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  Samba? What a freaking joke Scurvy McRicketts <scurvymcricketts@teachers.org> - 2015-07-10 19:31 -0400
    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke deep - 2015-07-10 17:59 -0600
      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-10 20:12 -0400
        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2015-07-11 03:30 +0000
          Re: Samba? What a freaking joke William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-07-11 15:06 +0100
    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-07-11 00:27 +0000
      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-10 20:33 -0400
        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-10 23:01 -0400
          Re: Samba? What a freaking joke William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-07-11 15:05 +0100
            Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-07-11 11:36 -0500
              Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-11 18:45 +0200
                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-07-11 13:50 -0500
                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-11 23:09 -0400
                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-11 23:17 -0400
                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-12 05:59 +0200
                        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-12 00:09 -0400
                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-07-12 15:49 +0000
                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-12 12:14 -0400
                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-12 19:05 +0200
                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-12 13:26 -0400
                        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-12 19:59 +0200
                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-07-12 16:56 -0500
                        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-13 00:45 +0200
                          Re: Samba? What a freaking joke JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-07-12 20:10 -0500
                            Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-13 03:52 +0200
                              Re: Samba? What a freaking joke JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-07-13 08:55 -0500
                                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-07-13 10:10 -0400
                                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-07-13 09:43 -0500
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-07-13 11:48 -0400
                                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-07-13 11:14 -0500
                                        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2015-07-13 10:43 -0700
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-07-13 11:18 -0500
                                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-13 13:38 -0400
                                        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-07-13 12:57 -0500
                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2015-07-12 10:29 -0700
                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-07-12 17:56 +0000
                        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-07-12 11:38 -0700
                          Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-07-12 19:11 +0000
                            Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-12 15:22 -0400
                              Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-07-12 19:58 +0000
                              Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <"Dan P"@djph.invalid> - 2015-07-12 20:32 +0000
                                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-07-12 22:48 +0200
                                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <"Dan P"@djph.invalid> - 2015-07-12 20:51 +0000
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-07-13 00:30 +0200
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-07-12 19:27 -0500
                                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-12 17:31 -0400
                                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.invalid> - 2015-07-12 21:32 +0000
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "jeff g." <jeff.g.group@att.net> - 2015-07-12 17:08 -0700
                              Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-07-12 22:36 +0200
                                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-12 17:41 -0400
                                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-07-13 00:35 +0200
                              Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-12 17:58 -0400
                                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-12 18:06 -0400
                                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-07-13 00:37 +0200
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-07-12 19:08 -0400
                                Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-07-13 00:37 +0200
                                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-07-12 19:30 -0400
                                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.invalid> - 2015-07-12 23:42 +0000
                                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-07-13 04:07 +0200
                            Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2015-07-12 13:08 -0700
                    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-07-12 12:52 -0500
                      Re: Samba? What a freaking joke DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-07-12 14:03 -0400
                  Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-07-12 15:54 +0000
          Re: Samba? What a freaking joke JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-07-11 14:52 -0500
        Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2015-07-11 03:32 +0000
          Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2015-07-12 02:41 +0000
    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2015-07-11 03:31 +0000
    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-07-12 09:03 -0500
    Re: Samba? What a freaking joke ceed <ceed@is.indeed.invalid> - 2015-07-13 09:26 -0400

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#177554

On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 19:26, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno conveyed the 
following to alt.os.linux.ubuntu...

> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:05:51 +0200, Aragorn
> <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> Gave us:
> 
>> and he was repeatedly being apologetic for the Israeli genocide
>> against the Palestinians in Gaza.
> 
>   Look, if you fire your missiles from a place where innocents might
> get hurt, they WILL get hurt because the missile launch site WILL get
> destroyed.
> 
>   This crap "you killed our children" needs to cease.  Stop hiding
> among innocents when you're firing your missiles into our innocents,
> you retarded bastards, and we'll stop tracking you and killing you. 
> The pussies hide among those they claim we kill, yet everyone wants to
> turn a blind eye to the target of their randomly fired bullshit
> rockets they get from IRAN.
> 
>   They are fucking lucky Israel is being nice about it...  ALL THESE
> YEARS.  And there is no "stop and we'll stop".  They bury their little
> launchers and come dig them up and fire their rockets and run like
> little pussies. The goddamned cowards should ALL die as well as the
> source of their hardware.

