - 2016-01-21 03:00 +0000
              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2016-01-21 16:28 +0100
            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "E. Robinson" <E.Robinson@merck.com> - 2016-01-21 03:01 +0000
              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 23:45 -0500
                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-20 21:10 -0800
                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 00:52 -0500
                    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-20 23:07 -0800
                      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 09:05 -0500
                      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-21 06:16 -0800
                    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-21 06:08 -0800
                      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-21 09:15 -0600
                        Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 10:48 -0500
                          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-21 08:01 -0800
                            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 12:56 -0500
                              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-21 12:35 -0600
                            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-21 12:27 -0600
                              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-21 12:38 -0600
                                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-22 00:16 -0800
                                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-22 14:40 -0600
                              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-21 23:03 -0500
                                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-01-22 00:38 -0800
                                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-22 09:18 -0500
                                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-22 09:19 -0500
                                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-22 09:21 -0500
                                    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-22 19:57 +0100
                              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-22 00:11 -0800
                                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-25 10:52 -0600
                                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-25 17:05 -0600
                                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-27 21:42 -0800
                                    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-28 08:24 -0600
                                      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2016-01-28 10:24 -0500
                                        Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-28 11:07 -0600
                                      Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-28 20:13 -0800
                                        Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-28 23:17 -0600
                                          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:46 -0500
                                            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-29 10:24 -0600
                          Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-21 08:28 -0800
                            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-21 18:36 +0100
                              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-21 10:48 -0800
                            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2016-01-21 12:32 -0600
                            Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-22 00:33 -0800
                              Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-01-22 02:16 -0800
                                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" stepore <linshine@here.now> - 2016-01-22 23:25 -0800
                Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "E. Robinson" <E.Robinson@merck.com> - 2016-01-21 07:21 +0000
                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2016-01-21 08:32 +0100
                    Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" Harold Stevens <wookie@cindy.localdomain> - 2016-01-21 06:02 -0600
                  Re: Ubu makes 'adware' search thing "opt in" "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2016-01-21 09:08 -0500

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#186455

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:27:48 -0600
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:01:26 -0800
> stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:
> 
> > On 01/21/2016 07:48 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:  
> > > Why must all distros conform to your specifications? I thought
> > > Linux was all about choice? What is wrong with a distro
> > > experimenting with a different approach?
> > >    
> > 
> > Big +1 to that.
> > Not even sure why Cybe is even in this NG anymore?
> > Don't like Ubuntu, fine; move on!  
> 
> After having to explain this to trolls so often I'm a little surprised
> to be doing it again...

Not to intimate in any way that you're a troll!  No, I never meant to
insinuate that and just now saw how my words might be easily taken the
wrong way.

Please don't take offense, and if you have, I'm sorry.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186470

On 01/21/2016 10:38 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> Not to intimate in any way that you're a troll!  No, I never meant to
> insinuate that and just now saw how my words might be easily taken the
> wrong way.
>
> Please don't take offense, and if you have, I'm sorry.

I haven't taken any offense, no need to apologize.
We're good.

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#186506

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:16:01 -0800
stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:

> On 01/21/2016 10:38 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > Not to intimate in any way that you're a troll!  No, I never meant
> > to insinuate that and just now saw how my words might be easily
> > taken the wrong way.
> >
> > Please don't take offense, and if you have, I'm sorry.  
> 
> I haven't taken any offense, no need to apologize.
> We're good.

Thanks for that.  I'm usually much more precise in my wording and was
surprisingly quite embarrassed to have suggested that you might be a
troll.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186468

On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:27:48 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:

>After having to explain this to trolls so often I'm a little surprised
>to be doing it again, but, OK:
>I see only, "Ubuntu," in the name of the newsgroup, not, "advocacy,"
>nor, "niceness," nor, "lovers."  It only says, "ubuntu."  There's the
>reason in simple terms.  I'm here for Ubuntu.  To speak against it (or
>at least its creator).  Nowhere is there any indication that I
>shouldn't do so.

  Some of these dopes are like Trump supporters.  If one speaks against
him, suddenly they are branded "hater" and "Libtard", among other
things.  Here, it's "troll" and "why is he even here?".

  The world went and got past "political correctness" and fell straight
into twilight zone level "political stupidity.

  I have been called a troll for years because I cuss and call someone
stupid occasionally.