This is the expansion of Israel into Palestinian territory ─ with 
perpetual US and UK support ─ since the 1940s:
http://www.kadaitcha.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/palestineshrinks.jpg

This is how many casualties have been inflicted by both sides when the 
cease-fires were violated:
http://tinyurl.com/qg74pwj

These are the so-called Palestinian terrorists:
http://tinyurl.com/ndufn8h

And these are phosphorous bombs ─ i.e. chemical warfare ─ deployed by 
the Israelis against the Palestinians:
http://tinyurl.com/o69vtty

I'll say no more on this matter.  

-- 
= Aragorn =

         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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#177593

On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 17:49, Dan Purgert conveyed the following to 
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:05:58 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
>> 
>>> [...] but I am sad to say that the intellectual level of the average
>>> GNU/Linux newbie is on a serious decline.
>> 
>> Pretty sure it's mainly a symptom of our (USian here) current state of
>> education -- the whole point is creating non-thinking automatons who
>> believe the tripe that the talking heads at Fox News / MSNBC / CNN
>> tell them to believe.
>
> You wouldn't believe how much I agree with that.  In fact, I've been 
> having a heated discussion with someone like that only a few days ago.  
> The guy's a Zionist and an American Exceptionalist, and he was 
> repeatedly being apologetic for the Israeli genocide against the 
> Palestinians in Gaza.

  Genocide?

  You don't know what that word means.

[deletia]

  Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

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#177617

On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to 
alt.os.linux.ubuntu...

> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 17:49, Dan Purgert conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:05:58 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> [...] but I am sad to say that the intellectual level of the
>>>> average GNU/Linux newbie is on a serious decline.
>>> 
>>> Pretty sure it's mainly a symptom of our (USian here) current state
>>> of education -- the whole point is creating non-thinking automatons
>>> who believe the tripe that the talking heads at Fox News / MSNBC /
>>> CNN tell them to believe.
>>
>> You wouldn't believe how much I agree with that.  In fact, I've been
>> having a heated discussion with someone like that only a few days
>> ago. The guy's a Zionist and an American Exceptionalist, and he was
>> repeatedly being apologetic for the Israeli genocide against the
>> Palestinians in Gaza.
> 
>   Genocide?
> 
>   You don't know what that word means.

As the matter of fact, I do.

>   Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

Then why don't you put down that stone?

-- 
= Aragorn =

         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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#177657

On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to 
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>
>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 17:49, Dan Purgert conveyed the following to
>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:05:58 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [...] but I am sad to say that the intellectual level of the
>>>>> average GNU/Linux newbie is on a serious decline.
>>>> 
>>>> Pretty sure it's mainly a symptom of our (USian here) current state
>>>> of education -- the whole point is creating non-thinking automatons
>>>> who believe the tripe that the talking heads at Fox News / MSNBC /
>>>> CNN tell them to believe.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't believe how much I agree with that.  In fact, I've been
>>> having a heated discussion with someone like that only a few days
>>> ago. The guy's a Zionist and an American Exceptionalist, and he was
>>> repeatedly being apologetic for the Israeli genocide against the
>>> Palestinians in Gaza.
>> 
>>   Genocide?
>> 
>>   You don't know what that word means.
>
> As the matter of fact, I do.
>
>>   Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>
> Then why don't you put down that stone?
>

   I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously 
ridiculous abuse of that term.

   "Underdog morality" is bad enough, but totally distorting shit
like this is beyond the pale.

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#177668

On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to 
alt.os.linux.ubuntu...

> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>
>>>   Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>>
>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
> 
>    I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
> by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously
> ridiculous abuse of that term.

I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the Israeli, but 
of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.

You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this "Palestinian 
terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his chest, didn't you?  You 
do know what a false flag operation is, don't you?

The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more traditional 
ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation of Palestinians over 
time, so that the international community can turn a blind eye, which 
they would not be able to do if Israel decided to kill off all the 
Palestinians at once.  

But bear no mistake: a genocide is exactly what is going on there, and 
the Zionists are treating the Palestinians just as badly ─ if not worse 
in some cases ─ as Hitler treated the Jews in Nazi-Germany during World 
War II, i.e. they've dehumanized them, and they're using their Mossad-
controlled false flag operations as an excuse for continued violence and 
an apartheid against the Palestinians.

Try getting your information from something other than the corporately 
controlled mainstream news media like Fox News, CNN or MSNBC, because 
all of those corporations are under Zionist control.  Just like the US 
government for that matter.  

And no, I am not antisemitic.  There is a difference between Judaism and 
Zionism.  The former is a religion, the latter is a right-wing political 
movement which strives for ethnic purification.

Anyway, it's off-topic and I know I'm casting pearls before the swine, 
so I'll just shut up about this subject.  Discussions regarding what's 
_really_ going on here on the surface of Planet Earth are better 
conducted with more enlightened people.

-- 
= Aragorn =

         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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#177761

On 2015-07-13, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to 
> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>
>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>
>>>>   Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>>>
>>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
>> 
>>    I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
>> by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously
>> ridiculous abuse of that term.
>
> I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the Israeli, but 
> of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.
>
> You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this "Palestinian 
> terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his chest, didn't you?  You 
> do know what a false flag operation is, don't you?
>
> The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more traditional 
> ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation of Palestinians over 
> time, so that the international community can turn a blind eye, which 

   "Decimation over time"

   That's rich. Even if you take your self-serving redefinition at face
value you still have the basic numeric problem that the targeted population
is not in fact being "decimated over time". It's thriving.

[deltia]

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#177764

On 07/13/2015 09:55 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2015-07-13, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>> On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>
>>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>>
>>>>>    Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>>>>
>>>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
>>>
>>>     I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
>>> by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously
>>> ridiculous abuse of that term.
>>
>> I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the Israeli, but
>> of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.
>>
>> You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this "Palestinian
>> terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his chest, didn't you?  You
>> do know what a false flag operation is, don't you?
>>
>> The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more traditional
>> ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation of Palestinians over
>> time, so that the international community can turn a blind eye, which
>
>     "Decimation over time"
>
>     That's rich. Even if you take your self-serving redefinition at face
> value you still have the basic numeric problem that the targeted population
> is not in fact being "decimated over time". It's thriving.
>
> [deltia]
>
>


  Gaza is thriving?

-- 
Caver1

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#177768

On 2015-07-13, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 09:55 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2015-07-13, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>
>>>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
>>>>
>>>>     I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
>>>> by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously
>>>> ridiculous abuse of that term.
>>>
>>> I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the Israeli, but
>>> of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.
>>>
>>> You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this "Palestinian
>>> terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his chest, didn't you?  You
>>> do know what a false flag operation is, don't you?
>>>
>>> The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more traditional
>>> ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation of Palestinians over
>>> time, so that the international community can turn a blind eye, which
>>
>>     "Decimation over time"
>>
>>     That's rich. Even if you take your self-serving redefinition at face
>> value you still have the basic numeric problem that the targeted population
>> is not in fact being "decimated over time". It's thriving.
>>
>> [deltia]
>>
>>
>
>
>   Gaza is thriving?
>

    Compared to any population subjected to genuine genocide? Sure.

    Genocide is a very particular sort of thing. 

    Wasting resources waging a war you know you can't win and then suffering
the damage doesn't fall into that category. Neither does destroying what
resources your former occupier left behind.

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#177774

On 07/13/2015 10:43 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2015-07-13, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
>> On 07/13/2015 09:55 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2015-07-13, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
>>>>>
>>>>>      I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
>>>>> by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously
>>>>> ridiculous abuse of that term.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the Israeli, but
>>>> of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.
>>>>
>>>> You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this "Palestinian
>>>> terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his chest, didn't you?  You
>>>> do know what a false flag operation is, don't you?
>>>>
>>>> The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more traditional
>>>> ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation of Palestinians over
>>>> time, so that the international community can turn a blind eye, which
>>>
>>>      "Decimation over time"
>>>
>>>      That's rich. Even if you take your self-serving redefinition at face
>>> value you still have the basic numeric problem that the targeted population
>>> is not in fact being "decimated over time". It's thriving.
>>>
>>> [deltia]
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>    Gaza is thriving?
>>
>
>      Compared to any population subjected to genuine genocide? Sure.
>
>      Genocide is a very particular sort of thing.
>
>      Wasting resources waging a war you know you can't win and then suffering
> the damage doesn't fall into that category. Neither does destroying what
> resources your former occupier left behind.
>