  Then there are the dopes with the retarded list of reasons why one has
lost an argument.  "Oh you are making grammar and spelling jabs now,
because you have no argument"  when the pukes are so bad at grammar
their stupid shines through like a beacon.  The list goes on.  Some
monikers are not merely ad hominem, they are actually accurate
descriptions.

  I am sorry, fuckheads, that I am not eloquent in my speech or do not
always post with a linux based news client.

  Seems some of the things the letter spaced one said is true.

  No, there is NO RULE that one has to participate in a group in a
positive role.

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#186472

On 1/21/2016 8:03 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:27:48 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:
>
>> After having to explain this to trolls so often I'm a little surprised
>> to be doing it again, but, OK:
>> I see only, "Ubuntu," in the name of the newsgroup, not, "advocacy,"
>> nor, "niceness," nor, "lovers."  It only says, "ubuntu."  There's the
>> reason in simple terms.  I'm here for Ubuntu.  To speak against it (or
>> at least its creator).  Nowhere is there any indication that I
>> shouldn't do so.
>
>    Some of these dopes are like Trump supporters.  If one speaks against
> him, suddenly they are branded "hater" and "Libtard", among other
> things.  Here, it's "troll" and "why is he even here?".
>
>    The world went and got past "political correctness" and fell straight
> into twilight zone level "political stupidity.
>
>    I have been called a troll for years because I cuss and call someone
> stupid occasionally.

OCCASIONALLY????  That's gotta be the numero uno understatement of the
century.
>
>
>    Then there are the dopes with the retarded list of reasons why one has
> lost an argument.  "Oh you are making grammar and spelling jabs now,
> because you have no argument"  when the pukes are so bad at grammar
> their stupid shines through like a beacon.  The list goes on.  Some
> monikers are not merely ad hominem, they are actually accurate
> descriptions.
>
>    I am sorry, fuckheads, that I am not eloquent in my speech or do not
> always post with a linux based news client.

"Sorry" is a recognition that you did something that harmed someone else
and carries an unstated promise that you won't do it again.

"Sorry, fuckheads" is the opposite.  It shows zero remorse and promises
to do it again.
>
>    Seems some of the things the letter spaced one said is true.
>
>    No, there is NO RULE that one has to participate in a group in a
> positive role.
>
No, it's just simple common courtesy when communicating with your fellow 
man.

It's the ability to communicate on the merits of the TOPIC at hand
without, denigrating the PERSON with whom you disagree.

Calling people names weakens your position.  Inciting a UTI
in every thread is despicable.

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#186476

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:38:49 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>OCCASIONALLY????  That's gotta be the numero uno understatement of the
>century.
>>
  Fuck Off And Die, troll jackass.

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#186477

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:38:49 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>"Sorry" is a recognition that you did something that harmed someone else
>and carries an unstated promise that you won't do it again.

  No, idiot..  It does no such thing, and you have zero competency as a
human behavior specialist, so fuck off and die, retarded troll fuck.

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#186478

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:38:49 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:

>>
>No, it's just simple common courtesy when communicating with your fellow 
>man.

  Tell that to Donald J. Trump and his 100% retarded twit followers.

  And you are wrong again, as you have ZERO clue as to what is or is not
common courtesy or you would not have been trolling this group for the
last two years, punk.

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#186500

Op 22-01-16 om 15:21 schreef DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:38:49 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> Gave us:
>
>>>
>> No, it's just simple common courtesy when communicating with your fellow
>> man.
>
>    Tell that to Donald J. Trump and his 100% retarded twit followers.
>
>    And you are wrong again, as you have ZERO clue as to what is or is not
> common courtesy or you would not have been trolling this group for the
> last two years, punk.
>
Yo man, like any sane person I'm not subscribed to mickey's rants so 
please don't feed him by replying.

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#186469

I won't have anything nearly as eloquent to say (in support of Ubuntu) 
as Marek says a few posts down. But mainly I'm just tired of arguing 
with you. Tired of seeing how negative you've become. I don't even 
really care if you diss on Ubuntu like you do, you just seem bitter. I 
hate seeing you come to this after all these years. The majority of your 
posts are just negative. It can't be healthy for you.