Seems to me that they have no choice or hope. Isreal treats them the 
same as Hitler treated the jews except for the ovens. The Isreali gov't 
wants the Palestinians gone. The ones in Isreal have no rights.
Isreal is the only country now that fernces off a people. Ghettos?
Isreal is the only country that will have all of it's borders fenced. As 
soon as the Jordanian border fence is completed. Jordan has been 
friendly for quite awhile.
This is a problem of niether side wanting the other to live in peace or 
existing.

-- 
Caver1

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#177795

On 2015-07-13, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
> On 07/13/2015 10:43 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2015-07-13, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
>>> On 07/13/2015 09:55 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2015-07-13, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
>>>>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the Palestinians
>>>>>> by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a horrendously
>>>>>> ridiculous abuse of that term.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the Israeli, but
>>>>> of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.
>>>>>
>>>>> You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this "Palestinian
>>>>> terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his chest, didn't you?  You
>>>>> do know what a false flag operation is, don't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more traditional
>>>>> ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation of Palestinians over
>>>>> time, so that the international community can turn a blind eye, which
>>>>
>>>>      "Decimation over time"
>>>>
>>>>      That's rich. Even if you take your self-serving redefinition at face
>>>> value you still have the basic numeric problem that the targeted population
>>>> is not in fact being "decimated over time". It's thriving.
>>>>
>>>> [deltia]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Gaza is thriving?
>>>
>>
>>      Compared to any population subjected to genuine genocide? Sure.
>>
>>      Genocide is a very particular sort of thing.
>>
>>      Wasting resources waging a war you know you can't win and then suffering
>> the damage doesn't fall into that category. Neither does destroying what
>> resources your former occupier left behind.
>>
>
> Seems to me that they have no choice or hope. Isreal treats them the 
> same as Hitler treated the jews except for the ovens. The Isreali gov't 

   Great. Another Nazi.

> wants the Palestinians gone. The ones in Isreal have no rights.

   That's blatantly untrue.

[deltia]

   If you're going to abuse the term Genocide I might as well call you
spades what you are.

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#177831

On 07/13/2015 09:14 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:

>   Great. Another Nazi.

Godwin alert...time for this thread to end anywhere - seems to be a bit 
OT...

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#177782

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:43:34 -0500
JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2015-07-13, Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
> > On 07/13/2015 09:55 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> >> On 2015-07-13, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On Monday 13 Jul 2015 03:10, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
> >>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> >>>
> >>>> On 2015-07-12, Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sunday 12 Jul 2015 23:56, JEDIDIAH conveyed the following to
> >>>>> alt.os.linux.ubuntu...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>    Idiots in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then why don't you put down that stone?
> >>>>
> >>>>     I'm not the one trying to call anything done by the
> >>>> Palestinians by anyone (even other Arabs) "genocide". That's a
> >>>> horrendously ridiculous abuse of that term.
> >>>
> >>> I wasn't talking of what the Palestinians are doing to the
> >>> Israeli, but of what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians.
> >>>
> >>> You did look at those images, right?  You did see that this
> >>> "Palestinian terrorist" had a "Star of David" tattooed on his
> >>> chest, didn't you?  You do know what a false flag operation is,
> >>> don't you?
> >>>
> >>> The only difference between _this_ genocide and the more
> >>> traditional ones is that Israel is spreading out the decimation
> >>> of Palestinians over time, so that the international community
> >>> can turn a blind eye, which
> >>
> >>     "Decimation over time"
> >>
> >>     That's rich. Even if you take your self-serving redefinition
> >> at face value you still have the basic numeric problem that the
> >> targeted population is not in fact being "decimated over time".
> >> It's thriving.
> >>
> >> [deltia]

> >   Gaza is thriving?
> >
> 
>     Compared to any population subjected to genuine genocide? Sure.
> 
>     Genocide is a very particular sort of thing. 
> 
>     Wasting resources waging a war you know you can't win and then
> suffering the damage doesn't fall into that category. Neither does
> destroying what resources your former occupier left behind.

+1 to all of that.

Gaza (along with the Golan Heights and, if Israel so chooses, the West
Bank (Egypt was lucky to get Sinai back)) is, "spoils of war," and those
who can't abide by that either got out or should.  In either case,
attacking by rocket from civilian-heavy locations is a sure sign of
cowards at the very best.

What's that about hiding behind a woman's skirts?  How much more does
it apply to those who hide behind children and hospitals?  That's the Palestinians in a nut's hell.

It's too bad for a lot of people, but anything else is just more sour
grapes from aggressors who became losers over and over again, even when
they greatly out-manned and out-gunned their opponent.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War#Armies_and_weapons>


This, although from a later conflict, is enlightening:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Response_in_the_Soviet_Union>

Cybe R. Wizard -thinks they should all go join their kin in Jordan
-- 
Nice computers don't go down.
	Larry Niven, Steven Barnes
		"The Barsoom Project"

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#177826

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:18:22 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:

>  In either case,
>attacking by rocket from civilian-heavy locations is a sure sign of
>cowards at the very best.

  They are usually misled children or young adults, being "led" by pure
pussified cowards.

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#177841

On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 13:38:53 -0400
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:18:22 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> Gave us:
> 
> >  In either case,
> >attacking by rocket from civilian-heavy locations is a sure sign of
> >cowards at the very best.
> 
>   They are usually misled children or young adults, being "led" by
> pure pussified cowards.

In that case, it is still difficult to differentiate the trigger from
the finger.  

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Nice computers don't go down.
	Larry Niven, Steven Barnes
		"The Barsoom Project"

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#177549

On 07/12/2015 08:49 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:

> Do you (or, well anyone really) have any suggestions on resources
> (books / web tutorials / etc.) that I can use in attempts at bettering
> myself with "Linux in general"?

I've not seen anything posted in response your question.  If that is the 
case, here are some good links for info:

http://tldp.org/guides.html
http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
http://smxi.org/site/about.htm
<https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2-introduction-5386#.VFeuafE2dqN>

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#177553

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:29:47 -0700, jeff g. wrote:

> On 07/12/2015 08:49 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
> 
>> Do you (or, well anyone really) have any suggestions on resources
>> (books / web tutorials / etc.) that I can use in attempts at bettering
>> myself with "Linux in general"?
> 
> I've not seen anything posted in response your question.  If that is the
> case, here are some good links for info:
> 
> http://tldp.org/guides.html http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
> http://smxi.org/site/about.htm
> <https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2-
introduction-5386#.VFeuafE2dqN>

Thanks :)

These (and the other links Aragorn sent) should give me some reading 
material for a while.

Any good books (dead-tree or otherwise) that I should consider having 
around?  I know like K&R is (was?) the de-facto standard for C ... is 
there anything similar for learning the workings of linux, at least from 
a "user" perspective?  

I'm not that exceptional at programming, and I think any books / 
resources on OS design (etc) would sail clear past my capacity to 
understand... 

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#177558

On 2015-07-12, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:29:47 -0700, jeff g. wrote:
>
>> On 07/12/2015 08:49 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you (or, well anyone really) have any suggestions on resources
>>> (books / web tutorials / etc.) that I can use in attempts at bettering
>>> myself with "Linux in general"?
>> 
>> I've not seen anything posted in response your question.  If that is the
>> case, here are some good links for info:
>> 
>> http://tldp.org/guides.html http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
>> http://smxi.org/site/about.htm
>> <https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-2-
> introduction-5386#.VFeuafE2dqN>
>
> Thanks :)
>
> These (and the other links Aragorn sent) should give me some reading 
> material for a while.
>
> Any good books (dead-tree or otherwise) that I should consider having 
> around?  I know like K&R is (was?) the de-facto standard for C ... is 
> there anything similar for learning the workings of linux, at least from 
> a "user" perspective?  
>
> I'm not that exceptional at programming, and I think any books / 
> resources on OS design (etc) would sail clear past my capacity to 
> understand... 

I have a few suggestions as well. Things I still do now and have done
since I started with Linux that I feel have helped me a lot. 