I get what you're saying. I really do. Ubuntu/Mark they've pissed you 
off and gone completely against your personal politics and 
sensibilities. I dig it, I do. And can relate, more than you'd believe. 
not on this particular point, but other issues of which I feel much more 
passionately. But I digress, and save for another discussion. Maybe over 
a beer some day.

On 01/21/2016 10:27 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> After having to explain this to trolls so often I'm a little surprised
> to be doing it again, but, OK:
> I see only, "Ubuntu," in the name of the newsgroup, not, "advocacy,"
> nor, "niceness," nor, "lovers."  It only says, "ubuntu."  There's the
> reason in simple terms.  I'm here for Ubuntu.  To speak against it (or
> at least its creator).  Nowhere is there any indication that I
> shouldn't do so.

I wouldn't dare try to censor you. Just wondering if you're not 
ultimately doing yourself more harm (mind/spirit) and actually 
undermining your goal of honouring and advocating for a more true or 
purist vision of a better open source model operating system.

> I am (still) here because I wish to discuss Ubuntu and the way it is
> antithetical to the ideas of open software and the free part of
> software freedom.

You're wrong about this. Or at the very least incredibly hyperbolic. 
"Antithetical" to the ideas of open software? Really? Come on, man. 
That's silly. If you want to pick on someone who has built their career 
on open source and have turned their back on the community for the most 
part. Go after RedHat or that other fruity company which shall remain 
nameless (with a fruit for a logo) that only steals from the open source 
community and doesn't give back.

At least Ubuntu doesn't have a fucking enterprise version which you can 
only get with paid support. Or closed off their once great 'desktop' 
version and instead created a 'you're all just beta testers for our 
enterprise version' community version. Ubuntu has committed to always be 
free and open. Only one OS, not a free version and a paid-for Ubuntu 
Enterprise version.

> The OS they made was wonderful up until I left it and I'm sure it is
> still just as good if not better (after all, its parent, Debian, is
> lots better each year).

They are both, still incredible, yes.

> Let me be even more clear:
> I like Ubuntu and respect the work involved.

Great.

> I don't like $huttleworth nor his take on open source nor his being a
> gender bigot (at least) and taking most of a year to 'get it' and
> grudgingly apologize, nor his take on spyware, nor his stance on using
> other programmer's work (Banshee) to monetize his own company, nor his,
> "erm, we have root," statement, nor his lack of any real giving back to
> the Linux community, nor his characterization of any who disagree with
> him as an, "open source, "tea party."

You know I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't agree nor 
condone any of the idiot things Mark has said or done. He's been a real 
douche at times, yes. But he's not Ubuntu to me. Ubuntu is just the OS. 
I know, but I don't care that it's a Canonical trademark. I don't care 
that its owner is a dick at times. Ubuntu, the OS, isn't the politics 
and bullshit that either Canonical or Mark advocate. I use Ubuntu 
because an open source Operating system (yes, open source). It's free 
for anyone to use. It's fucking Linux, man. That's all I really care 
about here. I just want to get *Linux* into the hands, minds and boxes 
of all the peoples of the world(s). If they could, I'd love that OS to 
be Debian, or Slack, or Arch. I don't care. All I care is that Linux 
gets all those other fucking operating systems off of computers. Be they 
Windows or fruity OSs. I just think Ubuntu (and now Ubuntu's offspring 
Mint, et al) have a better shot than all other distros.

And technically speaking, it's a damn solid OS. Particularly the LTS 
releases. Both, on desktop and server. Solid!

> I try to avoid knowingly supporting bigots and misogynists

As you should. And I thank you for it.

> and Mark
> shows many signs of being both.

If you believe so, then by all means please continue.
Just not sure the OS needs to be punished for any jerk things he's done.

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#186615

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:11:54 -0800
stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:

> I won't have anything nearly as eloquent to say (in support of
> Ubuntu) as Marek says a few posts down. But mainly I'm just tired of
> arguing with you. Tired of seeing how negative you've become. I don't
> even really care if you diss on Ubuntu like you do, you just seem
> bitter. I hate seeing you come to this after all these years. The
> majority of your posts are just negative. It can't be healthy for you.
> 
You know, you caused me to question my reasons for being here and my
participation while I am.  I have since reviewed my own posts for the
past year and can't agree with your assessments either of my negativity
or my bitterness (really?  bitter?  nah. see my smiley face:   <;-}  ).