1. Linux in a Nutshell. Despite the title this is an absolutely huge
book. And if I had to guess I'd say a good half or more of it are
basically man pages printed on paper. It's kind of like reading a
dictionary. There is no story, no beginning, no end. Like reading a
dictionary exposes you to words and their meaning, reading this book
will expose you to commands and their usage. 

If you just read one command per day, and sat down in front of a Linux
terminal and tried using that command on your system you'd perhaps know
30 commands in one month that you don't know today. If you know a
command already, look at the various other arguments and try them out.
I'd be willing to bet than in the first two days you'd find a lot of
value in this exercise. 

2. Learn Vim or Emacs and stick to it like white on rice. Develop muscle
memory for the editor. Learn to be efficient with it. Give up your
current word processor and no matter how painful and slow it is at the
start stick with it. If something gets you angry for lack of not knowing
how to do it, explore that, write down how to do what you need and stick
it right in front of your computer. Do that until you no longer read the
written note. 

3. Change your thinking. Leave behind what you know from other operating
systems and start thinking differently. Example. In my .vimrc conf file
there is a setting in a line that defines the color scheme. I know that
I prefer the color scheme delek previously I'm sure if I've updated it
or not. 

Now I could open the file, look for that setting and or change it.
That's what we know from other operating systems. But Linux is more
powerful than that. 

$ grep -i color .vimrc
colorscheme delek

Ah, so I see the wrong color is indeed set in the file. 

$ sed -i 's/delek/elflord/g' .vimrc
$ grep -i color .vimrc
colorscheme elflord

Yesterday Jonathan told me I missed a section of code in my script for
linfo. Said that I need to change three locations. The script is over
500 lines of code now. So I can do two things here. 

1. Open the script in Vim and search for a string with / and press n to
skip to the next found string containing my search. I can press yy over
the first correct line of code and when I get the second found string of
bad code, I just press Vp. Capital V puts me in Visual Mode and
highlights the whole line in place and p pastes the code copied over the
selected line. 

2. I might just want to see where these problem lines are. 

$ grep -in type scripts/linfo.sh

Here I'll see each line with the found string plus its line number. 

So this might be an argument you're not familiar with. And one that you
might find by browsing commands you commonly use but looking for
arguments you might not be familiar with already. 

The argument -n shows me the line number. And since I have vim setup to
show line numbers always, this helps me to more easily navigate. I open
the file in Vim and type 368gg. 368 is the first line number I found
with grep and gg tells Vim to go to that line. 

These are examples are getting rid of old thinking and thinking
differently. I might not want to search and replace everything. I could
change something I might not want to change. Using search pattern inside
Vim or grep -in for ignore case, show line number, to show me the areas
I might want to focus on. 

This faster approach to working are the products of reading about
commands, and learning an editor. As you learn Linux I think knowing an
editor well and knowing some basic commands well will go a long way to
making the experience great. 

I also think it is a good idea to go through some kind of admin
training. That way you have a structured process of learning the basics
from a-z. And of course as you might guess I think learning bash and
shell scripting are good ideas. These will help you to own your Linux
operating system. You'll be able to create the things you decide would
make Linux better for you. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#177562

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:38:05 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:

> On 2015-07-12, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:29:47 -0700, jeff g. wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/12/2015 08:49 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do you (or, well anyone really) have any suggestions on resources
>>>> (books / web tutorials / etc.) that I can use in attempts at
>>>> bettering myself with "Linux in general"?
>>> 
>>> I've not seen anything posted in response your question.  If that is
>>> the case, here are some good links for info:
>>> 
>>> http://tldp.org/guides.html http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
>>> http://smxi.org/site/about.htm
>>> <https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-
lfs101x-2-
>> introduction-5386#.VFeuafE2dqN>
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> These (and the other links Aragorn sent) should give me some reading
>> material for a while.
>>
>> Any good books (dead-tree or otherwise) that I should consider having
>> around?  I know like K&R is (was?) the de-facto standard for C ... is
>> there anything similar for learning the workings of linux, at least
>> from a "user" perspective?
>>
>> I'm not that exceptional at programming, and I think any books /
>> resources on OS design (etc) would sail clear past my capacity to
>> understand...
> 
> I have a few suggestions as well. Things I still do now and have done
> since I started with Linux that I feel have helped me a lot.
> 
> 1. Linux in a Nutshell. Despite the title this is an absolutely huge
> book. And if I had to guess I'd say a good half or more of it are
> basically man pages printed on paper. It's kind of like reading a
> dictionary. There is no story, no beginning, no end. Like reading a
> dictionary exposes you to words and their meaning, reading this book
> will expose you to commands and their usage.

This one, right?

"Linux in a Nutshell, 6th Edition" 
_Dead Tree Edition_
Print: 09/2009
ISBN: 978-0-596-15448-6 | ISBN 10: 0-596-15448-8

_E-Book_
Print: 09/2009
ISBN:     978-0-596-80611-8 | ISBN 10: 0-596-80611-6


> 2. Learn Vim or Emacs and stick to it like white on rice. Develop muscle
> memory for the editor. Learn to be efficient with it. Give up your
> current word processor and no matter how painful and slow it is at the
> start stick with it. If something gets you angry for lack of not knowing
> how to do it, explore that, write down how to do what you need and stick
> it right in front of your computer. Do that until you no longer read the
> written note.

I'm already using vi(m) as my primary editor (could never get the hang of 
emacs -- I think mostly it's a product of trying to learn linux in 
general, and emacs is pretty complex in its own right).  There are times 
where I have had to fall back to gedit, because I can't figure something 
out "quickly" ... but that's happening less and less as time goes on.

Still don't have muscle memory for everything, but at least I can do most 
of the basic tasks (move around, insert/replace/delete, copy/paste).

> [...]
> 
>  
> I also think it is a good idea to go through some kind of admin
> training. That way you have a structured process of learning the basics
> from a-z. And of course as you might guess I think learning bash and
> shell scripting are good ideas. These will help you to own your Linux
> operating system. You'll be able to create the things you decide would
> make Linux better for you.

TBH, I've never been good with "structured learning" as much as dealing 
with things as they come up -- "Okay, so now I fixed problem ABC, and 
onto problem XYZ".  Yeah, it probably means that code I write is somewhat 
(ok, a lot) more spaghetti than it should be ... 

I do have a shell scripting book on my shelf. Tends to be more of a 
reference book than it should be (i.e. I SHOULD actually go through and 
do the exercises / lessons as written).


In a somewhat related vein - is there a "How to use slrn for dummies" 
book/tutorial out there?  Been using Pan for however long, but I'm 
finding as I'm getting more accustomed to the terminal, I like having 
command-line options alongside my graphical go-tos... 

Thanks!