If /you/ were to review those posts I think you might change your
mind.  

Of course I do engage with the trolls a bit more than I probably should
but even then my overall spirit is more tongue-in-cheek poking  than
overtly negative.  I'm a lot more a joker than I am upset or angry.
It's really pretty hard to get me angry and usually has to do with
someone disparaging either That Danged Wife or Those Danged Daughters.

I am a very protective man.

On the up side I also try to help out when/where I can but I'm no
guru although I have accumulated some slight Linux knowledge over the
years. Nor do I push my anti-Ubuntu agenda very much at all. If a
subject comes up, yes, I'll address it and will put out facts about my
experiences with both Ubuntu and Mr. Shuttleworth. Even then, not all
are negative.  I had a very nice run with Ubuntu before it became clear
that it was off the rails of its original 'feeling of
Ubuntu' (togetherness, inclusion, ready for all no matter the economic
level) direction.

> I get what you're saying. I really do. Ubuntu/Mark they've pissed you
> off and gone completely against your personal politics and
> sensibilities.

And against their /OWN STATED POLICIES/ from the early days.  Those
changes are what I don't care for.  It just seems duplicitous and
under-handed to me.  Were they to go back to original thinking I would
likely go back to Ubuntu.

Wayback machine their manifesto from early on and compare it with
today's.  Do the same with the Code Of Conduct.

(they actually made some decent changes to that COC and some of them are
directly due to my own pushing on the Ubu-users list and the Sounder
list)

[...]
> 
> I wouldn't dare try to censor you. Just wondering if you're not
> ultimately doing yourself more harm (mind/spirit) and actually
> undermining your goal of honouring and advocating for a more true or
> purist vision of a better open source model operating system.

Nah, I'm pretty well grounded in reality and have a wonderfully happy
life doing my own retired thing(s).  Really, I'm cool.

...but thanks so much for your concern!  I do appreciate it.
> 
> > I am (still) here because I wish to discuss Ubuntu and the way it is
> > antithetical to the ideas of open software and the free part of
> > software freedom.  
> 
> You're wrong about this. Or at the very least incredibly hyperbolic.
> "Antithetical" to the ideas of open software? Really? Come on, man.
> That's silly. If you want to pick on someone who has built their
> career on open source and have turned their back on the community for
> the most part. Go after RedHat or that other fruity company which
> shall remain nameless (with a fruit for a logo) that only steals from
> the open source community and doesn't give back.
> 
> At least Ubuntu doesn't have a fucking enterprise version which you
> can only get with paid support. Or closed off their once great
> 'desktop' version and instead created a 'you're all just beta testers
> for our enterprise version' community version. Ubuntu has committed
> to always be free and open. Only one OS, not a free version and a
> paid-for Ubuntu Enterprise version.

??? Red Hat gives back plenty and always have, particularly to the
kernel.  Even as a big-time server OS supplier and support seller they
still have a free of cost OS for the public.  Yes, it's a testbed.  So
is Ubuntu.  

I've no experience either with that fruit company nor its BSD
beginnings.

Ubu, OTOH, grudgingly gives back as little as possible.  That has long
been known and been a major point of contention within the open source
community.

...more below >>>
> 
> > The OS they made was wonderful up until I left it and I'm sure it is
> > still just as good if not better (after all, its parent, Debian, is
> > lots better each year).  
> 
> They are both, still incredible, yes.
> 
> > Let me be even more clear:
> > I like Ubuntu and respect the work involved.  
> 
> Great.
> 
> > I don't like $huttleworth nor his take on open source nor his being
> > a gender bigot (at least) and taking most of a year to 'get it' and
> > grudgingly apologize, nor his take on spyware, nor his stance on
> > using other programmer's work (Banshee) to monetize his own
> > company, nor his, "erm, we have root," statement, nor his lack of
> > any real giving back to the Linux community, nor his
> > characterization of any who disagree with him as an, "open source,
> > "tea party."  
> 
> You know I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't agree
> nor condone any of the idiot things Mark has said or done. He's been
> a real douche at times, yes. But he's not Ubuntu to me. Ubuntu is
> just the OS. I know, but I don't care that it's a Canonical
> trademark. I don't care that its owner is a dick at times. Ubuntu,
> the OS, isn't the politics and bullshit that either Canonical or Mark
> advocate. 