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#177565

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:11:22 +0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:38:05 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-07-12, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:29:47 -0700, jeff g. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/12/2015 08:49 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Do you (or, well anyone really) have any suggestions on resources
>>>>> (books / web tutorials / etc.) that I can use in attempts at
>>>>> bettering myself with "Linux in general"?
>>>> 
>>>> I've not seen anything posted in response your question.  If that is
>>>> the case, here are some good links for info:
>>>> 
>>>> http://tldp.org/guides.html http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
>>>> http://smxi.org/site/about.htm
>>>> <https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-
> lfs101x-2-
>>> introduction-5386#.VFeuafE2dqN>
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> These (and the other links Aragorn sent) should give me some reading
>>> material for a while.
>>>
>>> Any good books (dead-tree or otherwise) that I should consider having
>>> around?  I know like K&R is (was?) the de-facto standard for C ... is
>>> there anything similar for learning the workings of linux, at least
>>> from a "user" perspective?
>>>
>>> I'm not that exceptional at programming, and I think any books /
>>> resources on OS design (etc) would sail clear past my capacity to
>>> understand...
>> 
>> I have a few suggestions as well. Things I still do now and have done
>> since I started with Linux that I feel have helped me a lot.
>> 
>> 1. Linux in a Nutshell. Despite the title this is an absolutely huge
>> book. And if I had to guess I'd say a good half or more of it are
>> basically man pages printed on paper. It's kind of like reading a
>> dictionary. There is no story, no beginning, no end. Like reading a
>> dictionary exposes you to words and their meaning, reading this book
>> will expose you to commands and their usage.
> 
> This one, right?
> 
> "Linux in a Nutshell, 6th Edition" 
> _Dead Tree Edition_
> Print: 09/2009
> ISBN: 978-0-596-15448-6 | ISBN 10: 0-596-15448-8
> 
> _E-Book_
> Print: 09/2009
> ISBN:     978-0-596-80611-8 | ISBN 10: 0-596-80611-6
> 
> 
>> 2. Learn Vim or Emacs and stick to it like white on rice. Develop muscle
>> memory for the editor. Learn to be efficient with it. Give up your
>> current word processor and no matter how painful and slow it is at the
>> start stick with it. If something gets you angry for lack of not knowing
>> how to do it, explore that, write down how to do what you need and stick
>> it right in front of your computer. Do that until you no longer read the
>> written note.
> 
> I'm already using vi(m) as my primary editor (could never get the hang of 
> emacs -- I think mostly it's a product of trying to learn linux in 
> general, and emacs is pretty complex in its own right).  There are times 
> where I have had to fall back to gedit, because I can't figure something 
> out "quickly" ... but that's happening less and less as time goes on.
> 
> Still don't have muscle memory for everything, but at least I can do most 
> of the basic tasks (move around, insert/replace/delete, copy/paste).
> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>  
>> I also think it is a good idea to go through some kind of admin
>> training. That way you have a structured process of learning the basics
>> from a-z. And of course as you might guess I think learning bash and
>> shell scripting are good ideas. These will help you to own your Linux
>> operating system. You'll be able to create the things you decide would
>> make Linux better for you.
> 
> TBH, I've never been good with "structured learning" as much as dealing 
> with things as they come up -- "Okay, so now I fixed problem ABC, and 
> onto problem XYZ".  Yeah, it probably means that code I write is somewhat 
> (ok, a lot) more spaghetti than it should be ... 
> 
> I do have a shell scripting book on my shelf. Tends to be more of a 
> reference book than it should be (i.e. I SHOULD actually go through and 
> do the exercises / lessons as written).
> 
> 
> In a somewhat related vein - is there a "How to use slrn for dummies" 
> book/tutorial out there?  Been using Pan for however long, but I'm 
> finding as I'm getting more accustomed to the terminal, I like having 
> command-line options alongside my graphical go-tos... 
> 
> Thanks!

Unless you are interested in becoming a system admin, and that's
great, you are going backwards in time.
For an end user the CLI is living on borrowed time.

And please don't misunderstand, I 100 percent support the CLI and
hope it never goes away and in that context Linux rules the roost,
but unless you are interested in scripting and so forth, devote your
cycles towards moving forward in time by like a decade or so.

SLRN is a joke these days.
Of course the Linux crowd uses it as some kind of badge of "success"
when your User-Agent field says slrn, but that's about it.

Change a color.
Restart the program.
Try a different color.
Restart the program.
Change an option.
restart the program.
etc.

It was great in it's day, but time has moved forward.
The Model T was great in it's day as well.

However, like I said, if you want to learn scripting and so forth,
learn SLANG and you will become an slrn expert.

My guess is you will spend a week trying to figure out how to create
a .jnewsrc and a proper NNTP environment variable because chances are
you don't have your own registered domain.

 BTW USENET is on life support so I would devote my time to learning
shell scripting.
Very useful indeed.

The books the others suggested are a great start.

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#177571

On 2015-07-12, Tomas, published this proof of the Infinite Monkey Theorem:

SNIP
>
> SLRN is a joke these days.
> Of course the Linux crowd uses it as some kind of badge of "success"
> when your User-Agent field says slrn, but that's about it.
>

slrn is easiest to read.
http://i.imgur.com/vslm3V6.png?1

>
> It was great in it's day, but time has moved forward.
> The Model T was great in it's day as well.
>
> However, like I said, if you want to learn scripting and so forth,
> learn SLANG and you will become an slrn expert.
>
> My guess is you will spend a week trying to figure out how to create
> a .jnewsrc and a proper NNTP environment variable because chances are
> you don't have your own registered domain.
>

slrn --create
export NNTPSERVER=news.eternal-september.org in .bashrc
set generate_message_id 0 in slrnrc for hostname set by ES
set user details, news server, editor, browser, yada yada in slrnrc.
Not real hard.

when running slrn, use ? to learn more.

-- 
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖

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