Don't fool yourself; of course it is.  It is fully under the control or
either Mark or Mark's wholly-owned company.  How, then, can it be other
than what he is?  He makes the rules; he gives the orders.

> I use Ubuntu because an open source Operating system (yes,
> open source). It's free for anyone to use. It's fucking Linux, man.
> That's all I really care about here. I just want to get *Linux* into
> the hands, minds and boxes of all the peoples of the world(s). If
> they could, I'd love that OS to be Debian, or Slack, or Arch. I don't
> care. All I care is that Linux gets all those other fucking operating
> systems off of computers. Be they Windows or fruity OSs. I just think
> Ubuntu (and now Ubuntu's offspring Mint, et al) have a better shot
> than all other distros.

I agree with your hopes, I agree with your assessment of Ubu and Mint.
I just can't support either of them because of my philosophical
differences with their owners.  Therefore, Debian for me.
> 
> And technically speaking, it's a damn solid OS. Particularly the LTS
> releases. Both, on desktop and server. Solid!

Oh, I know.  The OS' stability and power was never at question.
> 
> > I try to avoid knowingly supporting bigots and misogynists  
> 
> As you should. And I thank you for it.
> 
> > and Mark
> > shows many signs of being both.  
> 
> If you believe so, then by all means please continue.
> Just not sure the OS needs to be punished for any jerk things he's
> done.
> 
C'mon, how can I, a lowly lowly user, have much impact?  So far I know
of absolutely no one who has abandoned either Ubu or Mint because of
my diatribes.

I do know of perhaps a  couple of hundred who abandoned it when I did
and for much the same reasons.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186631

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:52:41 -0600
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

> Don't fool yourself; of course it is.  It is fully under the control
> or either Mark or Mark's wholly-owned company.

"Of."  It is fully under the control /of/...

Cybe R. Wizard
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Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
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#186781

On 01/25/2016 08:52 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> You know, you caused me to question my reasons for being here and my
> participation while I am.  I have since reviewed my own posts for the
> past year and can't agree with your assessments either of my negativity
> or my bitterness (really?  bitter?  nah. see my smiley face:   <;-}  ).
>
> If /you/ were to review those posts I think you might change your
> mind.
>

I'm glad that you took some time to think on and review some posts. I'll 
do the same. Especially future posts. I'm sure I've been quite biased to 
your posts (in general) because the ones that are quite negative 
(anti-ubuntu) are quite jarring to me. So I'm sure I've been looking 
through prejudice-coloured glasses. I'll stop immediately.


> And against their /OWN STATED POLICIES/ from the early days.  Those
> changes are what I don't care for.  It just seems duplicitous and
> under-handed to me.  Were they to go back to original thinking I would
> likely go back to Ubuntu.
>
> Wayback machine their manifesto from early on and compare it with
> today's.  Do the same with the Code Of Conduct.

Hey man, I dig it; nothing comes close to Debian's Social Contract and 
The Debian Free Software Guidelines. I wish everyone (especially 
corporations) could operate using those standards.

> ??? Red Hat gives back plenty and always have, particularly to the
> kernel.  Even as a big-time server OS supplier and support seller they
> still have a free of cost OS for the public.  Yes, it's a testbed.  So
> is Ubuntu.

I may have overstated in regards to RedHat. I really did just mean 
closing off the once-great RedHat OS (free and available to all) and not 
at least leave available the iso for anyone to install and use. And just 
charge for support to those who need. Which is pretty much what they're 
hoping by bringing CentOS into their 'family'. A free RedHat clone that 
should entice more people to move to paid support.

Not sure I follow regarding ubuntu begin a testbed? They don't have an 
enterprise (paid) version and a community (free) version.

> Don't fool yourself; of course it is.  It is fully under the control or
> either Mark or Mark's wholly-owned company.  How, then, can it be other
> than what he is?  He makes the rules; he gives the orders.

I don't entirely disagree. But still not what I'm talking about. I don't 
really care about the control or the politics of the company nor the 
owner, or who's controlling or directing what. Ubuntu, the OS, just the 
OS, can be anything I want it to be. They can add whatever they want. 
I'll just remove it and use it as I want. So, until it uses a license 
restricting me from modifying it as I wish, I don't care nor do I fault 
the OS for the bullshit of its governors.

The community is still doing great things with Ubuntu 
(vagrant/docker/cloud communities). Anyone doing devops is using it. It 
(the OS) is all I care about. It's still open source, it's still free 
(libre) software. It's great, it's solid, people are doing amazing 
things with it and sharing results. I'm fully on board.

That is not to say other distros aren't doing these things. Just nowhere 
near the rate or pace that they're playing with Ubuntu.

> I agree with your hopes, I agree with your assessment of Ubu and Mint.
> I just can't support either of them because of my philosophical
> differences with their owners.  Therefore, Debian for me.

Excellent. Keep fighting the good fight.

> C'mon, how can I, a lowly lowly user, have much impact?  So far I know
> of absolutely no one who has abandoned either Ubu or Mint because of
> my diatribes.

Well, hopefully a few Minties have.

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#186792

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:42:23 -0800
stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:

> I'm glad that you took some time to think on and review some posts.
> I'll do the same. Especially future posts. I'm sure I've been quite
> biased to your posts (in general) because the ones that are quite
> negative (anti-ubuntu) are quite jarring to me. So I'm sure I've been
> looking through prejudice-coloured glasses. I'll stop immediately.

I just love it when humans can act like humans, have disagreements or
misunderstandings and still behave like adults and get along.  Thanks
for that and for your input.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186793

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:24:52 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:

>I just love it when humans can act like humans, have disagreements or
>misunderstandings and still behave like adults and get along.

  Damn...  that rules Trump out completely.  Glad to see that you are
not a supporter of that bass ackwards buffoon.

>  Thanks
>for that and for your input.

  Thanks for being one of the most diplomatic guys in this group.

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#186796

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:24:59 -0500
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

> Thanks for being one of the most diplomatic guys in this group.

I appreciate that.  

I thank my 10th grade English teacher (Eva Miller in Memphis TN,
Messick High 1966 (and hiya, Mz Miller!)) who taught me that it's
easier and much more pleasurable[1] to disassemble someone with
well-chosen words than with invective through which most folks cannot
hear the real message.

I like her methodology still.

[1] for both parties, one because it's a very fine-grained
dis-assemblage and the other because they mostly don't understand and
so don't take offense.

Cybe R. Wizard 
-- 
Viewed freely, the English language is the accretion and growth of
every dialect, race, and range of time, and is both the free and
compacted composition of all. 
	Walt Whitman

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#186819

On 01/28/2016 06:24 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> I just love it when humans can act like humans, have disagreements or
> misunderstandings and still behave like adults and get along.  Thanks
> for that and for your input.


I haven't given up on humanity just yet. Don't think I'll give up on you 
for a long while yet either. ;)

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#186820

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:13:57 -0800
stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:

> On 01/28/2016 06:24 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > I just love it when humans can act like humans, have disagreements
> > or misunderstandings and still behave like adults and get along.
> > Thanks for that and for your input.  
> 
> 
> I haven't given up on humanity just yet. Don't think I'll give up on
> you for a long while yet either. ;)
> 
That is music to my little shell-like ears.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
Registered Ubuntu User (deprecated) # 2136

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#186833

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:13:57 -0800
> stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:
>
>> On 01/28/2016 06:24 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>>> I just love it when humans can act like humans, have disagreements
>>> or misunderstandings and still behave like adults and get along.
>>> Thanks for that and for your input.
>>
>>
>> I haven't given up on humanity just yet. Don't think I'll give up on
>> you for a long while yet either. ;)
>>
> That is music to my little shell-like ears.

<https://img1.etsystatic.com/140/1/6016092/il_340x270.899310479_1zld.jpg>

;-)

-- 
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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#186837

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:46:05 -0500
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:13:57 -0800
> > stepore <linshine@here.now> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 01/28/2016 06:24 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:  
> >>> I just love it when humans can act like humans, have disagreements
> >>> or misunderstandings and still behave like adults and get along.
> >>> Thanks for that and for your input.  
> >>
> >>
> >> I haven't given up on humanity just yet. Don't think I'll give up
> >> on you for a long while yet either. ;)
> >>  
> > That is music to my little shell-like ears.  
> 
> <https://img1.etsystatic.com/140/1/6016092/il_340x270.899310479_1zld.jpg>
> 
> ;-)
> 
My high school picture!  How'd you find that?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Registered GNU/Linux user # 126326
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